Finally...a man who stands up and says what a lot of people really think

[Hammer]

Hammer, go and live in any other country outside of western europe and then repeat what you just said.

  I have done Mex, including USA. Our emergency cover is comparably good. From thereon it goes downhill. I wasn't really comparing our system to that of Third World countries, but then again, what proportion of their tax revenue is allocated to health care !

[leefer]

The problem with this country is that it is filled with dinosaurs...me dad voted labour blah blah blah...this government has fucked the working man,Brown..we didnt vote him in...Mandleson is poncing around like fucking Danny La Rue.........theres no incentive in this country no more...the more you earn the more they take...so the incentive really is not to work.

[Bogus Dave]

Oh really ! Wasn't it Middle America that shifted to the Left ? Hence the appointment of Obama.

I mean middle america in a geographical, rather than a social sense

[Hammer]

Shit me ! Does that mean you think the USA is left wing now ? Or for that matter New Labour is too !!!?

       
 
 Something of a naive comment I feel. It is Middle Britain or Middle America which determines the future political administration. Many Americans may be conservative in their views with regard to some issues but are susceptible towards taking a socialist view on other matters. Perhaps you've been eating some dodgy ants.

[Talk Talk]

If we got rid of the NHS chaos would follow.

Excuse my lack of knowledge but what does anyone who dislikes the NHS see as a realistic (emphasis on realistic) alternative because I can't think of one.

Hmmm. What do you think it was like before the NHS? Did people die in the streets in 1946? Or 1930? Or 1910? No they didn't. There were charities and friendly societies and conscientious doctors and hospitals who honourably gave their time and service to help the disadvantaged. It is completely delusional to think that the NHS as a system is in any way a success. The health professionals involved, well yes of course, that is their calling and they do the best they can. The bureaucracy, the cost, the waste and the general shiteness of the whole overbloated edifice? Definitely not.

For a well informed opinion on the state of US medicine:



For a parallel of the NHS as it is in Canada (yes, they have fucked up their healthcare just as we have) see the following. Swap Canada/1961 for UK/1947 and you have the same thing:

[Talk Talk]

Oh and with reference to the second video and proof that our lords and masters don't use the shit that they have created: http://order-order.com/2007/03/08/gordons-grin/

There are countless other examples of ministers and MPs and so on using private services in preference to the public horrors we have to endure. Blair sending his children to private schools comes to mind. Fucking hypocritical cunts.

[Bogus Dave]

Hmmm. What do you think it was like before the NHS? Did people die in the streets in 1946? Or 1930? Or 1910? No they didn't.

Well yes they fucking did. Its lovelly and iddylic to think that friendly Mr Jones would donate time and money to treat the poor and the sick, and whilst it did happen nowhere near to the extent that would make it a viable form of healthcare. The charity hospitals ( i forget their correct name) were dumps. To think people in Britain were living in slums and dying of cholera less than 100 years ago is awful - and thanks to the NHS, and the government taking a pro-active role in their health we can be proud to have had one of the greatest public health systems in the world. I'm sure theirs better example out there at the moment, but ours was the first in the civilised world - anyone who considers scrapping it needs a long hard look at themselves.

[Bogus Dave]

Oh and with reference to the second video and proof that our lords and masters don't use the shit that they have created: http://order-order.com/2007/03/08/gordons-grin/

There are countless other examples of ministers and MPs and so on using private services in preference to the public horrors we have to endure. Blair sending his children to private schools comes to mind. Fucking hypocritical cunts.

Do you think anyone would use a public school if they had the money? Do you think people would use the NHS if they could afford private?

Fucking hell. Get a grip. I'm quite glad your not a doctor - you'd go along with the NHS and then scribble on peoples prescriptions "to get back at the man".

[Talk Talk]

Well yes they fucking did. Its lovelly and iddylic to think that friendly Mr Jones would donate time and money to treat the poor and the sick, and whilst it did happen nowhere near to the extent that would make it a viable form of healthcare. The charity hospitals ( i forget their correct name) were dumps. To think people in Britain were living in slums and dying of cholera less than 100 years ago is awful - and thanks to the NHS, and the government taking a pro-active role in their health we can be proud to have had one of the greatest public health systems in the world. I'm sure theirs better example out there at the moment, but ours was the first in the civilised world - anyone who considers scrapping it needs a long hard look at themselves.

I would scrap it tomorrow, you patronising cunt.

[Talk Talk]

Do you think anyone would use a public school if they had the money? Do you think people would use the NHS if they could afford private?

Fucking hell. Get a grip. I'm quite glad your not a doctor - you'd go along with the NHS and then scribble on peoples prescriptions "to get back at the man".

I'm glad I'm not a doctor.

Too right I would go completely private if I could afford it.

Hey, I've got a better idea. Let's all go private and scrap the NHS 

[Bogus Dave]

Why?

What if you fell on hard times and couldn't afford private treatment. Or worse - your kids couldn't afford private treatment? Then fell sick, needing treatment? Why should they not be entitled to free treatment?

[Rich Pullen]

Hmmm. What do you think it was like before the NHS? Did people die in the streets in 1946? Or 1930? Or 1910? No they didn't.

...and you call Dave a patronising cunt!

I wasn't on the streets in 1910 were you?

I maybe only 25 years old blah blah blah but I've experienced of the NHS enough (good and bad) to know that it's not worth scrapping.

[Talk Talk]

Why?

What if you fell on hard times and couldn't afford private treatment. Or worse - your kids couldn't afford private treatment? Then fell sick, needing treatment? Why should they not be entitled to free treatment?

The NHS is not "free", unless you don't work, it costs those who work around 11% of their gross income and their employer 12.8% (unemployment is paid from this as well to be fair).

Each year the NHS runs on a budget of £98,600,000,000 (that's £98.6 BILLION) or approx £2000 per year for every man woman and child in the UK. as an example Bupa cover for a family of three is around £160 per month or £1920 a year. That's three time cheaper (NHS costs for a family of three people would be £6000 per year or £500 a month for a family of three)

Very well put.

If I could save the equivalent of £340 a month by not paying the fat pig that is the NHS I would happily donate £160 to a medical charity to look after the disadvantaged (or a family of three for a year). I would still be £180 a month better off. I am sure that a lot of other employed people would feel the same way.

Why do you assume that the status quo is the best way to do things? It obviously isn't - there are alternatives.

[Bogus Dave]

I admire your faith in mankind Talk Talk, i really do. But Human beings do not tend to work like that.

[Don Rogers Shop]

I hope the cunt who is moaning ends up bankrupt and has to rely on the nhs.