F1 09/10 Thread

[iffy]

Virgin Racing launched today (bought the Manor GP team)
http://www.virginracing.com/

[Gelbfüßler]

It's a shame they haven't got Anthony Davidson and Takuma Sato as their drivers, I think the team name would have suited them.

[Ben Wah Balls]

I really hope Schumacher gets no points next year. Hopefully people will see how overrated he really is,  the cheat has so little talent compared to someone like Hamilton.

[DV]

I really hope Schumacher gets no points next year. Hopefully people will see how overrated he really is,  the cheat has so little talent compared to someone like Hamilton.

That probably tops the list of stupid things you've posted

[Matchworn Shirts]

I really hope Schumacher gets no points next year. Hopefully people will see how overrated he really is,  the cheat has so little talent compared to someone like Hamilton.

[Ben Wah Balls]

That probably tops the list of stupid things you've posted

I haven't posted anything stupid. You would have to be completely retarded to deny Schumacher was overrated, he won all his championships in great cars, he cheated so frequently and in such ridiculous ways that there's no doubt that anyone doing the same thing now would receive a lifetime ban, on more than one occasion. I mean he won one championship by ramming someone off the road and tried to do the same again, he managed to get away with serving a 10 second penalty after the race had fucking finished and got away with it. Add that to the blocking people in qualifying and the insane amount of team orders he needed to win titles and you'll see his titles were not won by driving skill.

I would say anyone who thinks Schumacher has even a modicum of Hamilton's talent has no idea what they're talking about. The gulf in talent is huge. Hamilton came into F1 and was immediately winning races and managed to win races last year even in a car less competitive than Schumacher had at any point in his career. It's an incredible shame that he's managed to trick the public into believing he's one of the all time greats.

[Batch]

I haven't posted anything stupid. You would have to be completely retarded to deny Schumacher was overrated, he won all his championships in great cars, he cheated so frequently and in such ridiculous ways that there's no doubt that anyone doing the same thing now would receive a lifetime ban, on more than one occasion. I mean he won one championship by ramming someone off the road and tried to do the same again, he managed to get away with serving a 10 second penalty after the race had fucking finished and got away with it. Add that to the blocking people in qualifying and the insane amount of team orders he needed to win titles and you'll see his titles were not won by driving skill.

I would say anyone who thinks Schumacher has even a modicum of Hamilton's talent has no idea what they're talking about. The gulf in talent is huge. Hamilton came into F1 and was immediately winning races and managed to win races last year even in a car less competitive than Schumacher had at any point in his career. It's an incredible shame that he's managed to trick the public into believing he's one of the all time greats.

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[Ben Wah Balls]

Reread my post Batch, as it may educate you and it's far from stupid. He has to be the most overrated sportsman in history. I watched formula one from the start of Schumacher's career to the end and it makes me sick the amount of undeserved praise he gets, there are many idiots who genuinely think he is the best of all time and they just don't have a clue. Fucking Eddie Irvine almost won the championship in 1999 after Schumacher broke his leg, the car was that good! Irvine was one of the worst drivers in F1 at the time. You could put any driver currently in F1 as the number one driver in Schumacher's championship winning cars and they'd win titles too, they wouldn't even have to cheat. Button has shown how much difference the right car can make, from 18th to 1st in one season.

[Barry Scott]

I haven't posted anything stupid. You would have to be completely retarded to deny Schumacher was overrated, he won all his championships in great cars, he cheated so frequently and in such ridiculous ways that there's no doubt that anyone doing the same thing now would receive a lifetime ban, on more than one occasion. I mean he won one championship by ramming someone off the road and tried to do the same again, he managed to get away with serving a 10 second penalty after the race had fucking finished and got away with it. Add that to the blocking people in qualifying and the insane amount of team orders he needed to win titles and you'll see his titles were not won by driving skill.

I would say anyone who thinks Schumacher has even a modicum of Hamilton's talent has no idea what they're talking about. The gulf in talent is huge. Hamilton came into F1 and was immediately winning races and managed to win races last year even in a car less competitive than Schumacher had at any point in his career. It's an incredible shame that he's managed to trick the public into believing he's one of the all time greats.

That just sounds like a load of very bitter Schumacher hatred. You don't win 7 world titles with luck, team orders and bad sportsmanship. If you had watched over the last decade, with an unbiased view, you'd see not until his last few titles was the Ferrari the best car on the grid. Oh and in both of Hamilton's first 2 years the McLaren was the best car on the grid and was a million times better than the Ferrari of Schumacher's first few titles for them. And by quite a huge margin in my opinion.

You only have to look at the distance Schumacher often put between himself and his team mates to see that he was an incredible driver. Clearly you hate the bloke, so each to their own and all that.

[herthab]

No one knows what they're talking about apart from BWB (This goes for all topics, not just F1.)

Just because the majority of people think he's talking out of his arse and is an opinionated bore doesn't mean he's wrong.

Although he clearly is.

[Batch]

Reread my post Batch, as it may educate you and it's far from stupid.

Nope it hasn't. All it has done is reaffirm Schmi did everything it took to win the WDC. That's what world class performers do.

If you want to rant about overrated drivers maybe Alonso would be a good start, or David Coulthard or Damon Hill;)

[Gelbfüßler]

Describing Michael Schumacher as an all-time great is similar to describing Diego Maradonna as an all-time great. No-one really likes either of them, they have both cheated on several occasions for personal gain, but both had undoubted levels natural talent of which very few have ever possessed.

He won almost half of the F1 World Championships he entered, and didn't have the benefit of starting his career in the best car on the grid. He almost won it in '97 and would've probably won it in '99 had he not bust his leg up.

[Gelbfüßler]

Reread my post Batch, as it may educate you and it's far from stupid. He has to be the most overrated sportsman in history. I watched formula one from the start of Schumacher's career to the end and it makes me sick the amount of undeserved praise he gets, there are many idiots who genuinely think he is the best of all time and they just don't have a clue. Fucking Eddie Irvine almost won the championship in 1999 after Schumacher broke his leg, the car was that good! Irvine was one of the worst drivers in F1 at the time. You could put any driver currently in F1 as the number one driver in Schumacher's championship winning cars and they'd win titles too, they wouldn't even have to cheat. Button has shown how much difference the right car can make, from 18th to 1st in one season.

Schumacher was a big factor in his cars being so good, or does that not count?

[Batch]

Describing Michael Schumacher as an all-time great is similar to describing Diego Maradonna as an all-time great. No-one really likes either of them, they have both cheated on several occasions for personal gain, but both had undoubted levels natural talent of which very few have ever possessed.

That's a great analogy. I have to confess I dislike Schumacher and his smug German face. But still recognise his talent.

As for the crashing to win the WDC, even the likes of Senna and Prost were not above such skulduggery.

[Samdy Gray]

I see no-one's mentioned that Kimi's gone to World Rally Championship yet. The Fin's are usually good rally drivers so it'll be interesting to see how he gets on.

WRC could be a bit tasty in years to come if Rossi finally decides to make the switch from MotoGP to WRC full time as well.