F1 09/10 Thread

[Ben Wah Balls]

That just sounds like a load of very bitter Schumacher hatred. You don't win 7 world titles with luck, team orders and bad sportsmanship. If you had watched over the last decade, with an unbiased view, you'd see not until his last few titles was the Ferrari the best car on the grid. Oh and in both of Hamilton's first 2 years the McLaren was the best car on the grid and was a million times better than the Ferrari of Schumacher's first few titles for them. And by quite a huge margin in my opinion.

You only have to look at the distance Schumacher often put between himself and his team mates to see that he was an incredible driver. Clearly you hate the bloke, so each to their own and all that.

Barry, sorry but the ferrari was a great car every single year Schumacher won a championship in it and the bit I bolded is completely untrue - surely you don't actually believe that. By far the most dominant car in F1 history was the 2002 ferrari which was so much better than any other car that no driver from any other team had the slightest chance of winning the title whoever was driving the ferrari. The 2000 ferrari was  the best car, the 2001 ferrari was the best car, the 2002 ferrari was the best car by far, the 2003 ferrari was the best car, the 2004 ferrari, best car again by a huge distance. In contrast, the McClaren wasn't even the best car in either 2007 or 2008, especially 2008 - Heikki is a far better driver than Irvine ever was but only finished 7th in the same car.

It's actually very misleading to look at the distance between Schumacher and his team mates too since every one of his cars was built for him and developed with him and not for his team-mates, who often had very little testing time. It's also well documented that Ferrari used more team orders than any other team so his team-mates weren't even allowed to finish ahead of him even when they were faster but you should consider that in many of his title years his team-mates did finish second even with this huge disadvantage and even though they were poor drivers. Since his debut season he has never had a half-decent team-mate. Irvine, Barrichello, Verstappen, and Herbert - all shit drivers. In 1991 he scored just 4 points in the time Piquet scored 12, in 1992 he had similar results to Brundle who had never won a race.

[Ben Wah Balls]

Nope it hasn't. All it has done is reaffirm Schmi did everything it took to win the WDC. That's what world class performers do.

If you want to rant about overrated drivers maybe Alonso would be a good start, or David Coulthard or Damon Hill;)

World class performers don't need to cheat and should be punished when they do. Formula One was so corrupt during Schumachers career, you can bet if another driver had attempted some of the same things the punishments would have been infinitely more severe. Alonso is definitely better than Schumacher, although not up there with Hamilton. Hill was actually very underrated, it's an incredible achievement to only not win in an arrows due to a problem on the final 2 laps when the car was the second worse car on the grid at the time and his team-mate qualified 19th. He was the real champion in 1994 also. Coulthard wasn't that great but was never rated that high anyway.

[Batch]

Alonso is definitely better than Schumacher, although not up there with Hamilton.

  Now I'm sure you are taking the piss. Nice one, you got me hook line and sinker!

[Ben Wah Balls]

Can you explain to me your reasoning for thinking Alonso is overrated? He has consistently outperformed his team-mates with the exception of Hamilton who is the best driver of all time and he has had better team-mates than Schumacher ever did. He's won two world championships without having a car as dominant as Schumacher had. It's pretty obvious if you put him in a good car he will win races and for sure if he'd had the same car as Schumacher and the same status within the team and support with team orders he would have won at least 7 world championships

[DMR]

I see no-one's mentioned that Kimi's gone to World Rally Championship yet.

I have a hunch it's because no one gives a fuck, the useless Finnish cunt

[pumbaa]

Can you explain to me your reasoning for thinking Alonso is overrated? He has consistently outperformed his team-mates with the exception of Hamilton who is the best driver of all time and he has had better team-mates than Schumacher ever did. He's won two world championships without having a car as dominant as Schumacher had. It's pretty obvious if you put him in a good car he will win races and for sure if he'd had the same car as Schumacher and the same status within the team and support with team orders he would have won at least 7 world championships

BWB. Please stop. Hamilton's good, but after 3 seasons its WAY too early to make such ridiculous claims. I'm no Schumacher fan, but recognise his achievements in the sport, despite some of his (and his teams) methods. To say he is overrated smacks of clear hatred and a lack of objectivity.

Still, might make next season more interesting. At least my wife will have somebody to shout CUNT at now Ronaldo has moved to Real Madrid......

[tans]

I have a hunch it's because no one gives a fuck, the useless Finnish cunt

[Ben Wah Balls]

BWB. Please stop. Hamilton's good, but after 3 seasons its WAY too early to make such ridiculous claims. I'm no Schumacher fan, but recognise his achievements in the sport, despite some of his (and his teams) methods. To say he is overrated smacks of clear hatred and a lack of objectivity.

Still, might make next season more interesting. At least my wife will have somebody to shout CUNT at now Ronaldo has moved to Real Madrid......

To say he's overrated is simply being realistic - of course he is. It's the nature of formula one, any driver who had had such good cars and preferential treatment for so many years would be. Are you seriously saying you don't think he's overrated? Ferrari's budget dwarfed the other teams in the early 2000s, they would have won championships with any driver as I already said.

Hamilton's start in Formula One has been without doubt more impressive than anyone else in the history of the sport. To get so close to the title in his first season without even having the best car is just insane. Then he made Heikki look average in his next two seasons. Winning the title when his team-mate, who is a very good driver and finished above his team-mate the season before, only managed seventh is incredibly impressive. Then last season in a terrible car he was still winning races and still finished 5th in a car that was one of the worst on the grid for most of the season.

For me, even in 3 seasons he has demonstrated so much talent that I believe he is the best of all time, Senna is the only real competition, Schumacher is not even close.

[Samdy Gray]

Christ, BWB. You can't half spout some shit about a subject when you're blinded by sheer love of one individual (in the case of Crouch) or the dislike of another (Schumacher in this case).

[DV]

I haven't posted anything stupid.

Yes you have, lots of times and thats just in this thread.

[Ben Wah Balls]

Yes you have, lots of times and thats just in this thread.

No I haven't but you're too ignorant to know any better.

[DV]

You have. End of discussion.

[Simon Pieman]

I agree with BWB

[Ben Wah Balls]

Christ, BWB. You can't half spout some shit about a subject when you're blinded by sheer love of one individual (in the case of Crouch) or the dislike of another (Schumacher in this case).

Well I was right about Crouch and I'm right about this. Crouch went on to score 18 goals in 35 games for England and even finish second top scorer in the champions league one year, as well as continuing to score a goal every 3 games in the premiership. He could hardly have proved my point any more emphatically really could he? That must have come as a shock to the many people who steadfastly maintained he was crap and one of the worst players ever to play in the premiership - I suppose in their eyes it was all luck? How crazy of me to argue that he was actually a good player, must have been a wind up. Sadly the same people probably still won't accept they were wrong but you would have more chance of getting a blowjob from the pope than talking sense in to them anyway.

You have. End of discussion.

No I haven't but what would you know? 17,000 posts and I can't remember one worth reading.

I don't care whether anyone agrees me me that Hamilton is better than Schumacher, I'm sure he'll prove it given time anyway but surely we can all agree that Schumacher is over-rated? I really don't know how anyone can argue with that if they've paid any attention to the sport at all in the last two decades.

[Don Rogers Shop]

Well I was right about Crouch and I'm right about this. Crouch went on to score 18 goals in 35 games for England and even finish second top scorer in the champions league one year, as well as continuing to score a goal every 3 games in the premiership. He could hardly have proved my point any more emphatically really could he? That must have come as a shock to the many people who steadfastly maintained he was crap and one of the worst players ever to play in the premiership - I suppose in their eyes it was all luck? How crazy of me to argue that he was actually a good player, must have been a wind up. Sadly the same people probably still won't accept they were wrong but you would have more chance of getting a blowjob from the pope than talking sense in to them anyway. No I haven't but what would you know? 17,000 posts and I can't remember one worth reading.

His last post was obviously worth reading as you quoted and responded