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[flammableBen]

Oh, and a words meaning is not the same as it's etymology.

[magicroundabout]

Oh, and a words meaning is not the same as it's etymology.

example then please on the word paki

[pauld]

example then please on the word paki

Oh come on. The context and history in which a term is used obviously has a bearing. Would you seriously try and claim that for example there is a direct comparison to be made between the term "ginger" and the word "nigger"? Nigger comes from the Latin word for black, niger, but it is still widely and rightly recognised as an offensive and derogatory term when used by white people towards black people. And that offense is compounded because it comes with a history of decades of racist abuse, discrimination, violence and murder. The same goes with the term "Paki" - you use that term toward an Asian and it carries with it whole swathes of connotations, not from 40 years ago, but in the here and now. I don't remember reading about any of Ironside's BNP mates doing time for firebombing churches and scrawling "Gingers out" on the wall first. You know that's the context of what's being discussed here, so stop being so obtuse - as Ben says, you're just making yourself look stupid.

[flammableBen]

example then please on the word paki

I'm saying that the meaning of a word isn't necessarily the same as it's origins. The word paki clearly comes from a shortening of Pakistani, but that doesn't mean it's picked up different meanings through it's usage.

Edit. I got beaten to my own response! Paul's was better anyway.

[Samdy Gray]

Magic, are you seriously suggesting that you'd quite happilly walk up to a stranger in the street and call him a Paki? Because that what your opinion would suggest.

And your argument for gingers doesn't wash. Yes, you don't like it and it can be seen as discriminatory, but the same could be said for someone calling me a fat cunt and the law allows it. Calling someone a Paki on the other hand is racial discrimination, which is a criminal offence.

[magicroundabout]

guys your missing my point here. i simply stated i don't see using paki as being racist. derogatory yes. Which for that reason Sam no i wouldn't go up to someone and use the word paki nor would i call you a fat bastard or dave ginger. it's offensive and derogatry.

[flammableBen]

And we're saying that you're wrong. It is racist.

[magicroundabout]

And we're saying that you're wrong. It is racist.

we could go round in circles here so we'll leave it that we don't agree.

[flammableBen]

You can not agree all you want, but a word's which main use is an offensive term based on the race of someone, with added bonus points of a history of being used as part of discrimination and hate based on race, is in fact, racist.

So you're still wrong.

[spacey]

we could go round in circles here so we'll leave it that we don't agree.

I think we should leave it that everyone in the whole universe thinks you're a big wrong stupid trousers.

[pauld]

guys your missing my point here. i simply stated i don't see using paki as being racist. derogatory yes.

It's a derogatory term based on a person's race - what part of "racist" do you not understand exactly?

[jayohaitchenn]

YOU'RE ALL FUCKING PAKI'S. SHUT UP!

[nevillew]

Oh come on. The context and history in which a term is used obviously has a bearing. Would you seriously try and claim that for example there is a direct comparison to be made between the term "ginger" and the word "nigger"? [/quote}

Anagrams ?

Probably not what you were referring to...

[Ironside]

The voice of the Righteous....

[pauld]

The voice of the Righteous....

The voice of the extreme right.