Berniman
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« Reply #30 on: Monday, January 12, 2009, 09:01:06 » |
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“Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.” ― Marcus Aurelius
When somebody shouts STOP! I never know if it's in the name of love, if it's HAMMER TIME, or if I should collaborate and listen...
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janaage
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« Reply #31 on: Monday, January 12, 2009, 09:15:22 » |
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Baring in mind this fella is third in line to the throne, he really should know better than to call people "rag heads" or "paki's". I think George Galloway summed it up well, if you don't realise the offence that "paki" can cause, and to be fair I have no idea, then you probably haven't been called it in a vicious way. It's an abbrevation, but the way the term has been used in recent years I think we all know that it's not acceptable really.
So I believe he shouldn't have said, and that he should apologise (which he has already). What I really don't understand is the way some reports have stated "in another prank he was seen to be offensive towards the queen". Just because he said (at the end of a pretend phone call) "Yeah yeah God save you, bye..." what's so offensive about that?
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« Reply #32 on: Monday, January 12, 2009, 10:57:32 » |
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Let's be honest the blokes been a bit of a tool.
I don't think that he's an out and out racist, but you'd think he'd be more careful about what he says on camera. Even if it is a private video, in his position he should realise that footage like that is going to be damaging and is almost inevitably going to find its way into the public domain.
However, the bloke was about 20 when he filmed it and which of us wasn't a bit of an arse at that age? Bearing in mind that he clearly isn't that bright (two A level's at grades B and D after the most expensive education money can buy is hardly an indication of a particularly profound thinker) and that every other piece of footage I've seen of the man shows him interacting with people of all races in a pretty relaxed and open manner (I'm pretty sure he's had command of a Gurkha platoon at one stage) and I'd say it's just a bit unfortunate.
The only bit of the footage that should be a bit of a concern is the "*racial hatred*" remark. I know that using language that depersonalises the enemy, indeed dehumanises them is a fairly natural thing to do in situations of conflict. If you are going to have to shoot someone, or order a few tonnes of ordanance down on their heads it's a damned sight easier to do if you're not thinking of them as Ahmed who's got three kids at home.
But the trouble in this particular little war we've got ourselves mixed up in is that the "ragheads" aren't just limited to the role of enemy here, they're also the civilian population the allied forces are supposed to be protecting, and make up a proportion of those allied forces themselves.
A bit unfortunate and a bit of a gaffe, which he seems to have realised.
I did like the "yeah yeah God save you " line though.
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Fred Elliot
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« Reply #33 on: Monday, January 12, 2009, 11:31:09 » |
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Sorry but I thought it was all rather fucking ace
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« Reply #34 on: Monday, January 12, 2009, 12:12:29 » |
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I couldn't really care less.
By that I mean I don't think racism should be tolerated, but I can't be arsed to see what context the words were used in.
Let's be honest assuming the wrost case, "thick royal in out of touch with modern society shocker" isn't really a shocker after all is it.
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« Reply #35 on: Monday, January 12, 2009, 12:19:31 » |
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To me it sums up what our forces are all about,old traditions,old language,bullying,old equipment and as usual old men calling the shots in there safe worlds...abit like WW1 a hundred years on...Harry is saying words that are commonly used in our forces,is it racist?....its an individual decision,i wouldnt want any of my family joining our forces in todays climate.
You're using a NOTW story to sum something up? You need to sort yourself out.
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« Reply #36 on: Monday, January 12, 2009, 12:37:14 » |
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I call my asian mate those names and he called me a honky. Im going to batter the racist cunt
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« Reply #37 on: Monday, January 12, 2009, 12:44:25 » |
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You're using a NOTW story to sum something up? You need to sort yourself out.
As usual Tails...ive got no idea what your on about...NOTW means zilch to me,call me old fashioned!
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« Reply #38 on: Monday, January 12, 2009, 13:28:11 » |
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damn damn damn, thought i had hit jackpot in the death list
Me too! Fuck.
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Berniman
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« Reply #39 on: Monday, January 12, 2009, 14:06:23 » |
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As usual Tails...ive got no idea what your on about...NOTW means zilch to me,call me old fashioned!
er... News of the World
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“Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.” ― Marcus Aurelius
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« Reply #40 on: Monday, January 12, 2009, 15:27:42 » |
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Sorry i read the SE..ocasionly the SM....but i never read the NOTW,its full of tits...on that note.
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« Reply #41 on: Monday, January 12, 2009, 21:06:45 » |
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Sorry i read the SE..ocasionly the SM....but i never read the NOTW,its full of tits...on that note.
But all newspapers covered the story along with all TV channels, so take your pick.
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« Reply #42 on: Monday, January 12, 2009, 21:10:57 » |
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Thing is Dell...i didnt even mention any newspapers,,,,,,and i dont buy em by there abreviations when i do...i genuinly didnt realise what NOTW stood for.
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« Reply #43 on: Monday, January 12, 2009, 22:40:19 » |
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I couldn't really care less.
By that I mean I don't think racism should be tolerated, but I can't be arsed to see what context the words were used in.
Let's be honest assuming the wrost case, "thick royal in out of touch with modern society shocker" isn't really a shocker after all is it.
Exactly. The shock of an upper class white male being racist, whatever next.
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« Reply #44 on: Monday, January 12, 2009, 23:36:50 » |
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End of the day there was no malice in my opinion . I find it hard to believe that anybody who has a mate of a different race has not had a laugh with them and vice versa. My black mate thought it was hilarious i compared her to marmite. Racist is such a over used word the kkk, hitler,ironside(joke) etc are racist harry is naive not racist
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