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« Reply #105 on: Monday, January 5, 2009, 19:39:51 » |
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Not really DRS, okay so Hamas got elected, but if the UK was bombed and I was seriously injured and people across the globe thought "oh well he shouldn't have elected Tony Blair/gordon Brown then" I'd be pretty fuckin savage.
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« Reply #106 on: Monday, January 5, 2009, 19:42:26 » |
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No but if we appointed a terror group who kept launching rockets during a ceasefire i would expect some backlash
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« Reply #107 on: Monday, January 5, 2009, 19:43:18 » |
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You've been fairly active in this debate, I therefore don't really understand your point. Do you annoy yourself?
Yes. Yes I do. I'm not going to post on this thread anymore (Or even look at it) as everytime I do I get pissed off. |
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« Reply #108 on: Monday, January 5, 2009, 19:46:59 » |
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For fuck's sake!  The Israeli's are NOT carrying out a fucking TERROR campaign. Honestly, some people seem to think that eveything's fucking terror since Sept 11th. Get a fucking grip! Depends how you define terrorism I suppose. Apologists for imperialist superpowers generally like to use definitions that make a big deal out of the types of weapons used, blow up a bus load of civilians because they stray in front of your IED planted at a roadside waiting for a Humvee to drive past and that's terrorism, drop a stray Cruise Missile on them and it's collateral damage. No one agrees on a definition but I go with: "violence and the threat of violence which are intended to create fear as a means of coercion" Judging by the leaflets that Israel is dropping in Gaza as detailed by CNN: Israel also stepped up its psychological campaign Monday, trying to turn Gazans against Hamas.
"Urgent message, warning to the citizens of Gaza," said a recorded phone call to Gaza resident Moussa El-Hadad. "Hamas is using you as human shields. Do not listen to them. Hamas has abandoned you and are hiding in their shelters."
The Israeli military also dropped leaflets into the streets of Gaza warning residents that the IDF will continue using "full force against Hamas." It also warned that the military "also has other means to deal with Hamas."
"If the army uses them, the toll will be very painful," said the leaflet, signed by IDF command.That seems to fit the definition to me |
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« Reply #109 on: Monday, January 5, 2009, 19:50:53 » |
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Interesting use of language there. Jewish people fighting for a homeland, and planting bombs and carrying out political assassination to acheive it are undertaking a guerilla war. I take it you'd use the same terminology for the likes of Hamas today? Or are they terrorists? If so do give me an idea of how exactly you make the differentiation?
Straight out of the BBC lexicon of double-speak. Islamic Terrorist = "Militant" "guerilla" etc Israeli Soldiers = Child Murderers Recession = "Downturn" I could go on.. |
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« Reply #110 on: Monday, January 5, 2009, 19:51:37 » |
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Jan...Hamas and the Israelis had a pretty well observed truce up untill a couple of weeks ago....Hamas decided the truce was not for them,what did they expect?...theyve been lobbing rockets into Israel even during the ceasfire...so really the side of the argument you support really depends on who you think has the right of way in Gazza...because believe me if the palestinians get the support of Iran and Iran decide to nuke Israel is it the fault of the thousands of innocent Israeli kids who will be killed.
And another thing ware are all of the Hammis allies during this there Arab comrades?..ile tell you there noware because no country will support a terror group that is recognised by no other country....basicly its like France supporting the IRA!
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« Reply #111 on: Monday, January 5, 2009, 19:57:25 » |
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Or the US supporting the IRA... oh wait.
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janaage
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« Reply #112 on: Monday, January 5, 2009, 19:57:49 » |
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No but if we appointed a terror group who kept launching rockets during a ceasefire i would expect some backlash
What like the IRA exploding bombs in shopping centres? |
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Ironside
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« Reply #113 on: Monday, January 5, 2009, 20:00:36 » |
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Depends how you define terrorism I suppose. Apologists for imperialist superpowers generally like to use definitions that make a big deal out of the types of weapons used, blow up a bus load of civilians because they stray in front of your IED planted at a roadside waiting for a Humvee to drive past and that's terrorism, drop a stray Cruise Missile on them and it's collateral damage.
No one agrees on a definition but I go with:
"violence and the threat of violence which are intended to create fear as a means of coercion"
Judging by the leaflets that Israel is dropping in Gaza as detailed by CNN:
Israel also stepped up its psychological campaign Monday, trying to turn Gazans against Hamas.
"Urgent message, warning to the citizens of Gaza," said a recorded phone call to Gaza resident Moussa El-Hadad. "Hamas is using you as human shields. Do not listen to them. Hamas has abandoned you and are hiding in their shelters."
The Israeli military also dropped leaflets into the streets of Gaza warning residents that the IDF will continue using "full force against Hamas." It also warned that the military "also has other means to deal with Hamas."
"If the army uses them, the toll will be very painful," said the leaflet, signed by IDF command.
That seems to fit the definition to me
So dropping a leaflet (not a bomb, a piece of paper) telling the local's that they'd best keep their heads down for a while because the local bovver boys have been asking for troube and have now got some, is terrorism? Your point about the weapons used is actually quite important but is garbage. There's a world of difference between a precision guided weapon malfunctioning and possibly missing its target and a fucking roadside bomb which is totally indiscriminate and could go off at any time. |
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Genius, Gentleman Explorer, French Cabaret Chantoose and Small Bets Placed and someone who knows who they are changed my signature but its only know that I can be arsed to change it....and I mean all the spelling mistakes.
Was it me? It can't have been an interesting enough event for me to remember - fB.
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« Reply #114 on: Monday, January 5, 2009, 20:01:01 » |
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The US didnt support the IRA,,,idiotic mislead Irish Americans did.
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janaage
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« Reply #115 on: Monday, January 5, 2009, 20:01:23 » |
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Jan...Hamas and the Israelis had a pretty well observed truce up untill a couple of weeks ago....Hamas decided the truce was not for them,what did they expect?...theyve been lobbing rockets into Israel even during the ceasfire...so really the side of the argument you support really depends on who you think has the right of way in Gazza...because believe me if the palestinians get the support of Iran and Iran decide to nuke Israel is it the fault of the thousands of innocent Israeli kids who will be killed.
And another thing ware are all of the Hammis allies during this there Arab comrades?..ile tell you there noware because no country will support a terror group that is recognised by no other country....basicly its like France supporting the IRA!
Can I just say, the more this goes on and the more I read about it, the less I care for either side. Without gettin all soft, corny, tree hugging (whatever you want to call it) the more I realise I'm against war. Too much suffering of the innocent (on both sides). |
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« Reply #116 on: Monday, January 5, 2009, 20:01:49 » |
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Straight out of the BBC lexicon of double-speak.
Islamic Terrorist = "Militant" "guerilla" etc
Israeli Soldiers = Child Murderers
Recession = "Downturn"
I could go on..
That doesn't make any kind of fucking sense? You've got irate about other people using the word "terror" elsewhere in the thread, I'm just pointing out some possible inconsistencies in the use of language here. For the record I'm pretty fucking clear that Hamas is a terrorist organisation, I'm just also clear that because some violent actions were a long time ago and the people that carried them out are now in senior positions in a new nationa state, that doesn't stop them being terrorist actions. I'm also clear that nation states are also perfectly capable of carrying out actions that are terrorist in nature. What the fuck that has to do with the BBC I don't know. Do you read the Daily Mail by any chance? |
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Ironside
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« Reply #117 on: Monday, January 5, 2009, 20:02:29 » |
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Can I just say, the more this goes on and the more I read about it, the less I care for either side. Without gettin all soft, corny, tree hugging (whatever you want to call it) the more I realise I'm against war. Too much suffering of the innocent (on both sides).
Someone take this cunt outside and shoot him please... |
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Genius, Gentleman Explorer, French Cabaret Chantoose and Small Bets Placed and someone who knows who they are changed my signature but its only know that I can be arsed to change it....and I mean all the spelling mistakes.
Was it me? It can't have been an interesting enough event for me to remember - fB.
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« Reply #118 on: Monday, January 5, 2009, 20:04:21 » |
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We sent troops to northern ireland jan.
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« Reply #119 on: Monday, January 5, 2009, 20:06:36 » |
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Can I just say, the more this goes on and the more I read about it, the less I care for either side. Without gettin all soft, corny, tree hugging (whatever you want to call it) the more I realise I'm against war. Too much suffering of the innocent (on both sides).
Very true point...very well made.
On a different note i can recommend a true story called Somme Mud written by E,Lynch that really does confirm your point. |
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