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gosport rob

« on: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 19:14:53 »

I have read the thread regarding the performance of our currrent Board in full and am amazed that the originator of the thread has been banned from the forum when only the responses to a reasonable question have been abusive and nasty.

The originator did in my view respond in a positive manner to the critics but was then vilified for not answering every post covering about six pages before being banned!!

Surely we are not yet a police state and should be able to question the direction being taken to achieve success for STFC on and off the pitch?

I am unsure if this thread will be allowed to continue but if it is please comment.
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JPC82

« Reply #1 on: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 19:16:40 »

so u are the same cunt posting before then? ban him ben Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 19:18:08 »

I agree that banning him was a bit OTT. The good thing about the TEF is that it's pretty much anything goes (As long as it's legal) usually if someone states an opinion that the majority disagree on, they are shouted down, abused and then pretty much ignored. Which is the way it should be.
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« Reply #3 on: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 19:18:21 »

Subtle.
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chrome dome

« Reply #4 on: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 19:28:31 »

shame they don't ban a few more
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dell boy

« Reply #5 on: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 19:28:40 »

I didn't realise you banned him.
When I first came on here I took a torrent of deserved abuse, I responded back with abuse.
I soon came to realise that's the TEF way and what makes this site head and shoulders above any other Swindon site, if he has been banned very surprised.
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gosport rob

« Reply #6 on: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 19:30:10 »

JPC82

I am not the same person who posted on the original thread but your comment proves my point, should the moderator ban me (using reasonable language) or you (using foul and abusive language)?

Is my memory correct from previous posts that you have some link with the youth team? If so I didn't make the grade cos I wasn't good enough what was your problem?
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JPC82

« Reply #7 on: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 19:38:25 »

i dont have links with anyone, i just make up stories and hope they come true
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chrome dome

« Reply #8 on: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 19:40:17 »

more like you get information from a privileged source who is abusing their position by letting you post it
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« Reply #9 on: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 19:55:10 »

Hello gosport rob. I think JPC82 has what is known as 'a sense of humour'. Unfortunately not all of us possess this or his good looks and charm. I thought I'd give you a heads up because it's really the way of the TEF. We can take the mickey out of each other and ourselves more often than not.

Moving on to the thread in question - I read through it and it seemed to me that the originator did not purely want a debate. He took one or two 'neandethal comments' and exaggerrated that to be every post. I certainly got the feeling that the poster felt personally victimised because few agreed with him/her. It only really got any close to being heated exchanges when the originator started targetting certain individuals and belittling their views - the very thing they were supposedly accussing the other posters of.

I probably wouldn't have banned the bloke/lady, but then I only have powers to post masses of shit every day, not remove someone elses right to do the same.
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« Reply #10 on: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 20:01:30 »

The TEF is great because its run by the TEF for TEF.

Unlike thisis we dont have to put with any old shit.

The poster in question did seem to want to highlight the negatives posts and completely ignore the positives ones about our board.

Also, he couldnt quote properly which in itself should be a bannable offence.

If you dont like it feel free to leave.
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« Reply #11 on: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 20:03:20 »

I have read the thread regarding the performance of our currrent Board in full and am amazed that the originator of the thread has been banned from the forum when only the responses to a reasonable question have been abusive and nasty.

The originator did in my view respond in a positive manner to the critics but was then vilified for not answering every post covering about six pages before being banned!!

Surely we are not yet a police state and should be able to question the direction being taken to achieve success for STFC on and off the pitch?

I am unsure if this thread will be allowed to continue but if it is please comment.

It was me who banned him.

As others have pointed out people go on the wind up all the time, but it's normally for a bit of a laugh. Gasha was doing it for no other reason than to stir up angry responses.

One of the reason's it annoyed me is that I sometimes think that the TEF can have a bit of no criticising the new board blind spot, I was hoping that gasha's thread could help provoke a bit of debate on the subject. Yes the straight out one line abusive comments didn't help much, but it became clear pretty quickly it was these that this Gasha dude was interested in getting

Gasha wasn't banned for his opinions of the new board, I'm not convinced he really gives a shit either way, he was clearly just here to wind people up, and not in the fun fishing way that we sometimes play with around here.

I even went to quite a lot of lengths to give him the chance to keep up a good bit of discussion on the subject, he really didn't seem interested though.

Herthab's right in a way. The TEF normally does a pretty good job at moderating itself with the shouting down of the retards approach, but I'm not sure that works with things like Fitton, when we can be a bit blindly one sided.

Can we stop all this "I know if this thread will be allowed" or the "I might be banned for this but" bollocks? I rarely ban anybody, and it's not once been because they had a point of view that I disagreed with. I rarely lock or delete threads, in fact I can only think of one time I have. I even let personal abuse go, one of the things you have to accept when you don't use the internet to hide behind veil of anonymity.

Just for completion here's what I posted on the mod bit straight after I banned him. I guess it's easy to over think these things after the event.
Did I do the wrong thing banning him?

He did start some good debate about the current board, but when he started ignoring answers to his questions and then asking the same ones over and over again. Other people didn't help with there immediate dismissal of his initial points, but then he didn't help himself either. I'm not saying he's wrong because he was in the minority, but if you're going to be "controversial" then surely you should at least attempt to back yourself up?

I offered him a chance to back up his opinions on the current regime a bit better, and he just selectively quoted a different bit of my post. He didn't seem to have any interest in responding/debating to other peoples posts.

Quickly covering the Freedom of Speech, Police State bollocks: I don't think the TEF has ever claimed to be some bastion of democracy and freedom. In fact it was set up with the intent to get away from the mongs who were very quickly ruining an unmoderated thisis forum. So in a way it was set up with the idea of exclusion from the off.


Lastly. That's pretty much all I have to say on the whole fucking thing. I think it's nice of me to go to these lengths to justify myself as it is. Unless anybody's got some really interesting new light to shed on the subject then please fuck off.
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« Reply #12 on: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 20:12:08 »

Who remembers J1mmy? He was 100 times more fun than Bart, despite having an equal number of brain cells.
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« Reply #13 on: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 20:13:56 »

Were j1mmy and Micky Hazard was God the same person?
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« Reply #14 on: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 20:16:57 »

So in summary trolling = possible banning.

Seems fair enough.
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