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« Reply #30 on: Thursday, May 22, 2008, 22:02:25 »

I dislike Man Utd more than I ever have ( which is more ironic when you consider I had a slight affinity towards them as a kid during their shit period in the 80's).  This is in the context of generally despising most Prem teams these days though.  I never used to dislike Liverpool but find myself getting irritated more and more by them, as well as Chelsea.  I find Arsenal slightly more appealing due to their style of play but even that is wearing thin now.  I think much of this has to do with the Prem League players these days.
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« Reply #31 on: Friday, May 23, 2008, 08:40:33 »

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brilliant. Like every club United has had it's duffers.

I do agree United could wobble after ferg leaves. He will retire only when he's overtaken Liverpool's 18 league titles (United now on 17), so he's going nowhere yet.

I'm not sure if it'll be the same as when Busby left, however, Reg. Whoever takes over will inherit a strong side with the best training facilities in the land and a healthy academy.

Financially though, they're fucked!
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« Reply #32 on: Friday, May 23, 2008, 08:53:50 »

Well woudl you believe it, Rob T comes out as a plastic united fan, I knew it!
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« Reply #33 on: Friday, May 23, 2008, 10:32:29 »

Giggs is my best ever Prem player,skilfull,pace,goalscorer,can head a ball and use both feet....oh and he can defend too,a real quality player,would have been great player for England.......Man U have a mystique about them what attracts fans.
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« Reply #34 on: Friday, May 23, 2008, 10:52:30 »

I must admit my interest as an observer in the Premier League has waned over the past couple of years and the debacle over the 29th game this season gone hasn’t exactly endeared me to the Premier League ‘product’.

The amount of money being pumped in is obscene and the distributions down the food chain is so poor to the extent where we’re not far off a static top division made up of the same clubs with a handful who simply cycle in and out every few seasons.  When someone like Derby and probably Stoke do make the grade they’re chewed up and spat out and for all of the money the club are probably worse off for the experience.

It would be interesting to know if anyone has ever looked at what the distribution of TV revenue etc and how past and present compares.

Interesting point Reg made about United and Internationals.  What ‘big’ club in the Premier League last produced an England international?  If you look at the recent additions coming into the squad a lot of come from the Championship or lower level Premier League sides albeit they’re hovered up fairly quickly it’s a bit of a worrying trend for the long term.
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« Reply #35 on: Friday, May 23, 2008, 12:03:01 »

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I must admit my interest as an observer in the Premier League has waned over the past couple of years and the debacle over the 29th game this season gone hasn’t exactly endeared me to the Premier League ‘product’.

The amount of money being pumped in is obscene and the distributions down the food chain is so poor to the extent where we’re not far off a static top division made up of the same clubs with a handful who simply cycle in and out every few seasons.  When someone like Derby and probably Stoke do make the grade they’re chewed up and spat out and for all of the money the club are probably worse off for the experience.

It would be interesting to know if anyone has ever looked at what the distribution of TV revenue etc and how past and present compares.

Interesting point Reg made about United and Internationals.  What ‘big’ club in the Premier League last produced an England international?  If you look at the recent additions coming into the squad a lot of come from the Championship or lower level Premier League sides albeit they’re hovered up fairly quickly it’s a bit of a worrying trend for the long term.


errr well...

Of course gerrard and carragher from liverpool and before them Michael Owen.

Theres the whole man utd brigade of england internationals who are now starting to drop off the international scene (becks, the nevilles, before them butt and scholes etc)... apart from them there's Wes Brown.

 I can't see Arsenal producing an England international in the future, unless they leave a la bentley... their last one was Ashely Cole, and before him it would probably be Ray Parlour?

As for Chelsea's English contingent, joe cole and lampard, of course products of that fine crop of West Ham talent of the late 90s including Michael Carrick and Rio Ferdinand of course. Apart from them there's only John Terry.

Then a quick glance at who's in and around the England Squad at the mo,

defence... there's micah richards, City, Lescott from wolves, Bridge southampton, Woodgate- Boro/Leeds
The midfeild is testament to Dazzza's point. Hargreaves- born in canada, signed by munchen... Lennon- Leeds.... SWP- City.... Downing- boro.... Walcott- Swindon/Saints.... Carrick- Geordie but hammers... with the exception of Gerrard, no player produced by a 'big club' in the middle... closest being David Bentley who of course turned out for Arsenal a handful of times before moving on.

Strikers much the same. Crouch- originally at Spurs, then QPR... Defoe- a hammer.... Rooney- Everton.... Ashton- Swindon  Wink ..... Agbonglahor- Villa

Looking over the squads of the 'big 4' its hard to see where the next potential England standard academy product will come from.
Arsenal have some quality young Brits but they always have... United and Liverpool seem happy to go abroad for their dose of youngsters and Chelsea, while abramovich is about, are more likely to spend big for the short term rather than the long term.


worrying indeed.
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« Reply #36 on: Friday, May 23, 2008, 12:14:21 »

We'll see what West Ham can produce then!

They've had a few youngsters turn out this season and that Freddy Sears didnt look half bad.

Did remind me of a young Alan Shearer in a way, but I dont want to build him up too much because he could easily be the next Fanny Jeffers
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« Reply #37 on: Friday, May 23, 2008, 12:18:53 »

don't knock jeffers, he has a goal-a-game strike rate for england!

By all accounts though arsenal have some decent young english players, and man city won the fa youth cup with a team made up of englishmen, so i dont think it will be as doom and gloom as is being made out.
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« Reply #38 on: Friday, May 23, 2008, 12:38:36 »

Dex as a new arsenal employee can I point out two names, Walcott and Campbell.....who have both been internationals
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« Reply #39 on: Friday, May 23, 2008, 12:39:14 »

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Dex as a new arsenal employee can I point out two names, Walcott and Campbell.....who have both been internationals
And may i point out they are talking about youth products
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« Reply #40 on: Friday, May 23, 2008, 12:40:49 »

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Dex as a new arsenal employee can I point out two names, Walcott and Campbell.....who have both been internationals


may I suggest you try and read the thread properly before tying to be clever.


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« Reply #41 on: Friday, May 23, 2008, 12:58:24 »

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Dex as a new arsenal employee can I point out two names, Walcott and Campbell.....who have both been internationals


 :groan1: swindon/southampton and spurs...
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« Reply #42 on: Friday, May 23, 2008, 14:29:30 »

Why are you all sticking up for the black one?

Dex wont mind, he is in debt to me, so I hope he has a successful career ahead and one day takes me to a game! Cheesy
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« Reply #43 on: Friday, May 23, 2008, 15:00:46 »

Shut it Willow.
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« Reply #44 on: Friday, May 23, 2008, 15:05:44 »

I hate them more than ever and their legions of plastic fans who crawl out of the woodwork any time they win anything. And that some of these retards actually think they're better than any other plastics is laughable, they are the worst of the lot. Scum. Aside from them and Arsenal I don't mind any of the other premiership teams, no other team has such a high percentage of cunts as fans.
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