STFC Transfer Rumours

[Audrey]

So, based on probable costs of each who would prefer  - Ajose or Doyle?

[Reg Smeeton]

History suggests that as part of a pair Ajose could knock in 20 goals for Swindon in a full season, especially at this level.

A 20 goal striker would give us every chance of challenging.

Keshi and Kaiyne have their qualities, and can certainly offer some impact off the bench/ as cover/ elsewhere on the pitch, but they haven't come up with the goals. They've each had plenty of chances, and nothing suggests that either of them will suddenly start knocking them in.

I agree, getting him in should be a priority.  

However history shows that when he did score 20+ goals for us, we never really got in the promotion mix, but had a season where flirtataion with the drop was probably staved off by his goals.  So no guarantees.

[Samdy Gray]

A 20 goal striker would give us every chance of challenging.

But what about two 10 goal strikers?

*ducks*

[Peter Venkman]

So, based on probable costs of each who would prefer  - Ajose or Doyle?

That depends on how Wellens wants us to play next season, Doyle and Ajose are very different styles of player.

Power knows Ajose well, Wellens knows Doyle well. Wellens has often said he wants to bring in players HE knows and trusts to play a certain role and that he knows their personality.

Both are in essence goal poachers but Doyle contributes more to the forward line than just being a sit in the box poacher which Ajose is. Doyle is a much more physical presence but Ajose has a bit more pace.

Doyle has the better ability with his head and has been known to hit some long range goals which is a bonus point to Doyle. Doyle presses defences more than Ajose, similar to Richards and is probably an all round striker rather than just a poacher.

If you look at the stats....
Ajose is 27
Doyle is 30
Ajose is a small quick striker
Doyle is a taller (but still only 5' 10") and bigger built and possibly more suited to L2
Ajose is a faster player who is not that great at closing down defenders
Doyle is a stronger player who isn't scared to get stuck into tackles
Both are goal poachers inside the 6 yard box
Doyle contributes more goals from outside the box than Ajose

Ajose has  94 goals in 312 games 1 every 3.3 games
Doyle has 116 goals in 372 games 1 goal every 3.2 games

Ajose has scored 22 goals in his last 99 games
Doyle has scored 27 goals in his last 97 games

As you see both players have a fairly similar scoring record during their careers but quite different styles.

[ferret]

However history shows that when he did score 20+ goals for us, we never really got in the promotion mix, but had a season where flirtataion with the drop was probably staved off by his goals.  So no guarantees.

Of course there are no guarantees.

And, if we were playing at the level at which he has previously knocked in goals for us, I still wouldn’t fancy our chances of competing on the back of his goals.

At this lower level, our overall away record, and even our home record against the top end sides, has comfortably been good enough for us to challenge. Our extreme problem has been hoovering up easy games at the CG. For instance, Keshi’s 2 goals in 40-odd home games is slightly short of the mark.

If someone had knocked in a few around the 6 yard box in half of the fixtures at home to Yeovil, Crawley, Port Vale etc etc etc we would have challenged.

And that, in my opinion, is what Nicky is good at.

[Audrey]

If a big hold-up forward is on the agenda I’d have a look at Jamille Matt at Newport.

[Peter Venkman]

If a big hold-up forward is on the agenda I’d have a look at Jamille Matt at Newport.

I thought he was really poor against us in both games this season, he must have something about him to have got 14 goals though. Hes still under contract at Newport though for another year.

[Audrey]

Looked handy in the play offs. A year left is the best time for a selling club. Probably wouldn’t break the bank either.

Newport as a whole looked poor in both games against us - very one dimensional.

[Reg Smeeton]

Of course there are no guarantees.

And, if we were playing at the level at which he has previously knocked in goals for us, I still wouldn’t fancy our chances of competing on the back of his goals.

At this lower level, our overall away record, and even our home record against the top end sides, has comfortably been good enough for us to challenge. Our extreme problem has been hoovering up easy games at the CG. For instance, Keshi’s 2 goals in 40-odd home games is slightly short of the mark.

If someone had knocked in a few around the 6 yard box in half of the fixtures at home to Yeovil, Crawley, Port Vale etc etc etc we would have challenged.

And that, in my opinion, is what Nicky is good at.

It's a persuasive argument, and I daresay Flitcroft, probably thought NA might knock in a few for the Stags... but as always it's about balancing what you've got to make it effective.  The good away wins were mainly on the back of pace on the break, do you lose that if having to accommodate more a target man type and a goal hanger?

Don't get me wrong, I could understand it if we did sign him, and would trust Wellens to get something out of him, if he went that way.

[Peter Venkman]

Looked handy in the play offs. A year left is the best time for a selling club. Probably wouldn’t break the bank either.

Newport as a whole looked poor in both games against us - very one dimensional.

I didn't get to watch the PO's but yes Newport are a pretty poor side whenever I have seen them, they just don't concede often (except for Yeovil at home!) I think they coped well on their WW1 battlefield pitch, far better than decent teams did on there. A surface not conducive to having passing football played on it.

[ferret]

It's a persuasive argument, and I daresay Flitcroft, probably thought NA might knock in a few for the Stags... but as always it's about balancing what you've got to make it effective.  The good away wins were mainly on the back of pace on the break, do you lose that if having to accommodate more a target man type and a goal hanger?

Don't get me wrong, I could understand it if we did sign him, and would trust Wellens to get something out of him, if he went that way.

Yeah indeed. Woolery and Anderson have both clearly got something to offer, especially when they’ve got some space to offer it in. Kaiyne ran Bury ragged up there for example, and Keshi slammed in a cracker at MK. They can keep playing in those games, and we can call on Nicky to chase a late goal if we need it.

At home to bottom enders, they don’t have the same space, and are largely ineffective. So we need Ajose to do what Richards failed at this season - sniff out a good number of routine striker goals / tap ins (playing off a big man). Once he’s done that, and the opponents have to chase, we can call on the quick lads to get in behind them and kill off the game.

I know it’s not as easy as it looks on paper, but there’s got to be some potential in that.

[Audrey]

Latest Twitter rumours

Interested in Matty Stevens from Posh - scored 31 in 53 loaned out to non league

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[DarloSTFC84]

That depends on how Wellens wants us to play next season, Doyle and Ajose are very different styles of player.

Power knows Ajose well, Wellens knows Doyle well. Wellens has often said he wants to bring in players HE knows and trusts to play a certain role and that he knows their personality.

Both are in essence goal poachers but Doyle contributes more to the forward line than just being a sit in the box poacher which Ajose is. Doyle is a much more physical presence but Ajose has a bit more pace.

Doyle has the better ability with his head and has been known to hit some long range goals which is a bonus point to Doyle. Doyle presses defences more than Ajose, similar to Richards and is probably an all round striker rather than just a poacher.

If you look at the stats....
Ajose is 27
Doyle is 30
Ajose is a small quick striker
Doyle is a taller (but still only 5' 10") and bigger built and possibly more suited to L2
Ajose is a faster player who is not that great at closing down defenders
Doyle is a stronger player who isn't scared to get stuck into tackles
Both are goal poachers inside the 6 yard box
Doyle contributes more goals from outside the box than Ajose

Ajose has  94 goals in 312 games 1 every 3.3 games
Doyle has 116 goals in 372 games 1 goal every 3.2 games

Ajose has scored 22 goals in his last 99 games
Doyle has scored 27 goals in his last 97 games

As you see both players have a fairly similar scoring record during their careers but quite different styles.

So essentially, you're saying we should sign both? 

[Peter Venkman]

So essentially, you're saying we should sign both? 

Why not!

[Bob's Orange]

Latest Twitter rumours

Interested in Matty Stevens from Posh - scored 31 in 53 loaned out to non league

Plymouth interested in Kyle Bennett

Transfer listed at Posh, never really got a chance for them but their attacking strength is very good so hems now surplus to requirements. I’d imagine they will be looking for about 100k ish for him. (Total guess)