UPDATE ON PROTESTS

[herthab]

You didn't waste your time on monday night though.

But why is it suddenly a waste Si?

I'm getting a bit confused here. Sturrock is asking for no protests until after the game, I read that as no protests during the game.

The Trust can't officially back the protests as they haven't got a mandate from their members.

Why has this created such a u-turn by some?

[stfctownenda]

You didn't waste your time on monday night though.

But why is it suddenly a waste Si?

I'm getting a bit confused here. Sturrock is asking for no protests until after the game, I read that as no protests during the game.

The Trust can't officially back the protests as they haven't got a mandate from their members.

Why has this created such a u-turn by some?

Because on Monday we had a mandate at the meeting to pursue with 4 protest ideas on the table and the only thing that would stop them would be the legal aspect.  Now with the Trust disagreeing with protests before it will damage numbers and I think the Sturrock plea as a reason is poor as you said he probably didn't want chanting during the game but to cancel backing of the march is the wrong call.

[Simon Pieman]

You didn't waste your time on monday night though.

But why is it suddenly a waste Si?

I'm getting a bit confused here. Sturrock is asking for no protests until after the game, I read that as no protests during the game.

The Trust can't officially back the protests as they haven't got a mandate from their members.

Why has this created such a u-turn by some?

So what did I vote on then? Was that not a mandate?

[herthab]

I thought it was an open meeting, not a Trust one.

I'm not arguing Si, I think that if we got numbers at the protests without Trust backing, it would be even more effective as a show of fans dissatisfaction.

At the meeting, a majority (Trust and non-Trust) voted for the protests. I said I was happy to go along with that and still am.

[Mexicano Rojo]

at what point did i lead the protests? I got asked to talk on tv by you all and i agreed.

You lot are doing my fucking head in. I live  250 mile round trip, i run 3 businesses and i have kidney dialysis for 18 hours a week. i love this football club and i will be at any protest.

I have been in the last few pages accussed of a oscar winning performance of doing a u turn of basically letting you down?

well fucking good. i fucking dare one of you to say that my passion and drive for this club is fucking plastic to my face saturday. fucking go on. oh yteah not so easy when your not behind a screen.twats.

half of you went to that meeting and i didnt here many of you speak up. fucking do something off your own backs for a fucking change.

and bollocks to the trust i hereby resign my position. reasons being i cannot be seen as being " militant" and dragging the rest of the board down with me. a board who i hasten to add give fucking hours and hours of their spare time to try and do whats best for this club.

ok this may be seen as a hissy fit, but those of you that know me will know i dont do fucking hissy fits.

i honestly think the majority of you on here are fucking idiots and i have no fuck ing qualms with saying that to any of you.

[sonic youth]

the problem is that the two people organising it were trust board members, now they're not involved and have removed their backing altogether.

this has left us without anyone to lead and organise and it's also left a few of us rather bemused by the trust's actions.

frankly i'm pretty disappointed, whether the meeting on monday was an 'official' trust meeting or not is irrelevent - it was chaired by the trust, the votes were passed by the trust, the beginnings of organisation were taken by trust board members.

it's all got a bit messy and frankly i haven't got a clue what's going on now!

edit: and posts like the one above aren't particularly constructive either.

[Simon Pieman]

sigh

[herthab]

We don't need leaders, we need organisers.

I haven't (And won't) slag off any Trust Board member (Although, as Mex intimated, I am indeed a twat).

All we need is some people that are local to liase with the police.

Why can't we just march off our own backs?

[spacey]

i honestly think the majority of you on here are fucking idiots and i have no fuck ing qualms with saying that to any of you.

I bet you think I'm great though.


I was wondering though, how come the protests before the game will affect the players? Considering they were thinking about striking a few weeks ago because of non payment of wages, you would of thought they'd be as glad to get rid of this lot as the rest of us. I'm sure it's always been emphasised that the playing staff have everyone's full support. They must be really sensitive or something.

[Simon Pieman]

Because Mex is right. Nobody wants to fucking grasp the nettle. It's all getting personal now which ain't good.

[lebowski]

maybe they want to join in?

[lebowski]

the players, that is.

[herthab]

Well I'm gonna march on my own then

I don't think it'll get much tv coverage, but fuck it.

I'm not able to get to Swindon before Saturday and therefore can't organise anything, but if anyone can on my behalf?

There's too many people now that are afraid it'll be a small number and look stupid. Fuck that, just do it!

That really would send a message to the club................

[sonic youth]

We don't need leaders, we need organisers.

I haven't (And won't) slag off any Trust Board member (Although, as Mex intimated, I am indeed a twat).

All we need is some people that are local to liase with the police.

Why can't we just march off our own backs?

that's sort of the point i'm trying to make. i was not having a go at anyone - least of all mex - but it's a bit like having the rug pulled from beneath your feet. we had the momentum, the right people were organising the fine details, things were looking alright.

suddenly this has taken a drastic change of direction, i think people are rightly confused.

stuff like post match protests will happen naturally. organising a number of people to congregate in a specific location will not and requires someone to organise this but nobody is willing to take control.

[Reg Smeeton]

the problem is that the two people organising it were trust board members, now they're not involved and have removed their backing altogether.

this has left us without anyone to lead and organise and it's also left a few of us rather bemused by the trust's actions.

 As a political activist of the 70's and 80's if I didn't know better I'd say, the Trust Board had been got at and sold out its membership.....a classic of the time being Joe Gormley, who was NUM president in the mid 70's when the Heath Government was brought down, but was in fact working for MI5.