Title: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Friday, January 26, 2024, 13:02:33 This gets discussed a bit in the New Beginnings thread, but I suppose we can probably stretch to separate threads for the two basket case organisations in our lives and leave that thread to the actual club administration, fans forums and so on.
To summarise where we're at: The Trust AGM is on 28th Feb This also includes election of board members. A huge number are resigning including Steve Mytton (Chair), James Spencer & Alex Pollock (co vice-chairs) and Scott Curtis (treasurer). That means all the officers are going apart from the Secretary. That leaves just five board members in post of which three are up for re-election Up for re-election: Neil Hutchings Paul Hedges Tom Paris Not up for re-election Sharon Brinsdon (Trust Secretary) Bazil Solomon To quote myself in the other thread, Clearly at the moment there is a divide in the Trust board (not itk here, just going on what's been said and done publicly). There's a "ruling faction" if you will represented by the Chair and vice Chairs, all of whom are standing down, who are the closest to Clem (and the longest serving on the Trust, the two things not being unrelated!) and then the rest of the board are either a bit more sceptical of Clem or just "go with the flow" types. Will hopefully be clear from the statements accompanying re-election campaigns where individuals sit within that, so members at least know what they're voting for. Obviously with the Chair, Treasurer and both Vice-Chairs standing down at once, that's a big hit to the "continuity" faction, but I imagine they won't want the Trust to lurch the other way entirely and will have some succession planning in place. The challenge for the "Change" faction, for want of a better name, is that many of the members who would vote for them have ragequit the Trust over the last few months. So... does anyone care? is anyone standing? There's clearly a lot of dissatisfaction on here with the Trust, but it does have procedures in place to allow the general fan to change its direction more than the club does. My personal view is that with the Joint Venture in place (and the retiring administration deserve credit for getting that done, no matter what else they've got wrong) the Trust matters and can't just be left to die and be replaced. I'm keen to back candidates who will restore a healthy distance between club and Trust, and have thought about standing myself but don't really want to. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: reeves4england on Friday, January 26, 2024, 13:07:44 I care. If done right, this is the perfect opportunity for the Trust to restructure, refocus and regain all the support it has lost over the past couple of years.
If done badly, we lose all hope of holding those running the club [whoever that might be] to account without a 'Not a Penny More' style protest. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Friday, January 26, 2024, 13:09:17 If people haven't already seen, it's clearly starting to get a bit underhand already, with this interesting new poster on the other thread the other night - https://thetownend.com/index.php?action=profile;u=12837
Quote hi all this is my first post and I am an older fan so please be gentle with me.. I waned to talk about the fact there has been a great deal of talk over the supporters trust and there ability to represent fans recently. I was discussing this with a mate at he weekend and was tempted to apply for a board position in the agm next month myself. I have financial experience and thought i could help them, but after hearing about the current situation at the trust i have decided i don't want to be part of it. My mate said that one of the current board who was secretary (neil hutchinson) quit the role last month and really threw the trust into complete disaray he was the guy responsible apparently for pushing the car crash of the financial review, but he resigned as secretary just before christmas to avoid having to arrange and run the agm for the trust and left the rest of them to pick up the pieces but remains on the board letting everyone else pick up the role he should be doing. My mate says he has been telling everyone that he will be the new trust chairman come the agm. How can someone have the arrogance and behaves in that way have the belief he can actually be the chairman. In my view if this is a representation of how things are with the trust then i dont want to be part of it, my mate also thought he might stand for the board as he has experience of digital media but given the situation with them at the moment and what he described he also felt he didnt want to be associated with that too. I actually thought i could help them but i dont want to be involved if characters like the ex secretary are the sort of people i would be working with. Has anyone here applied and do they think i should change my mind and apply or have i done the right thing. Welcome opinions. Perhaps Mr. 2024 would have some further interesting views for us outsiders. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: joeydubya on Friday, January 26, 2024, 13:45:35 A small point, but the Trust allowed Bazil Solomon to pose for warm room pictures last year when that was running, which he used for purposes to promote himself as a Conservative councillor.
Not saying people involved in local politics can't be involved in the Trust, but this shouldn't be allowed whatever the party. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Friday, January 26, 2024, 13:57:54 I'd agree there. You wear one hat at a time
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Friday, January 26, 2024, 13:58:24 Did the warm room have anything to do with the Trust? Wasn't that one fan's initiative supported by the Community Foundation? Doesn't sound like ideal behaviour but I don't think it's a conflict of interest as such?
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Friday, January 26, 2024, 14:49:26 Warm room was nothing to do with the Trust, he turned up on numerous times unexpected. First few times was agreed through the club
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: joeydubya on Friday, January 26, 2024, 15:00:05 Warm room was nothing to do with the Trust, he turned up on numerous times unexpected. First few times was agreed through the club And perhaps there was a genuine interest, and i'm not dragging him for his support. But as a representative of the Trust (and his party); he should have either been more mindful to not use that for self promotion, or the Trust should have asked him not to use his status within for his own benefit. One hat. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Friday, January 26, 2024, 15:24:43 What is warm room?
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Friday, January 26, 2024, 15:30:24 What is warm room? https://www.warmwelcome.uk/ Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, January 26, 2024, 15:37:47 Bazil Solomon is an opportunistic prick so it doesn’t suprise me
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Cookie on Friday, January 26, 2024, 16:25:04 Whichever way the wind blows Brazil Solomon follows.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: tans on Friday, January 26, 2024, 16:47:37 Didn't he stand as a Tory and then defect to labour or something?
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Friday, January 26, 2024, 16:54:15 https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/18175762.labour-councillor-bazil-solomon-switches-conservative-party/
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: tans on Friday, January 26, 2024, 17:46:10 Bloody hell
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Leggett on Friday, January 26, 2024, 18:52:27 I do care, I've kept my Trust membership as I believe in the overall goals... but they're just not being met at the minute. There needs to be daylight between the Club's owners and the Trust, I understand why that didn't happen with Clem but feel this should be a learning moment. If I thought I had something concrete to offer the Trust other than barely contained ginger rage or driving big things around, I would be happy to.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Friday, January 26, 2024, 18:55:42 I submitted my application to stand for the board today. Vote Bennett
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Batch on Friday, January 26, 2024, 18:59:21 good luck Bennett
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: McGurk's Missus on Friday, January 26, 2024, 19:01:57 ''Gordon Bennett, We've Got Bennett's Back'' :pint:
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: tans on Friday, January 26, 2024, 19:07:59 BENNETT IS OUR LEADER!
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Friday, January 26, 2024, 19:18:36 Good luck to you.
I don't know what's going on at the club and I don't think I want to know the truth, nor what your agenda is but if it will ruffle feathers and fire a shot across the bow of the board good on you. Something needs to change, go for it Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Friday, January 26, 2024, 19:21:14 In my opinion, this AGM is by far the most important AGM in the Trust’s history. The Trust has grown and established itself ovr the last 5 years but the baton is being handed over.
With that, it has the potential to wipe the slate clean with a new leadership team, which in turn creates a new culture, ethos and opportunity to grow again. As a membership organisation that’s sole purpose is to represent the voice of the fans, it’s meaningless if fans do not lean in to help shape it’s direction of travel from chipping in with their thoughts to being part of the driven force of change. The deadline for applications is the end of the month and time is running out. So if there is anyone who is considering standing or has any questions about it, please drop me a DM or hit me up on Twitter, @scuba_thomas. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: LucienSanchez on Friday, January 26, 2024, 19:34:20 I submitted my application to stand for the board today. Vote Bennett How does one cast a vote? Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: swindontown2024 on Friday, January 26, 2024, 20:06:52 In my opinion, this AGM is by far the most important AGM in the Trust’s history. The Trust has grown and established itself ovr the last 5 years but the baton is being handed over. With that, it has the potential to wipe the slate clean with a new leadership team, which in turn creates a new culture, ethos and opportunity to grow again. As a membership organisation that’s sole purpose is to represent the voice of the fans, it’s meaningless if fans do not lean in to help shape it’s direction of travel from chipping in with their thoughts to being part of the driven force of change. The deadline for applications is the end of the month and time is running out. So if there is anyone who is considering standing or has any questions about it, please drop me a DM or hit me up on Twitter, @scuba_thomas. As referenced on another post earlier how come your promoting the trust when you negatively liked a batch of anti trust tweets? Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Friday, January 26, 2024, 20:13:22 As referenced on another post earlier how come your promoting the trust when you negatively liked a batch of anti trust tweets? A person does not need to endorse every action of the Trust to think that having a Trust is important, it's what's kept a lot of us in. I think many of us will be interested to read the existing board members' elections statements to explain their views on recent events and the Trust's role in them. People can then make their own mind up about whether that's a good enough argument. This would be rather like saying you shouldn't stand for parliament if you've criticised the government. As for how to cast a vote, there needs to be at least seven candidates nominated before there is a competitive election process - that's seven plus the three who wish to restand. If there are enough candidates I believe voting will be online for trust members rather than in person, but if it is in person there is a proxy nomination process. I certainly hope there are enough candidates to make it a competitive election, ideally representing a number of different viewpoints on what the Trust should be doing in the future. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Friday, January 26, 2024, 20:22:03 As referenced on another post earlier how come your promoting the trust when you negatively liked a batch of anti trust tweets? As already previously mentioned, the AGM is a huge opportunity for the damaging sentiment in those tweets to be reversed with a new direction and leadership in place. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Friday, January 26, 2024, 20:26:07 As referenced on another post earlier how come your promoting the trust when you negatively liked a batch of anti trust tweets? Part of the old regime then are we Mr 2024? Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: swindontown2024 on Friday, January 26, 2024, 20:43:39 No not at all i have seen people say I am so and so of the trust but its not the case. My mate is an ex board member from over a year ago and still stays in touch with the current board, he was telling me about the trust and their current challenges. I asked him about the trust as i am thinking of becoming a member myself and joining but as per my original question why would i become a member when people on the board have effectively slated the organisation they are part of already, it makes no sense to me and makes me not want to join as a member. Its as simple as that and why i asked. I dont understand your reason given drummer becuase if i worked for a company and i slated them in public even if i didnt agree with things they did i would still not do that in public. Its my view and others may not agree and thats fine, but with the 2 people i have referenced still being on the board i wont be looking to join.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Costanza on Friday, January 26, 2024, 20:50:01 Politicking and mudslinging ahead of an AGM? Gosh some cages really have been rattled haven't they.
Good luck to those looking to make a positive change. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Friday, January 26, 2024, 21:03:06 No not at all i have seen people say I am so and so of the trust but its not the case. My mate is an ex board member from over a year ago and still stays in touch with the current board, he was telling me about the trust and their current challenges. I asked him about the trust as i am thinking of becoming a member myself and joining but as per my original question why would i become a member when people on the board have effectively slated the organisation they are part of already, it makes no sense to me and makes me not want to join as a member. Its as simple as that and why i asked. I dont understand your reason given drummer becuase if i worked for a company and i slated them in public even if i didnt agree with things they did i would still not do that in public. Its my view and others may not agree and thats fine, but with the 2 people i have referenced still being on the board i wont be looking to join. Put in an application and reveal your identity, don’t put in an application and throw grenade ” anonymously”. The choice is yours but my mantra towards the Trust is that the Trust is bigger than me and everyone else who sits on that board and it would be wise for anyone standing for election to remember that IMO. The job of a board member is to represent the voice of the fans at the board. However, for the record, I’ve not said anything publicly, the words stating the Trust that you are referencing that I have supposedly said were of many different authors to the tweets. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Friday, January 26, 2024, 21:10:40 No not at all i have seen people say I am so and so of the trust but its not the case. My mate is an ex board member from over a year ago and still stays in touch with the current board, he was telling me about the trust and their current challenges. I asked him about the trust as i am thinking of becoming a member myself and joining but as per my original question why would i become a member when people on the board have effectively slated the organisation they are part of already, it makes no sense to me and makes me not want to join as a member. Its as simple as that and why i asked. I dont understand your reason given drummer becuase if i worked for a company and i slated them in public even if i didnt agree with things they did i would still not do that in public. Its my view and others may not agree and thats fine, but with the 2 people i have referenced still being on the board i wont be looking to join. The trust is not an employer, it is a democratic, membership organisation. Glad I could clear that up for you. If you don't want these two to be part of the Trust board, surely the only way to ensure that would to be a member and stand and vote against them? Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: swindontown2024 on Friday, January 26, 2024, 21:42:12 No is not an employer but people should surely act and behave in a way that is a good representation of the trust, my reference to a company was simply just an example of how in other situations / environments where people behave in a poor manner they have to align to policies and when those are broken there are consequences. I think we both know that the trust isn't a company, but hopefully you get my point now. Not tying to be clever but whether you volunteer for a organisation, are a boy scout there are rules and behaviours you have to adhere to, otherwise you find yourself no longer within those organisations.
Drummer you have gone off on a political tangent and not stuck to the point of my message and argument with your thoughts, (deflecting away from areas that you don't want to discuss maybe), any organisation whether a not for profit, charity, company should be aim to have a team that works together to achieve their aims, its never about one person. However a rogue member that attacks and undermines the organisation they are part of and supposed to support in my view isn't a good look and not one i wish to be part of and sign up to. I think perhaps it needs a complete rethink on their aims and how they can work together as a team for the good of the fans, but perhaps a complete start from scratch is needed and not have legacy board members who have history of bizarre and unprofessional actions that i have eluded to above. If that was the case and the decks were clear without legacy baggage then maybe i would stand. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Friday, January 26, 2024, 21:49:58 Jesus christ, this is excrutiating
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Batch on Friday, January 26, 2024, 21:59:16 I can't work out who is who. But the trust was a fucking state so roll on change
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Friday, January 26, 2024, 22:00:59 I would like to say how interesting it is but sadly I can’t :eek:
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: McGurk's Missus on Friday, January 26, 2024, 22:15:13 Boy Scouts? Ooh suit you. It's giving Ray Mears vibes. All I can think of now is the Trust HQ as a Scout Masters hut :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:
For that reason, I vote Bennett. Bennett FTW Actually no, metaphorically fucking burn it all down NB: Bennett, please don't turn out to be a Scout Leader Cue, posts pic of himself in Saharan Sand shorts and a pair of Birkenstocks :cry: Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: donkey on Friday, January 26, 2024, 22:36:36 If needed, Bennett, you've got my vote.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Mexicano Rojo on Friday, January 26, 2024, 23:32:25 So the trust board was full of Tories, need some of us left wing agitators back. Where are you Paul D and co. No cozying up to the board with us lot!
Vamos el revolucion de Don Bennett! Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: theakston2k on Friday, January 26, 2024, 23:47:20 Politicking and mudslinging ahead of an AGM? Gosh some cages really have been rattled haven't they. Whilst we all knew the Trust had become a complete sham this level of mudslinging is spectacular.Good luck to those looking to make a positive change. Should have guessed it was would end up like this when Mytton criticised sections of the supporters in his resignation tweet. I’m half expecting Spencer et al to go and work directly for Morfuni and try and actively undermine the future Trust if they are more militant towards the club. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: RWB Robin on Saturday, January 27, 2024, 12:27:06 The Trust, as a 'democratic' organisation is in a difficult position, and members of the board are in not a dissimilar position to MPs and other elected members. Are they representatives? If so, of whom? Is it the whole fanbase, the members of the Trust, or those who actually elected them. Whatever the answer to that question, how do they trawl opinion? If they trawled opinion just on here, how many different opinions would they encounter, never mind the whole fanbase. They have a mission statement which is roughly equivalent to a manifesto, but it deals with generalities not detailed policies and strategies. Further complications follow when one or two of the board members are appointed to the board of the football club, where they are likely to be required to accede to some kind of confidentiality clause (perfectly normal in any institution), so for them, even feeding complete and accurate information back to the Trust board may be difficult.
Alternatively, they may consider themselves to be delegates - as of course most MPs do and the Trades Unions have done with their card voting system. If that's the case, it opens the way for forceful individuals with their own agendas to pursue those agendas with minimum of checks and balances from the electorate. That's what happened when I was on the board for a short period quite a long time ago. It doesn’t matter whether such agendas are good/popular or not. If they are pursued without the general support of the 'constituency' they risk coming unstuck. The Trust is clearly in a difficult place now and mistakes have clearly been made; but it is not simply a problem of individual members of the board going in the wrong direction. It is a structural problem similar to that faced by many democratic institutions are fa ing - lack of clarity about where their authority comes from. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Saturday, January 27, 2024, 13:14:41 How many Trust members are there🤔
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Private Fraser on Saturday, January 27, 2024, 13:18:46 How many Trust members are there🤔 It’s on the home page of their website. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Saturday, January 27, 2024, 13:21:41 It’s on the home page of their website. Thanks Fraser. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: doversparkred on Saturday, January 27, 2024, 13:52:13 I’d be happy to stand for election to the trust, but I’m not an existing member so does that rule me out? I’ve never been a member before, and am not convinced the ground JV is a good idea, plus I live in Bath so plenty of reasons why I might not be a popular choice! But I’d love to find out where the bodies are buried and lobby for a community ownership bid and/or fan representation on the board, and generally try and sort the trust comms out.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, January 27, 2024, 14:21:10 I’d be happy to stand for election to the trust, but I’m not an existing member so does that rule me out? I’ve never been a member before, and am not convinced the ground JV is a good idea, plus I live in Bath so plenty of reasons why I might not be a popular choice! But I’d love to find out where the bodies are buried and lobby for a community ownership bid and/or fan representation on the board, and generally try and sort the trust comms out. You had to be a member on the 31st Dec I believe but you can always approach them after the AGM, once you are a member. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: doversparkred on Saturday, January 27, 2024, 14:34:53 You had to be a member on the 31st Dec I believe but you can always approach them after the AGM, once you are a member. Thanks Manc. As things stand I wouldn’t want to be a member, so that rules me out, but hopefully this will change following the election of a more considered and professional board. Can the trust co-opt people who aren’t members I wonder, or does that defeat the concept of one member one vote? Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Saturday, January 27, 2024, 14:37:56 They can co-opt people if the board is not full post AGM, but members have first dibs essentially. Someone becoming a board member probably has to join at that point though.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Saturday, January 27, 2024, 14:51:37 No is not an employer but people should surely act and behave in a way that is a good representation of the trust, my reference to a company was simply just an example of how in other situations / environments where people behave in a poor manner they have to align to policies and when those are broken there are consequences. I think we both know that the trust isn't a company, but hopefully you get my point now. Not tying to be clever but whether you volunteer for a organisation, are a boy scout there are rules and behaviours you have to adhere to, otherwise you find yourself no longer within those organisations. Drummer you have gone off on a political tangent and not stuck to the point of my message and argument with your thoughts, (deflecting away from areas that you don't want to discuss maybe), any organisation whether a not for profit, charity, company should be aim to have a team that works together to achieve their aims, its never about one person. However a rogue member that attacks and undermines the organisation they are part of and supposed to support in my view isn't a good look and not one i wish to be part of and sign up to. I think perhaps it needs a complete rethink on their aims and how they can work together as a team for the good of the fans, but perhaps a complete start from scratch is needed and not have legacy board members who have history of bizarre and unprofessional actions that i have eluded to above. If that was the case and the decks were clear without legacy baggage then maybe i would stand. Waffle. So basically don't grumble in public if things aren't right? Nah don't subscribe to that at all. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 12:56:39 If I am correct - if not enough people put their name forward to stand for election and have been nominated by a Trust member they will automatically get a place on the Trust board, but if there are more names than spaces on the board then an election will be held whereby Trust members will vote.
The new board will vote for who they decide will take over as chair. I would assume there will be a hand over period as well so existing board members can help those incoming learn the rules and make the introductions, there is a co opt option but that you would imagine to bring in anyone that may have something to add to the board that they may be missing in their skill sets, I don't think they have to be a member. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 13:18:21 Yes, no vote if there aren't at least eleven candidates this time.
Nominations close at noon tomorrow for any waverers - not really sure how quickly they'll announce the results/candidates. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 14:37:40 Is there a reason for so many Board member slots? Seems unlikely that you'd get an effective Board with so many people to listen to and work out a sense of direction. I don't mean that in terms of not needing to listen - of course the Board should work towards the benefit of it's members, but once they have that view understood, having 11 people trying to work out what to do with it must be cumbersome.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Power to people on Thursday, February 1, 2024, 12:38:50 Is there a reason for so many Board member slots? Seems unlikely that you'd get an effective Board with so many people to listen to and work out a sense of direction. I don't mean that in terms of not needing to listen - of course the Board should work towards the benefit of it's members, but once they have that view understood, having 11 people trying to work out what to do with it must be cumbersome. Different roles within the Trust, (fundraising, treasurer, vice chair, chair etc) but that is the maximum board members according to their articles, dont mean to say they fill all 11 spots Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: RobertT on Thursday, February 1, 2024, 13:50:02 It's too many, you can fill roles with volunteers, you don't need them as Board members.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, February 1, 2024, 15:25:46 It's too many, you can fill roles with volunteers, you don't need them as Board members. So they are too thinly spread but now they want too many board members. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: RobertT on Thursday, February 1, 2024, 15:29:16 So they are too thinly spread but now they want too many board members. Yes and yes - Board member should be there for decision making and direction. Volunteers and volunteer roles are fine for doing the donkey work required, but you can't expect to operate effectively and efficiently with 11 people trying to run the thing. I believe you start to get very messy beyond probably 6 or 7 people being at the top table. I'm not saying you don't need more than 6 or 7 people to get the work of the Trust done, but the Board is usually a very different beast to the machinations of those getting the footwork done, no? A more focused Trust, a leaner Board and then an army of helping hands + some paid for professional support (Legal/Financial expertise), would be far more effective in my mind. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: ron dodgers on Thursday, February 1, 2024, 21:48:28 Yes and yes - Board member should be there for decision making and direction. Volunteers and volunteer roles are fine for doing the donkey work required, but you can't expect to operate effectively and efficiently with 11 people trying to run the thing. Could not disagree more I believe you start to get very messy beyond probably 6 or 7 people being at the top table. I'm not saying you don't need more than 6 or 7 people to get the work of the Trust done, but the Board is usually a very different beast to the machinations of those getting the footwork done, no? A more focused Trust, a leaner Board and then an army of helping hands + some paid for professional support (Legal/Financial expertise), would be far more effective in my mind. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, February 1, 2024, 23:34:25 Yes and yes - Board member should be there for decision making and direction. Volunteers and volunteer roles are fine for doing the donkey work required, but you can't expect to operate effectively and efficiently with 11 people trying to run the thing. I believe you start to get very messy beyond probably 6 or 7 people being at the top table. I'm not saying you don't need more than 6 or 7 people to get the work of the Trust done, but the Board is usually a very different beast to the machinations of those getting the footwork done, no? A more focused Trust, a leaner Board and then an army of helping hands + some paid for professional support (Legal/Financial expertise), would be far more effective in my mind. The board members are the volunteers? The more board members the better as you get more diverse view points? The key is that people on the board respect that the decision has been made and get on with it. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: RobertT on Thursday, February 1, 2024, 23:43:07 I was suggesting a more professional set-up - a limited board focused on setting direction, making key decisions and overseeing the main two projects (ground and representation). Then you have roles identified that are filled by volunteers, based on personal skills and a desire to get involved. It seems odd to me that you'd need to be on the Board to do work for the Trust - is that what you are suggesting is the current set-up?
As an example - the Trust would need someone to be involved in managing communications, social media, website etc. That isn't, in my mind, a Board level role. It could be filled by one or several people, dedicating a number of hours to the cause, that have prior experience in those fields. They then report up to a Board member responsible for Overall Communication strategy, but likely also responsible for the membership admin and membership marketing teams. Just because it is a volunteer org, does not mean it has to be all equal sharing and everyone gets a seat at the big boys table. On a personal level, I can't see why anyone would want me on the Board given location and time zone. But, I could certainly do work for the Trust. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, February 2, 2024, 00:10:25 I was suggesting a more professional set-up - a limited board focused on setting direction, making key decisions and overseeing the main two projects (ground and representation). Then you have roles identified that are filled by volunteers, based on personal skills and a desire to get involved. It seems odd to me that you'd need to be on the Board to do work for the Trust - is that what you are suggesting is the current set-up? As an example - the Trust would need someone to be involved in managing communications, social media, website etc. That isn't, in my mind, a Board level role. It could be filled by one or several people, dedicating a number of hours to the cause, that have prior experience in those fields. They then report up to a Board member responsible for Overall Communication strategy, but likely also responsible for the membership admin and membership marketing teams. Just because it is a volunteer org, does not mean it has to be all equal sharing and everyone gets a seat at the big boys table. On a personal level, I can't see why anyone would want me on the Board given location and time zone. But, I could certainly do work for the Trust. I'm not saying that you need to be on the board to volunteer but from what I know the only people volunteering are the board members, I'm not sure where you think all these volunteers would come from? You also must remember that the members do have a say and approve all the current activities at the AGM. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: RobertT on Friday, February 2, 2024, 00:13:25 I'm not saying that you need to be on the board to volunteer but from what I know the only people volunteering are the board members, I'm not sure where you think all these volunteers would come from? If the Trust was operating in a professional manner, with a single website (as an example of issues they have had), pushing membership numbers and advertising the roles it needed people to fill, then I think they would get them. 1400+ have joined, they can easily get that above 2k I'd say, with the right operation. I have previously given my time to the Trust without being on the board and even without being a member at some points. As it is, who knows what they need doing? Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: DV on Friday, February 2, 2024, 01:06:14 I’m with Rob on this one & many years ago helped the trust when volunteers were asked for - I had no desirable or expert skills, just time really.
…but…back then I was an avid match goer every week. I knew who the Trust were. I knew who the board were and they communicated what they were working on. When a lot of things were going on they rent a conference room and just have an open invite meeting. Where they’d go through what they had been doing, what they plan on doing. What they needed help with. If very much felt like a board calling the shots & keeping their members in the loop. I guess kinda like a manager with employees or even a board with managers under them. Now it almost sounds like the Trust is a closed shop. The board is the Trust. They do what they do amongst themselves and that’s it. I wouldn’t know any of them from Adam and I don’t know what they are working on with regards to the club (apart from the AB minutes) Do they still have open meetings? Would it be a good idea to start them again? How many of the Trust members feel the trust actually represents them. How many members know what the Trust even do? Now, I will quantify with the fact - STFC is not my life anymore like it was back then. So, a lot of the stuff I’ve mentioned could be things that are happening and I’m just not seeing / hearing / paying enough attention to. It just comes across to me like the board is the Trust and members are subscribers. Almost like Netflix, we have a subscription in our household but aren’t involved in any decision making or action than Netflix undertake - maybe a better example would be a lapsed gym membership. You still pay but don’t see any benefit or have any idea what your money actually goes towards. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Simon Pieman on Friday, February 2, 2024, 09:16:36 The Trust of the past were far more willing to butt heads with the owners or board of the club. Now it seems they ask a few questions, get fed some info and pass it down the chain.
A lot of fans never bought into the Trust idea before as they couldn't see any tangible action or results. I'm sure there's a lot of work behind the scenes and the need to focus attention and control emotion on things which are most important but it's gone backwards so much since the earlier days. The purchase of the ground was rightly top priority and I think politics mean the Trust are afraid to get their elbows out as a result. I don't think it's lack of transparency, I personally feel it's a lack of credibility and engagement. Many fans interacted with the Trust members and board and chipped in before, but it seems siloed now. Nobody really cares what they are doing or what they have to say either. I know that's a brutal take on it, but it's an honest assessment. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, February 2, 2024, 09:34:30 It’s not brutal, it’s the truth. An organisation who’s sole reason for being is to prod club governance when it gets out of line is completely silent as the club is the worst governed it’s been in 20+ years. And they become defensive when that’s pointed out to them
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: doversparkred on Friday, February 2, 2024, 09:42:28 I was suggesting a more professional set-up - a limited board focused on setting direction, making key decisions and overseeing the main two projects (ground and representation). Then you have roles identified that are filled by volunteers, based on personal skills and a desire to get involved. It seems odd to me that you'd need to be on the Board to do work for the Trust - is that what you are suggesting is the current set-up? As an example - the Trust would need someone to be involved in managing communications, social media, website etc. That isn't, in my mind, a Board level role. It could be filled by one or several people, dedicating a number of hours to the cause, that have prior experience in those fields. They then report up to a Board member responsible for Overall Communication strategy, but likely also responsible for the membership admin and membership marketing teams. Just because it is a volunteer org, does not mean it has to be all equal sharing and everyone gets a seat at the big boys table. On a personal level, I can't see why anyone would want me on the Board given location and time zone. But, I could certainly do work for the Trust. Fully agree with this, and sorry to bring in Bath City as an example again but this is how the (fan-elected) board operates. The board is a combination of salaried and volunteer roles, and there are working groups with specific priorities/objectives and staffed by different people with relevant expertise who then report back to the board. For example, increasing attendances, ground maintenance, improving matchday experience, social media/comms and so on. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Power to people on Friday, February 2, 2024, 11:53:31 If your a trust member then you need to attend their AGM so they can explain what they have been up to and then be questioned by members
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, February 2, 2024, 12:08:29 If your a trust member then you need to attend their AGM so they can explain what they have been up to and then be questioned by members I cancelled my annual direct debit, but am i still a member until March when it started? I see the below when logging in: Membership plan #**** was placed on ** March 2023 and is currently hold. Any ideas? Totally lost faith in them but would consider attending to see whats going on. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Friday, February 2, 2024, 12:20:14 Did you receive the notice of Annual General Meeting email on 2nd Jan? I think that would probably only go to current members.
But yes, people who've stopped paying but have paid in advance is a strange grey area around membership. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, February 2, 2024, 13:42:36 Thanks- no i don't see that one. still get the comms updates but nothing about the agm
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: ron dodgers on Friday, February 2, 2024, 18:53:45 No you are definitely on hold
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 13:20:05 The following existing board members are seeking re-election:
Neil Hutchings Tom Paris Nemo Note: Paul Hedges was originally expected to re-stand and has clearly now decided not to In addition, we have received applications from the following new candidates: Adrian Male Andy Bennett Chris Howell James Phipps Nicholas Coote Despite there being fewer candidates than positions, in order to be elected applicants require 50% of the votes cast. Firstly, good on Bennett. Secondly, please ready your best Adrian Mole jokes. Finally, here are the candidates' statements: https://truststfc.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/AGM-2024-Society-Board-Application-Statements.pdf?mc_cid=d2f6135807&mc_eid=b6f3ac7ed5 Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 13:20:47 I want to vote for 2 people
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 13:27:30 To be clear you vote yes/no/abstain on each individual, you can vote in favour of all or in favour of none (if you truly believe in chaos!)
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 13:30:10 Lovely stuff. Andy and James it is for me then
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Mexicano Rojo on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 13:32:40 Its slightly disapointing there is no one younger on the list
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 13:35:41 I think my statement is pretty open and my prior swearing/ranting on the subject may speak for itself, but I am Happy to field any questions anyone has in DM
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 13:36:13 I think asking candidates from certain employment backgrounds didn't help
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Mexicano Rojo on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 13:37:56 I think my statement is pretty open and my prior swearing/ranting on the subject may speak for itself, but I am Happy to field any questions anyone has in DM Can I ask you to stop being polite? Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 13:38:23 You can in DM
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Ginginho on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 13:50:32 Well done, Bennett, and good luck mate.
I cancelled my direct debit I think in September/October time (£5 a month) as there were seldom updates from them, I never got replies to emails and seemed to lack any kind of direction. I didn't feel I got any value for my contribution. I think with passionate fans like yourself and the financial clout and business acumen of James Phipps the Trust can hopefully become an independent voice of the fans again that we can get behind. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 13:59:49 I think my statement is pretty open and my prior swearing/ranting on the subject may speak for itself, but I am Happy to field any questions anyone has in DM I'm also a BA, and this made me smile “it’s always been that way”. Infuriating :) Good luck Bennett. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 14:19:34 Well having read each candidates notes i can safely say i will not be voting for some of them.
My largest fear with the trust is that with all these changes, its direction over corrects and it becomes antagonistic and represent of the very angry minority. Not the angry or discontent majority. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 14:20:51 I'm also a BA, and this made me smile “it’s always been that way”. Infuriating :) (https://manhattan.fra1.digitaloceanspaces.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/20072942/mr-t-in-the-role-of-ba-baracus-in-the-a-team.jpeg)Good luck Bennett. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 14:21:56 It’s been a challenging couple of years, particularly in the last 6 months or so.
The Trust is going to go through a huge reset. Whilst it’s daunting practically starting again and there will a huge number of hours dedicated to the cause, I fundamentally believe there is a huge opportunity too. I joined the Trust 2 years ago with the belief that success on the pitch can only be achieved by a well run club off the pitch, which is where the Trust holds the club accountable to ensure that it is. The facts speak for themselves for where we are on this and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. However, with a complete change of leadership pending, I wholeheartedly believe that from the two of us re-standing for re-election will form a baseline to push forwards. Those standing for election for the first time, from reading their supporting statements, I think will be huge assets for the Trust too where likeminded individuals can form a strong, cohesive and dynamic board to really push in the way we all desire the Trust to hold the club accountable. There is a balance to this though. The Trust is not a vehicle for being antagonistic without cause or reason to. It needs to be be measured and strategic towards the desired outcome. I hope from my supporting statement that my opinions are clear to what direction, ethos and characteristics the Trust needs to adopt, being different to the general recent reputation that precedes the Trust. We need to aim to grow the membership and represent the fanbase but also to have the courage to have those adult conversations with the club about its direction off the field. To all those members that have stopped direct debits in protest or any other reason, I sincerely hope that if re-elected, I can be a driving force in demonstrating the changes we all want from the Trust ASAP and see your return. Like it or loath it, the Trust is the only vehicle that has the capability to represent the fanbase and holds the club accountable for its actions. BUT! Our voice is stronger when we work together as a fanbase and we will need everyone’s support, thoughts and opinions to make this happen. If you are a member and eligible to vote, please make your voice heard and your vote count. Meanwhile, if any members want to have a chat prior to voting, feel free to DM me and we can have a chat. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 14:29:34 where likeminded individuals can form a strong, cohesive and dynamic board to really push in the way we all desire the Trust to hold the club accountable. Wrong, wrong, wrong! The worst thing that can happen is the board is full of like minded individuals. Be that a group all thoroughly in the pro Clem camp as may have been the case in the past, or whatever stance it happens to be. For the trust to be effective the board should be a group of people that represent the fanbase and have different and opposing views, where healthy debate can lead the trust to take a sensible path forwards that everyone on the board gets behind. An echo chamber is the last thing we need. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 14:43:17 Wrong, wrong, wrong! I very much agree that an echo chamber (of any persuasion) is an unwanted outcome. But 'likeminded' doesn't have to mean people who agree on every detail and I don't think that's what was being implied - more a group of people pulling in the same direction with one purpose, rather than a board divided between those cosying up to friends and those actually furthering the aims of the society they represent.The worst thing that can happen is the board is full of like minded individuals. Be that a group all thoroughly in the pro Clem camp as may have been the case in the past, or whatever stance it happens to be. For the trust to be effective the board should be a group of people that represent the fanbase and have different and opposing views, where healthy debate can lead the trust to take a sensible path forwards that everyone on the board gets behind. An echo chamber is the last thing we need. I don't really know any of the candidates personally but am fairly pleased to see the calibre and experience being brought to the table. (A few misplaced apostrophes did cause some concern but I think I'm over it.) Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 14:54:30 Wrong, wrong, wrong! The worst thing that can happen is the board is full of like minded individuals. Be that a group all thoroughly in the pro Clem camp as may have been the case in the past, or whatever stance it happens to be. For the trust to be effective the board should be a group of people that represent the fanbase and have different and opposing views, where healthy debate can lead the trust to take a sensible path forwards that everyone on the board gets behind. An echo chamber is the last thing we need. 100% agree with you Riddick. I very much believe that now and more than ever, the Trust needs more strong and diverse voices to ensure the Trust moves in the right direction but the Trust needs to engage more with members, and the wider fanbase, to ensure all thoughts and opinions are heard and form part of the internal debate how the fanbase is represented publicly. So please allow me to correct that statement Riddick, “likeminded individuals that agree that it’s time for a change of direction with how the Trust operate, it’s purpose and how it represents the fanbase”. From a candidate background perspective, based on the supporting statements, I think everyone standing for election will diversify the board to create that debate internally that you speak of where needed. I can assure you, I’m very much in agreement that the Trust should not be an echo chamber or blindly operates on the opinion of a small group of key influencers. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bob1978 on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 15:12:34 All men which is fine but I can’t help but think it would help if there was a bit more balance.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 15:46:41 I voted for three of them, abstained on three. I also voted against two of the policies being suggested - they appeared to be extremely restrictive to me, for an organisation that does, from time to time, need to be about open debate. It's also very clear from my postings that I am vehemently against a Board of between 6 and 12 members!
I think it is a bit disappointing that so few have put themselves forward, and having some women involved would probably be a good idea as well. This does strike at one of the personal statements - the Trust really needs to focus on building it's membership base. I think that goes to the core of my own personal opinion that it needs to be much more focused on what it is working towards. To borrow a corporate golden child - Will it Make the Boat Go Faster? Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: swindontown2024 on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 15:54:36 Drummer, given your an existing board member who as we have previously highlighted dissed the org you volunteer for, what have you learnt from this experience which makes you think you wont do the same again and attack your own organisation. Maybe I am missing something but given you have been with the board along with 1 other re standing why have you not undertaken the key items you highlighted in your blurb and on here before? Sometimes when an organisation such as the trust has seen such issues as they have in the last year in my view its better to have a complete restart from scratch. I guess what I am saying is you want to res-stand but you were part of the old regime that in your blurb seem to suggest failed the fans for 2 years and you stated a lot was wrong, but why didn't you do something about that as a board member? Why should people vote for you to remain when this occurred. I am not being harsh just trying to work out your side of things.
Looking at the statements and profile of people i cant agree with your statement on the backgrounds and suitability, you have a group of men, no ladies or anyone from more diverse backgrounds so struggling to see how the new board will provide a better diverse position? Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 16:17:58 Without knowing, I’d hazard a guess no females put themselves forward.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 16:26:24 Without knowing, I’d hazard a guess no females put themselves forward. Indeed - hence my post. A lot of hard work needs to be done in rationalising what the Trust is aiming for, and then in expanding the membership base and seeking new talent to get involved. It should not just be about the Board either, there should be plenty of opportunities for Volunteer roles to support the Trust towards it's aims. That way you can go out and market for the right talent to get involved, and those people may be ready for a Board role next time around. There is no reason, with some form of representation or ownership as the primary goal, that the Trust can't be looking to get towards 4k+ as it's membership base. For reference, that's what Wrexham had before the takeover, I believe. Not saying it would be easy though. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 16:29:18 Talent is the word. I’d hope that only people who thought they could make a difference have put themselves forward.
Shoehorning people in isnt what’s needed. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 16:32:23 Drummer, given your an existing board member who as we have previously highlighted dissed the org you volunteer for, what have you learnt from this experience which makes you think you wont do the same again and attack your own organisation. Maybe I am missing something but given you have been with the board along with 1 other re standing why have you not undertaken the key items you highlighted in your blurb and on here before? Sometimes when an organisation such as the trust has seen such issues as they have in the last year in my view its better to have a complete restart from scratch. I guess what I am saying is you want to res-stand but you were part of the old regime that in your blurb seem to suggest failed the fans for 2 years and you stated a lot was wrong, but why didn't you do something about that as a board member? Why should people vote for you to remain when this occurred. I am not being harsh just trying to work out your side of things. Looking at the statements and profile of people i cant agree with your statement on the backgrounds and suitability, you have a group of men, no ladies or anyone from more diverse backgrounds so struggling to see how the new board will provide a better diverse position? Are you one of those standing Mr 2024? Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 16:40:35 Nah James stood down
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 16:41:59 Are you one of those standing Mr 2024? I dont think the response to interrogating candidates needs to automatically go to, 'well why are you not standing' everytime, its hardly the way to have proper debate. If that is what this candidate did previously then i think it fair to ask those questions honestly. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 16:48:06 Drummer, given your an existing board member who as we have previously highlighted dissed the org you volunteer for, what have you learnt from this experience which makes you think you wont do the same again and attack your own organisation. Maybe I am missing something but given you have been with the board along with 1 other re standing why have you not undertaken the key items you highlighted in your blurb and on here before? Sometimes when an organisation such as the trust has seen such issues as they have in the last year in my view its better to have a complete restart from scratch. I guess what I am saying is you want to res-stand but you were part of the old regime that in your blurb seem to suggest failed the fans for 2 years and you stated a lot was wrong, but why didn't you do something about that as a board member? Why should people vote for you to remain when this occurred. I am not being harsh just trying to work out your side of things. Looking at the statements and profile of people i cant agree with your statement on the backgrounds and suitability, you have a group of men, no ladies or anyone from more diverse backgrounds so struggling to see how the new board will provide a better diverse position? Diversity is more than gender and there is no boundary to who is welcome to be a member and stand for election. In regards to your comments of “not doing something about it”, without going into specifics, the board is bound by collective responsibility. However, I can assure you that I voiced my opposing opinions on a lot of things and my hope for a change in direction has never been higher. I hope to be part of that changing force to make the Trust align with the general sentiment of what has been said by many external to the Trust board. If I am not re-elected, it would be personally disappointing but my hope remains high in a change of direction. This does strike at one of the personal statements - the Trust really needs to focus on building it's membership base. I think that goes to the core of my own personal opinion that it needs to be much more focused on what it is working towards. To borrow a corporate golden child - Will it Make the Boat Go Faster? I don’t think it will make the boat go faster but I believe we need the Trust to engage more with the fanbase, paid or free members, to ensure all opinions are represented. At present, the Trust membership numbers, according to the Trust website, sits at circa 1,500 - that’s only representative of 15 to 20% of Saturday’s attendance, which means only a minority of fans are subscribed to hearing the latest news and information to how the Trust are representing the fanbase. Would love to see that increase so that as many thoughts and opinions are gathered to ensure all segments of the fanbase are included and contributing to shaping how the Trust represents and operates into the future. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 17:07:48 I dont think the response to interrogating candidates needs to automatically go to, 'well why are you not standing' everytime, its hardly the way to have proper debate. If that is what this candidate did previously then i think it fair to ask those questions honestly. That isn't what I'm getting at. Would just be nice to narrow it down to who he is if he is standing. He is clearly very passionate about the trust and has a bee in his bonnet about Drummer Boys criticism and liked tweets. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 17:10:09 From previous chats, Swindontown2024 isn't a member, so can't vote or stand
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 17:16:19 That isn't what I'm getting at. Would just be nice to narrow it down to who he is if he is standing. He is clearly very passionate about the trust and has a bee in his bonnet about Drummer Boys criticism and liked tweets. I see. I hadn't noticed his other posts. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 19:03:51 That isn't what I'm getting at. Would just be nice to narrow it down to who he is if he is standing. He is clearly very passionate about the trust and has a bee in his bonnet about Drummer Boys criticism and liked tweets. Sounds like a terrible version of Guess Who.. :sherlock: Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Wednesday, February 14, 2024, 14:07:46 I don't subscribe to the "run yourself or don't criticise" theory a lot do.....but I do wonder why he is taking a few liked tweets to heart if he isn't even a member.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Wednesday, February 14, 2024, 19:32:55 I don't subscribe to the "run yourself or don't criticise" theory a lot do.....but I do wonder why he is taking a few liked tweets to heart if he isn't even a member. I’m guessing it’s “Sam”. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 15, 2024, 09:01:33 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Saturday, February 24, 2024, 12:15:10 The Trust AGM is this Wednesday 7pm kick off in the Legends Lounge.
Voting is still open until Wednesday midday Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 10:02:10 Confirmation that all candidates were elected to the board. No news on the new Chair/Vice-Chair yet.
https://twitter.com/TrustSTFC/status/1763142170612051986 Bennett, why haven't you sorted everything yet? Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 10:08:18 Fuck sake Bennett you fucking Clem stoodge
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 10:08:51 Can't believe the new Trust leadership haven't found a buyer for the club and facilitated a take over yet. Sack the board.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 10:10:00 Bring back James Spencer - at least he was active on twitter
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 11:06:31 I have let you all down. I'm sorry
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: RobertT on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 13:33:10 Don't we get to see the vote counts? I want to know who the unpopular ones are, the ones we can pressure.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 13:43:07 In 2023, the vote counts were released a few days later: https://truststfc.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/TrustSTFC-2023-AGM.pdf
No candidate received more than four out of 156 votes against - and that was our old friend Bazil who is literally a Tory councillor which I imagine a few people would vote against on principle. Only two objected to JS. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: tans on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 13:53:02 What was the reason for James Spencer packing it in before the AGM anyway?
Put on the naughty step? Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Power to people on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 15:34:43 What was the reason for James Spencer packing it in before the AGM anyway? Put on the naughty step? Didn't he go rogue arguing with people that disagreed with him Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 16:08:35 Don't we get to see the vote counts? I want to know who the unpopular ones are, the ones we can pressure. Thank you for your inquiry, a Trust email will be coming to members shortly confirming details of the AGM xTitle: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: 4D on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 16:22:05 Shouldn't Bennett have some kind of rosette by his name or on his avatar?
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 16:32:24 Bamboo is the TEF creative, I'm sure he can hook my avatar up
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: McGurk's Missus on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 22:02:54 Bamboo is the TEF creative, I'm sure he can hook my avatar up Wish is my command (kinda), couldn't find any super HQ images of The Button Man but oh well. I felt a Masonic Mourning Rosette was quite apt :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: Edit: Updated image at request of Sir Bennett CBE ;) Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Leggett on Monday, March 4, 2024, 06:42:24 That suits him, I reckon
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: flammableBen on Monday, March 4, 2024, 06:50:05 wait, you dickheads voted bennet onto the trust board? hahahahahaha.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Power to people on Monday, March 4, 2024, 15:20:23 Nothing like a baptism of fire for the new trust board after the latest Axis revelations - although I'm sure Clem will be telling them it is nothing to worry about and it is all standard stuff
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Monday, March 4, 2024, 16:30:14 Edit: Updated image at request of Sir Bennett CBE ;) You are my favouriteTitle: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Monday, March 4, 2024, 18:08:17 I know that obviously they are in transistion bit i would still be keen to see the trust make some sort of statement after the last 2 days news
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: ron dodgers on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 00:58:36 "We're all getting on fine and the biscuits were divine"
There you go, the latest statement Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Sunday, March 10, 2024, 17:38:28 Trust intro email went out this morning, showing the voting patterns - lots more votes against than normal but everyone still got 83% + in favour.
Neil Hutchings chair, James Phipps vice, Scott Curtis (former treasurer who resigned) seems to have agreed to stay on interim Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, March 11, 2024, 08:33:50 Only one board member minus a photo in the intro email by the look of it.
Will have to assume that Bennett's avatar is a true likeness in the meantime. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Leggett on Monday, March 11, 2024, 08:53:50 Imagine if Richmond from the IT Crowd was a keen cyclist, and you've pretty much got it.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, March 11, 2024, 09:27:13 Imagine if Richmond from the IT Crowd was a keen cyclist, and you've pretty much got it. Almost wet myself laughing at that! (Sorry Mr B!) Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Monday, March 11, 2024, 09:33:50 Imagine if Richmond from the IT Crowd was a keen cyclist, and you've pretty much got it. you rascal!Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Sunday, March 17, 2024, 17:39:46 Don't think yesterday's Trust email to members has been posted here so...
We just wanted to write to you and give you an update on everything happening behind the scenes. Our first board meeting involved a lot of introductions, paperwork and documentation, so we know we’ve been quieter than we hoped to be. We want you to know that we are putting in the effort and are excited about the opportunities we, as a new board, can achieve with time. As you’ll have seen from previous emails, we elected people to their new roles and work has started to transition some of the admin work to the new board members. However, we also wanted to take this opportunity to set out a few commitments:
With this in mind: Axis NSW We are aware of the recent news article surrounding Axis NSW. However, as this is external to Swindon Town, it would not be appropriate for us to comment at this stage (see Commitment 1) but we are closely monitoring the situation. Fairgame We understand a report will be shared in April 2024, in which Fairgame brings unquestionable expertise and independence. We are glad the Trust could introduce Fairgame to the club and that the club has engaged with them, which is a great outcome. We hope this will improve transparency and we look forward to seeing their inaugural report. EFL fine We have also taken note of a fine against the club owner (not the Club) for failure to disclose share transfers, hopefully drawing a line under this issue. We hope that lessons have been learnt. Prices We are delighted the club has chosen to lower single ticket prices and frozen season ticket prices. In the recent Advisory Board, we expressed our disappointment at removing the Family 2 ticket category. Still, it is good news to see prices frozen or lowered when costs of living are rising. Trust engagement We want to maximise how we engage with you, and for each email to be meaningful. We are working out a strategy on this, and further communication will come, please give us a little time to work things out. Timelines As per Commitment 3, we will speak as a Board and will act with due consideration. This may mean that things take a little longer than a single person can respond, but as a collective, we believe this is the right approach. Relationship with owners We will seek to positively engage with Owners, by representing Supporter’s legitimate concerns, opinions and ideas without fear or favour. Where possible we will offer our advice and help to support the Club in the future to attain our mutual desire for success. We will also be prepared to call out issues that need to be improved upon or are in our view a hindrance to achieving success. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Saturday, March 30, 2024, 07:13:37 Vice Chair was on BBC wilts at 26mins if you fancy a listen
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0hg40nh Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: LucienSanchez on Saturday, March 30, 2024, 07:27:04 His weird, high pitched nervous laugh is amusing
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Leggett on Saturday, March 30, 2024, 14:49:46 A good listen, I thought.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Friday, April 5, 2024, 16:11:50 https://truststfc.com/2024/04/05/reflection-and-our-focus/
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, April 5, 2024, 16:12:39 This is a better place for it - I have removed my post :)
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: DV on Friday, April 5, 2024, 16:14:26 I think they plan to encourage & support…
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Quagmire on Friday, April 5, 2024, 16:28:31 Meh…
It’s all too late to encourage and support the owner in any aspect. The trust (no pun intended) has already been broken, and we can’t take a word the club say at face value. I can not for the life of me see the club changing anyone’s mind that has been made up on that. I do feel it’s a bit of a soft statement from the Trust and let’s the club off the hook, how many chances do the club need, how many lies do they need to tell before the Trust start demanding change? The damage has been done, and unfortunately the Trust don’t seem keen to do much about it. They are just toeing the line. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: theakston2k on Friday, April 5, 2024, 16:46:26 Meh the horse for all that bolted 2 years ago, it’s more softly softly stuff that Morfuni will just take advantage of.
The joint venture has ironically ruined the Trust as they are terrified of upsetting the club and not having a ‘working relationship’. Think we can count the Trust out of mobilising the fanbase. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Pericardinho on Friday, April 5, 2024, 17:00:23 Load of bollocks.
They 100% get the club to proof read that before submitting to the public. You cannot convince me otherwise. The trust are simply not fit for purpose. They are supposed to represent the fans. They absolutely do not speak for the current majority. Abolish. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Friday, April 5, 2024, 17:04:44 I think that's alright really. It's a bit later than I would like but better late than never and a clear shift in approach. Proof will be in what happens next.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, April 5, 2024, 17:14:35 Load of bollocks. They 100% get the club to proof read that before submitting to the public. You cannot convince me otherwise. The trust are simply not fit for purpose. They are supposed to represent the fans. They absolutely do not speak for the current majority. Abolish. Isn't this the 'new' board, you all wanted? Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: tans on Friday, April 5, 2024, 17:22:57 https://x.com/danwood_adver/status/1776289030486851894?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA
They havent been paying on time have they Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Friday, April 5, 2024, 17:47:57 People can make up their own mind on the Trust statement but here's my defence of it: it's a trap. There's a bunch of totally reasonable stuff in there that we highly suspect - but can't prove - that the club are breaking. The club can't publicly disagree with a lot of it, and if (when) they break it, that's reasonable grounds for.complaint. The rent thing is a good example, also the family friendly characters reference, we all know who they mean.
Totally get that a lot of fans are further along past the giving the.club a chance thing but this reads as trying to prove the malice to others - or, ideally, get the club to genuinely improve. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Friday, April 5, 2024, 18:44:00 https://x.com/danwood_adver/status/1776289030486851894?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA They havent been paying on time have they Not the first hint, is it? Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Leggett on Friday, April 5, 2024, 19:25:12 People can make up their own mind on the Trust statement but here's my defence of it: it's a trap. There's a bunch of totally reasonable stuff in there that we highly suspect - but can't prove - that the club are breaking. The club can't publicly disagree with a lot of it, and if (when) they break it, that's reasonable grounds for.complaint. The rent thing is a good example, also the family friendly characters reference, we all know who they mean. Totally get that a lot of fans are further along past the giving the.club a chance thing but this reads as trying to prove the malice to others - or, ideally, get the club to genuinely improve. Nail, head. Can't accuse them of anything without evidence. If there's no shady shit going on, those totally reasonable requests will be easy to meet. If not... Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: 4D on Friday, April 5, 2024, 20:11:33 Isn't this the 'new' board, you all wanted? Independent is the word you are struggling to find Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Friday, April 5, 2024, 20:19:08 Some are happy
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: DV on Friday, April 5, 2024, 20:32:08 Isn't this the 'new' board, you all wanted? I think ‘some’ wanted a ‘new’ board who would shout loud and call Clem a cunt and ask @STFC questions on twitter - as if they would even acknowledge it let alone answer it. Of course those ‘some’ call for that type of board are the type of people who would do the sorta things they wanted…but none of them will actually put their name forward. For me, the statement is a bit to ‘nice’ for my liking but kinda get the point the new board can’t go in all guns blazing at this point. They’ve made it clear what they expect to see from the club going forward and they have offered their help. Hopefully when the club inevitably do not deliver on any of the set out points and completely refuse any ‘encouragement or support’ from the Trust - then they earn they keep so to speak. Let’s see what they do after they given the club ‘a chance’ that will be the important bit Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: RedRag on Friday, April 5, 2024, 20:32:25 "We will seek to positively engage with Owners, by representing Supporter’s legitimate concerns, opinions and ideas without fear or favour. Where possible we will offer our advice and help to support the Club in the future to attain our mutual desire for success. We will also be prepared to call out issues that need to be improved upon or are in our view a hindrance to achieving success."
It has been an issue for Companies House, never mind the Trust, identifying the actual shareholders. Let alone the indebtedness of the those shareholders to third parties. There is a JV with an acquisition agreement that includes legal obligations to develop the Ground. The Trust is still being kept in the dark on ownership and owner indebtedness and there are no plans or funding sources identified for Ground development. Only evidence of late payments. Of under resourced management in terms of admin and coaching. Of inadequate training facilities. Of a pitch in decline. Of the near guaranteed worst ever finish in STFC history. Of falling season ticket sales compared to last year. The Trust needs to wake the **** up and smell the coffee. Its duties are to its members, the club and its supporters. Not to the owners for the time being of the club. On the whole, clubs either move forward or stagnate and soon enough decline. If we are not moving forward after everything the Eadie Trust has gifted, then that is most definitely NOT satisfactory and answers need to be sought NOW. And spare us any "calling out" when it is all too late. We've been (quite rightly) trying the constructive partnership approach long enough. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, April 5, 2024, 22:37:41 Independent is the word you are struggling to find No it's not - 'new' is the word I used. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Saturday, April 6, 2024, 07:47:04 People can make up their own mind on the Trust statement but here's my defence of it: it's a trap. There's a bunch of totally reasonable stuff in there that we highly suspect - but can't prove - that the club are breaking. The club can't publicly disagree with a lot of it, and if (when) they break it, that's reasonable grounds for.complaint. The rent thing is a good example, also the family friendly characters reference, we all know who they mean. I think setting traps would have been the right way to have gone 6-12 months ago. Can be really effective too just like those early PMQ's between Starmer and Johnson. But feel that there isn't really a huge silver bullet in the list of encouragements that would have any immediate short term impact, especially with how perilous our situation is now for immediate action to prevent entering non-league in 25/26. The one that's most interesting is the late payment of rent, but I feel the club could easily swing that as another admin error or prioritising playing budget, or fans need to put more money in etc that won't divide the fanbase anymore than they already are. The family friendly characters and converting loans to equity points I feel could easily be addressed by club too. Clem always has a quick defence when it comes to the character questions already and the wider fanbase don't seem to be really aware of whose frequenting the boardroom/matchday hospitality. I'm sure with the equity front they'd have an easy no to give. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Saturday, April 6, 2024, 12:53:09 For me, the statement is a bit to ‘nice’ for my liking but kinda get the point the new board can’t go in all guns blazing at this point. They’ve made it clear what they expect to see from the club going forward and they have offered their help. Hopefully when the club inevitably do not deliver on any of the set out points and completely refuse any ‘encouragement or support’ from the Trust - then they earn they keep so to speak. Let’s see what they do after they given the club ‘a chance’ that will be the important bit This is where I'm at with it. The wording is way to nicey nicey for me but it also reads that they might be trying to trap the club in to certain things if they don't cooperate and act correctly. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: McGurk's Missus on Saturday, April 6, 2024, 13:43:51 I think it is a kind ultimatum of commitments the Trust want the club to meet. That's how I read it. Although I still wince and become triggered at the phrase ''critical friend''
I do hope that the new board of the Trust does indeed become a genuine ''critical friend'' and that they most definitely stop being Press Liaison Officers for the owner{s} Proof of the pudding will be in the eating of course. I wasn't expecting a gung-ho approach and showing all of their hand with an aggressive attack but it did feel a smidge ''too nice''. As above though, there is a list of expectations laid down by the Trust to the Club, and I want them to hold them to it at the first signs of failing to do so. Then I will be more assured that the Trust is on track in representing the supporters first, before any cosying up to the STFC board goes on {as was evidently the case with some over excited :pint: Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: DV on Saturday, April 6, 2024, 14:22:33 This is where I'm at with it. The wording is way to nicey nicey for me but it also reads that they might be trying to trap the club in to certain things if they don't cooperate and act correctly. If it was the ‘old’ board I’d be very much it’s the same old, same old. …but…as it’s a new board I think they need to go in with the nice approach first before they do in with the loaded gun so to speak. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Steak supper on Saturday, April 6, 2024, 15:23:16 Supporters expect too much from the trust. It seems to me there isn't much they can actually do .
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 8, 2024, 13:44:46 James Phipps on Radio Wiltshire tonight, not sure if it's just a "getting to know the new board" interview or something else.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: McGurk's Missus on Monday, April 8, 2024, 18:42:35 James Phipps on Radio Wiltshire tonight, not sure if it's just a "getting to know the new board" interview or something else. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0hkq7s9 Listen from 10mins Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 8, 2024, 18:58:51 So not new information, just talking about the statement made in the week. What was interesting was that Phipps chose to raise the cashflow in particular as a concern - RobT will be pleased with that.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, April 9, 2024, 10:01:38 Not sure if anyone on here works in/has dealings with HR departments, but just thinking about it a bit and re-reading the Trust statement... they've basically put the club on a performance improvement plan (PIP) right?
The statement is "here are some things you've done well, here are areas for improvement, here are some targets we'd like to agree" structurally. Made me smile, but I suppose the problem is... the Trust can't actually sack the club! Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Leggett on Tuesday, April 9, 2024, 12:05:05 But once they publicly miss those targets or fail to make the improvements, the Trust would have grounds to be publicly critical of the owner, which they currently don't really have...
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, April 9, 2024, 12:12:40 The Swindon Town Supporters Trust Vice Chair has said that he does not believe the club are fully aware of the scale of negative feelings among supporters.
James Phipps, the newly elected Vice Chair of the Trust, was speaking to BBC Radio Wiltshire and said that the new board was hoping to canvas supporter feelings as widely as they could to help bring those concerns to Swindon. He said: “I have spoken to lots and lots of fans who for the first time in their entire life are looking at not having a season ticket next year and that makes me deeply sad and very frustrated. “What you are trying to do is make sure that we are bringing all voices because you can sometimes have a very vocal few, but we are there to represent all. “We need to make sure that every single one of those is heard so that there are sensible conversations and sensible things that we can go back to the club with and say, ‘this is black and white, you are going to get a tough job in renewing season tickets for next year’. “Let’s put a number on that because we have got enough members now that we can give you a number that is very indicative that it will be tough. “Whereas I think that the club felt with a few wins, etcetera, it will be ok, and I am not sure they understand in some ways the level of feeling around the fans. “So, we are there to encompass all of those people and then when we are talking to the club, we are giving them very clear, very concise, and factually led conversations.” Phipps said that the Trust had to walk the line between being critical and working with the club, but the new board had already made their feelings clear. He said: “What we are trying to do is things that will help in the medium and long term and to do that you do have to maintain a working relationship with the club. “What I can tell you is that some of those conversations since the new board have come in have been very direct with the club. “We are very clear in our statement that there are some red lines we are starting to put in and if they do certain things then we will react to that very publicly and very clearly.” Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, April 9, 2024, 12:18:00 The Swindon Town Supporters Trust Vice Chair has said that he does not believe the club are fully aware of the scale of negative feelings among supporters. James Phipps, the newly elected Vice Chair of the Trust, was speaking to BBC Radio Wiltshire and said that the new board was hoping to canvas supporter feelings as widely as they could to help bring those concerns to Swindon. He said: “I have spoken to lots and lots of fans who for the first time in their entire life are looking at not having a season ticket next year and that makes me deeply sad and very frustrated. “What you are trying to do is make sure that we are bringing all voices because you can sometimes have a very vocal few, but we are there to represent all. “We need to make sure that every single one of those is heard so that there are sensible conversations and sensible things that we can go back to the club with and say, ‘this is black and white, you are going to get a tough job in renewing season tickets for next year’. “Let’s put a number on that because we have got enough members now that we can give you a number that is very indicative that it will be tough. “Whereas I think that the club felt with a few wins, etcetera, it will be ok, and I am not sure they understand in some ways the level of feeling around the fans. “So, we are there to encompass all of those people and then when we are talking to the club, we are giving them very clear, very concise, and factually led conversations.” Phipps said that the Trust had to walk the line between being critical and working with the club, but the new board had already made their feelings clear. He said: “What we are trying to do is things that will help in the medium and long term and to do that you do have to maintain a working relationship with the club. “What I can tell you is that some of those conversations since the new board have come in have been very direct with the club. “We are very clear in our statement that there are some red lines we are starting to put in and if they do certain things then we will react to that very publicly and very clearly.” All sounds very promising from the trust. Proof will be in the pudding because we know it will end up going wrong at some point Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, April 9, 2024, 12:33:19 I think that line about red lines fits neatly with what some have suggested regarding setting expectations/traps. I saw a lot of anger when the statement came out and I get where people are coming from, they're frustrated and they want change now. Personally, I was happy with what was said as long as there is a strong stance when the club fails on any of the key requirements - that's what's been lacking until now.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 19:00:03 I see Trust member Nick Coote has deleted his twitter account. Definite James Spencer vibes there.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 21:04:43 I see Trust member Nick Coote has deleted his twitter account. Definite James Spencer vibes there. Really, probably for the best Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: STFC_Manc on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 22:53:40 I see Trust member Nick Coote has deleted his twitter account. Definite James Spencer vibes there. I've not seen anything wrong with his tweets, trying to explain in more detail. The exchange I saw was around a fan claiming the trust had to fund 50% off all developments, which is wrong but the fan wouldn't have it. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 23:14:07 I actually thought James Phipps did a pretty good job of articulating the ground ownership and responsibilities in his interviews. The previous Board were very close to the project around purchasing the ground, and struggled a little to offer the same calculated separation of responsibilities, so I can understand some fans being a little confused.
It is now clear that the JV is the owner and custodian of the land upon which the football club operates. The JV approves leases and development requests, and in both cases has provided a long term lease to STFC whom must determine their plans for development. The JV risks having to offer the ownership back to the Council if certain triggers are not met (although it seems unlikely the Council would actually force a sale back to them). The club is expected to present plans to the JV (where they have a say as joint owners, but nor a controlling interest). The JV's other partners (the Trust and Eady Estate) have a desire to push for development due to their common interest in seeing STFC be a success. The only grey area for me, is whether or not the JV has the ability to enforce action - for example, if the club leaves the ground to fall into a state of disrepair, can the Freeholder enforce maintenance? I would presume it can. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, April 11, 2024, 05:51:18 I've not seen anything wrong with his tweets, trying to explain in more detail. The exchange I saw was around a fan claiming the trust had to fund 50% off all developments, which is wrong but the fan wouldn't have it. That wasn't the tweet that causes the furore though. That tweet clarifying 50% funding was completely fine.The one that did was where he was gaslighting fans to lower their expectations of ground redevelopment, specifically replying to a tweet which was the plans the actual club outlined in 21/22. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Thursday, April 11, 2024, 07:08:03 If anyone wants to ask Tom and I non-cheese related questions on the LSPOD, you have any opportunity
https://x.com/LoathedStranger/status/1778053297028403589 Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 11, 2024, 07:26:33 That wasn't the tweet that causes the furore though. That tweet clarifying 50% funding was completely fine. The one that did was where he was gaslighting fans to lower their expectations of ground redevelopment, specifically replying to a tweet which was the plans the actual club outlined in 21/22. Keith Melon sees what he wants to see. He also used the cleaning of the Rolex clock as an example of what the money for ground maintenance was for. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, April 11, 2024, 10:06:00 Interesting snippets from James Phipps in the Adver this morning. Apologies if this is old news from previous interviews but it was new to me:
“What we have tried to do is to say that these are the lines we want you to know." “I can’t force somebody to give honesty, but what we can say is that if you are not honest and it is clear you are not honest then you are going to be challenged by The Trust on that. “If you break the rules, which you did both with HMRC and the Football League, etcetera, then that is not going to go unanswered by The Trust.” https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/24245789.truststfc-become-critical-friend-swindon-town/ Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, April 11, 2024, 11:38:32 That wasn't the tweet that causes the furore though. That tweet clarifying 50% funding was completely fine. The one that did was where he was gaslighting fans to lower their expectations of ground redevelopment, specifically replying to a tweet which was the plans the actual club outlined in 21/22. That's the one I saw, and he seemed to get a bit of stick for that. I've not seen the one you mention. Title: Re: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Thursday, April 11, 2024, 11:43:33 That's the one I saw, and he seemed to get a bit of stick for that. I've not seen the one you mention. I thought his tweet was more like Reg's old line on Ground redevelopment 'wait until the diggers and builders are on site before believing it's happening'.Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 14:08:38 The LSPod Trust Q & A pod is up with Bennett and Former Drummer Boy (Andy & Tom).
It's certainly one for any connoisseur of nervous laughter. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: iParadise on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 14:35:31 The LSPod Trust Q & A pod is up with Bennett and Former Drummer Boy (Andy & Tom). It's certainly one for any connoisseur of nervous laughter. Cant wait to listen on the way home with gritted teeth! Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Leggett on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 17:29:02 A good listen I thought, answered the questions they could.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 08:07:05 A good listen I thought, answered the questions they could. I thought it was alright. Bit concerning how seemingly unprepared they are for anything going south, but I'm not *surprised* by that. Most of Twitter seems to think that it was pure Clem apologism. I do think quite a lot of the online fanbase simply won't be happy unless the Trust issue a statement that just reads "they're all a bunch of crooked cunts" in size 72 impact at this point. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 09:35:55 They didn’t actually answer many questions though, it was very MP esq.
Lots of pivoting. We still have no idea if the club has missed a rental payment for example. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bob1978 on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 10:18:53 Surely the rent within 30 days needs to be in the terms of agreement and if it’s not they’ve made a mistake.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 10:27:51 Surely the rent within 30 days needs to be in the terms of agreement and if it’s not they’ve made a mistake. Admin error.Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 10:50:14 Surely the rent within 30 days needs to be in the terms of agreement and if it’s not they’ve made a mistake. This has now been explicitly stated by the Trust. I reckon payments didn't reach the account on the day they thought, but since "late" was loosely defined until now, at least publically, then this is a clean slate with a clear bounding and consequence. Fair enough IMO Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 16:49:40 This has now been explicitly stated by the Trust. This again highlights the problem doesn't, We shouldn't have to think we should know. It's a simple yes or no that the trust should be answering when asked. Has there been any missed or late paymentsI reckon payments didn't reach the account on the day they thought, but since "late" was loosely defined until now, at least publically, then this is a clean slate with a clear bounding and consequence. Fair enough IMO Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: STFC_Manc on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 17:49:27 This again highlights the problem doesn't, We shouldn't have to think we should know. It's a simple yes or no that the trust should be answering when asked. Has there been any missed or late payments I've not listened to it, what was the question on the rent? Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 18:12:01 Have they paid it on time or have they missed any payments
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: STFC_Manc on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 18:16:57 Have they paid it on time or have they missed any payments Guessing it wasn't a yes or no answer by the comments. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bob1978 on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 18:32:10 It was some sort of politicians answer - between them - Rich and the Trust guys- they just seemed to be giggling about the questions. Not sure why they all seemed reasonable.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 18:58:59 It was some sort of politicians answer - between them - Rich and the Trust guys- they just seemed to be giggling about the questions. Not sure why they all seemed reasonable. The questions were pretty... fierce. It's a bit awkward asking people difficult questions, even if they're not your own. Rich probably wouldn't consider himself to be Jeremy Paxman exactly! Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 19:14:53 Have they paid it on time or have they missed any payments Dodged the question by explaining what they’ve set out in the recent comm about making it public if it’s late.Bizarrely there was no follow up question :doh: About half way through, nothing groundbreaking so far and not sure it’s warranted some of the outrage on Twitter. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 19:36:27 Outrage? I've genuinely not seen that
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: McGurk's Missus on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 23:09:58 Anyone fancy dropping the link to this please?
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 04:38:29 https://open.spotify.com/episode/5MkakOqLB4e3loxPCBCnYE?si=707411603db44c91
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Audrey on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 07:39:56 History suggests that if the question is whether rent is paid on time or not and there is obfuscation, you can probably deduce the answer is it has not.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 08:07:23 Is it possible that it’s as simple as the club pay the rent on the day it’s due, but the JV don’t receive the money for 3 working days?
I know this means giving the club the benefit of the doubt (which they don’t really deserve at the moment), but could explain a discrepancy. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 08:13:42 I think as Dean says, this is easily cleared up if the Trust want to. But I guess we know going forward what "late" means.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: tans on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 08:16:24 History suggests that if the question is whether rent is paid on time or not and there is obfuscation, you can probably deduce the answer is it has not. Indeed Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Riddick on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 08:18:20 Ref late payments, the fact it wasnt clearly answered is all the answer you need. Yes there have been late payments. If they had been on time the trust would have no problem confirming.
The challenge there is ref the Trusts role as a critical friend, and how critical its appropriate to be, during what timescale, and to who. This new board are prepped to be more confrontational, who knows if thats good or bad, lets see over time. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 08:35:09 Why can’t a schedule just be released saying when the club was invoiced and when money was received?
This isn’t commercially sensitive info, and open & transparent keeps getting preached so there should be no issue letting people see this if everything is ok?! That would put this to bed once and for all, but all the skirting round the issue is making it look like there is something to hide! Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 08:36:05 I think a club not being able/willing to pay its bills on time is pretty much the definition of commercially sensitive information, no?
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 08:46:57 In any case, does it matter now beyond adding to the cash flow issues/incompetent worry.
We now know the trust has committed to taking us anything > 30 days past invoice will be communicated. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 09:13:18 I think a club not being able/willing to pay its bills on time is pretty much the definition of commercially sensitive information, no? Possibly but they have recently added the statement about if not paid on time going forward they will release so i am not sure it isTitle: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Berniman on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 09:36:38 In any case, does it matter now beyond adding to the cash flow issues/incompetent worry. We now know the trust has committed to taking us anything > 30 days past invoice will be communicated. The 30 days is fair enough, fans shouldn't know when the club are 3, 7, 10 days late paying a bill unless the lateness of paying something delivers a penalty, then we should know. If it's 30 days, which is effectively missing a payment, then we should be made aware for sure. Lets' not get obsessed with one small piece of a bigger picture, the new trust board have set out the criteria so let's monitor it moving forward. It matters little now whether they were late in the past as long as they are currently up to date with payments. It's clear that the organisation has been all over the place and the financials are also all over the place, the new board are trying to draw a line and say, from this point on we will hold you accountable and call you out - let's let that happen. Edit: Not aimed at you Batch, just quoted your post for context Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 09:50:16 I listened to the pod and I appreciate the Trust board are in a difficult position, owing to the fact that there is no visible alternative to Morfuni and co.
However, the stated aim to “persuade and collaborate” will not work with this regime. We all know that so it is pointless debating it. We know how they operate now. They have zero interest in collaborating with the Trust, other than to the extent that it serves a purpose of legitimising the people that own the club - whether in name or otherwise. I personally think it would be far more effective to take a more direct approach and vocally call out their failure to pay supplier, the JV, failure to submit proper development plans, failure to have any credible plan on the pitch. By doing so, the upshot may well be that they are cut adrift as Power did. That’s telling in itself. Be the truth tellers, publicly. In doing that, it may actually galvanise the fan base out of its slumber to be vocal against the regime, which may in turn twist their arm into pursuing a sale or being receptive to those that show an interest, if more of a light can be shone on the way they are running the club and make it thoroughly unpleasant for them to be at the club. The alternative is the status quo. Turn up to AB meetings. Get fobbed off. Don’t speak out. Legitimise crooks. And be right where we are this time next year, or worse. We need a return to the spirit of when the Trust was formed, with the directness of Paul D and Andy Ratcliffe. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 09:55:37 They have zero interest in collaborating with the Trust, other than to the extent that it serves a purpose of legitimising them. I'm not sure about this. There are elements within the club that this is true of, absolutely, but there are also parts of the club that clearly are trying to do good stuff on a near zero budget. I think that's what's so tricky here, "the club" is an erratic mess which obviously it *shouldn't* be with one decision maker. They clearly are doing things that aren't directly money making - the women's team for example is clearly them trying to do the "right" thing even when it isn't commercially viable in the short term. The fan zone similarly, whilst half arsed, doesn't seem like something that Lee Power era management would ever have considered. There are nefarious elements, there are incompetent elements and there are a few people (entirely employees at the club rather than senior management) who are doing good things in tough circumstances. Torpedoing the whole thing is a big step for the Trust. Should they be further along the path to that point? Probably. But that's the fault of the previous two years of head in the sand ignoring red flags, rather than what this board have done in their two months. Or at least, that's my position - your mileage may well vary! I do think that what you're describing is certainly one way in which it could play out with the current board - they're just not there yet. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 09:58:54 owing to the fact that there is no visible alternative to Morfuni and co. Interested parties are probably doing themselves a disservice not going public at the moment. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 10:00:49 Interested parties are probably doing themselves a disservice not going public at the moment. Its a rock and a hard place though.If they break cover then it could be used by the club as a leverage tool to put the price of the club up, or start a bidding war between a couple of prospective buyers. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 10:03:19 I'm not sure about this. There are elements within the club that this is true of, absolutely, but there are also parts of the club that clearly are trying to do good stuff on a near zero budget. I think that's what's so tricky here, "the club" is an erratic mess which obviously it *shouldn't* be with one decision maker. They clearly are doing things that aren't directly money making - the women's team for example is clearly them trying to do the "right" thing even when it isn't commercially viable in the short term. The fan zone similarly, whilst half arsed, doesn't seem like something that Lee Power era management would ever have considered. There are nefarious elements, there are incompetent elements and there are a few people (entirely employees at the club rather than senior management) who are doing good things in tough circumstances. Torpedoing the whole thing is a big step for the Trust. Should they be further along the path to that point? Probably. But that's the fault of the previous two years of head in the sand ignoring red flags, rather than what this board have done in their two months. Or at least, that's my position - your mileage may well vary! I do think that what you're describing is certainly one way in which it could play out with the current board - they're just not there yet. By “them” I mean Morfuni, Austin, and the lurkers. Not the good people who turn up, work, and want the club to be a success. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: DV on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 10:05:54 Don’t think interested parties need to go full on public but would be well served to make themselves known to the Trust at this point…
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 10:08:40 By “them” I mean Morfuni, Austin, and the lurkers. Not the good people who turn up, work, and want the club to be a success. Totally appreciate you mean that, but if the Trust went on a war footing against the top brass, they'd be blackballed from being able to work with the club in any way, as in the latter stages of Power. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 10:09:44 Don’t think interested parties need to go full on public but would be well served to make themselves known to the Trust at this point… Yes I think thats a decent option if they wish to stay private.Totally appreciate you mean that, but if the Trust went on a war footing against the top brass, they'd be blackballed from being able to work with the club in any way, as in the latter stages of Power. Very much agree.Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 10:16:29 Don’t think interested parties need to go full on public but would be well served to make themselves known to the Trust at this point… Probably a better option, yeah. Even if it comes with NDAs. At least The Trust can confirm there have been offers publicly at that point. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 10:17:02 So in order to speak with FITC, the Commercial guy, and others involved in the community work, we sacrifice the objective of creating lasting change at the club?
It sounds like a great approach, if your name is Zavier or Clemente. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 10:18:56 Don’t think interested parties need to go full on public but would be well served to make themselves known to the Trust at this point… As mentioned in the pod, they'd have to do that some point through the JV if there was a change of representation. I guess that's 'after the fact' ? Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: DV on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 10:27:38 Probably a better option, yeah. Even if it comes with NDAs. At least The Trust can confirm there have been offers publicly at that point. I’ve said time & time again - some more people will wake up to goings on if they is a known viable alternative. That part of problem with regards to ownership; as far as we know are options are Clem (and gang) or the gang (and Clem) and we can do whatever we want from chanting to sacrificing pigs on the pitch during a game but that won’t help a change of ownership if there isn’t anyone buying. I know it was a different time (and he never actually bought the club in the end) but Bill Power was there, was visible, face was on the Adver, he was at games, he was at Trust meetings - the fanbase (even the ‘only interested in the football’ parts) knew who he was - that he existed - what he wanted. We need an alternative (not shit Sherlock) but we need a known alternative to get behind (which again ironically is exactly what Clem did to win over people on the first place) people liked Clem because he wasn’t Power (at the time!!) Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: UTR on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 10:57:50 I’ve said time & time again - some more people will wake up to goings on if they is a known viable alternative. That part of problem with regards to ownership; as far as we know are options are Clem (and gang) or the gang (and Clem) and we can do whatever we want from chanting to sacrificing pigs on the pitch during a game but that won’t help a change of ownership if there isn’t anyone buying. I know it was a different time (and he never actually bought the club in the end) but Bill Power was there, was visible, face was on the Adver, he was at games, he was at Trust meetings - the fanbase (even the ‘only interested in the football’ parts) knew who he was - that he existed - what he wanted. We need an alternative (not shit Sherlock) but we need a known alternative to get behind (which again ironically is exactly what Clem did to win over people on the first place) people liked Clem because he wasn’t Power (at the time!!) Agree with the premise but it’s sadly not how credible buyers move nowadays, at least until latter stages at the earliest. They remain in the shadows. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 11:52:58 The problem we are facing is that any potential buyer is seeing a myriad of risks when thinking about purchasing the club. Going public does not mitigate any of those risks and puts pressure on them to complete a deal that they are likely backing away from anyway.
Who buys a business when a court case is still hanging over who the past owner was, which in turn could have serious implications on who owns the shares as things stand? Plus even those shares were diluted by two further interested parties and a loan deal that is at best opaque. On top of that, the outcome of that legal effort could very well influence an FA charge, that could seriously impact the league we play in. Basically we are asking buyers to part with cash without knowing whether they end-up owning the business properly, or what their revenue is likely to be. I imagine these are the very things that Bathford's Accountants and Lawyers have warned about. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 11:55:35 And I forgot to mention that there is the issue of triggering pre-emption rights in the Holding Co.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 11:56:03 Is the ownership court case likely to happen this year?
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 12:00:14 I really struggle to fathom how the civil case between Power and Standing can have implications on the club bar penalising due to an Agent fund the club. The case is civil and not against STFC. The shares potentially at risk have since been sold. I feel the case is purely Standing trying to recoup funds from Power.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 12:16:59 implications on the club bar penalising due to an Agent fund the club. Isn't agent owning the club is an outcome (for the period in question). One says loan, the other says for shares? Had a 2 mnute look, but can't find the edxplicit ownership rules. But they are there. Did this get resolved, or is this the current charge awaiting court descisions? https://www.thefa.com/news/2021/apr/07/intermediary-regulations-breaches-070421 Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 12:23:52 It's not so much that the court could find "against" the club - the club isn't a party to the court case, it's Standing v Power, but that information could emerge in the course of that case that leads to the FA charging the club separately.
The club's best case scenario is probably Standing/Power settling out of court. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 12:40:54 It's not so much that the court could find "against" the club - the club isn't a party to the court case, it's Standing v Power, but that information could emerge in the course of that case that leads to the FA charging the club separately. The club's best case scenario is probably Standing/Power settling out of court. As in an additional charge or charges over & above the exist one on the books against the club, Power, Standing & Barry? Always the chance of some very dirty washing being aired if it can't be settled out of court I guess. In a way it might be better if all of the details around the "loan" do come out into the open. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 15:53:19 I really struggle to fathom how the civil case between Power and Standing can have implications on the club bar penalising due to an Agent fund the club. The case is civil and not against STFC. The shares potentially at risk have since been sold. I feel the case is purely Standing trying to recoup funds from Power. Given all deals were initially verbal, any buyer would have a risk alerted to them of that previous handover of ownership possibly creating some messy future civil claims. If Power didn't have the right to sell the other 50%, he didn't have the right to set the price, and while that may be at arms length, it still creates questions. We also cannot know why Standing allowed the sale to occur at the time - he had an injunction that meant he could have blocked it. There could be a side deal hanging around. The bigger issue of course is around the FA charge that remains hovering above us - which is unlikely to be decided until the ownership situation is legally settled. Who buys a business with so many unanswered questions. Not to mention the potential contracts we have signed up to with "friends". Karachi for example - nobody really knows what STFC is on the hook for. It's in, it's out, it's shaking all over the fucking place. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 17:02:50 I really struggle to fathom how the civil case between Power and Standing can have implications on the club bar penalising due to an Agent fund the club. The case is civil and not against STFC. The shares potentially at risk have since been sold. I feel the case is purely Standing trying to recoup funds from Power. It won't have implications for the shares or who owns the club, as it is Power vs Standing and neither have ownership of the club. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 17:07:23 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd80ApZ8raQ-cExy1pOWYQwr-vgV_JziotbXs8Gcby4xN7IEg/viewform
The trust are pushing this end of season supporter survey. All supporters, not just members. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Steak supper on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 17:14:25 Is the ownership court case likely to happen this year? I commented a few days ago that we couldnt find any info on progress - I have been told that info on cases can be looked at on the internet . we need someone who knows about this sort of thing to look into it . I assume the trust could actually do something and get a lawyer to find out more Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 18:46:02 It won't have implications for the shares or who owns the club, as it is Power vs Standing and neither have ownership of the club. Ownership, in a legal sense, no. Ownership in a verbal backroom deal that could exist, nobody knows. As mentioned, Standing had an injunction to prevent Power from selling, he provided the OK for Clem to purchase the business even though he continued to seek redress with Power (think they were suing each other at one point, but pretty sure it is the Standing vs Power case that remains). If Standing believed he owned 50% of the club, why did he not seek to block a sale and ask for some money? That is the type of question that would hang around when a potential buyer is assessing risks. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Audrey on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 19:33:41 If he did/does own 50% of the club then, surely, he’s only legally entitled to 50% of the £212,500 Power sold the club for. Any side deal between the 2 has fuck all to do with the club now.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: McGurk's Missus on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 22:20:52 https://open.spotify.com/episode/5MkakOqLB4e3loxPCBCnYE?si=707411603db44c91 Cheers Andy, much appreciated :) Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Friday, April 26, 2024, 04:50:08 I won't be there as i've timed a holiday very well to miss the tail of this accursed season, but TrustSTFC Board members will be at the OSC BBQ from 1.30 on Saturday.
Come along, have a chat, or share your views directly with them, they would love for you to come along and say hello! Also - please do fill in the survey! Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, May 1, 2024, 18:19:03 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd80ApZ8raQ-cExy1pOWYQwr-vgV_JziotbXs8Gcby4xN7IEg/viewform The trust are pushing this end of season supporter survey. All supporters, not just members. Survey closes tonight 9pm if you want to make your feelings known. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Thursday, May 9, 2024, 09:02:48 https://truststfc.com/2024/05/09/end-of-season-fans-survey-report/
This just in, people are not very happy Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, May 9, 2024, 09:13:45 Personally, I think that's a very insightful report. Particularly with the number of people unsure about their ST and citing off-field concerns as an important factor.
There's also something of a step onto the front foot in the introductory blurb: Quote Promises are no longer enough, actions are required and quickly.” “The Trust has always said that we want a financially stable and well-run club, regardless of who the owner is. If the current ownership and leadership team are unable (or unwilling) to provide a demonstrable path to achieve this, the results of this survey suggest that Swindon supporters are no longer prepared to provide their unconditional support and are looking for change. We at the Trust will play our part in bringing that change about.” Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, May 9, 2024, 09:15:49 https://truststfc.com/2024/05/09/end-of-season-fans-survey-report/ This just in, people are not very happy I’ve criticised the trust in the past & nearly stopped my membership, however, this is a very good statement, presentation put together by a voluntary group of people. It’s miles better than anything the club has put out with full time employees!! Kudos were due! Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 9, 2024, 09:15:58 This just in, people are not very happy (https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExdDFsdHplYWN6NDRpd3dsbXFucWRicXE0bXMzdDB3cmJoNXZiMjBlNiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/Zd0DYHlBmZTGaiIFRY/giphy.gif)Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Thursday, May 9, 2024, 09:16:59 I do agree it's a good report by the way, no sugarcoating. No analysis exactly or suggestions of what the club needs to do, but that's over to them.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: welshred on Thursday, May 9, 2024, 09:22:30 Plus they've made it abundantly clear that these results and the full report have been shared with the Chairman and CEO at the last Advisory Board meeting, so there's no question that Clem and his useless CEO know exactly what the fans are thinking at the moment.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: DV on Thursday, May 9, 2024, 09:25:32 I think it’s a good move from the Trust.
The new board have gone in all nicey, nicey & friendly. Now rather than the Trust themselves pointing the fingers and going directly at the club (and probably getting their back up) they basically allowed the supporters to load the gun and the Trust are just the messenger (for the time being) Whilst it gives a clear indication of what we basically already know - it doesn’t help solve these issues (not that I’m suggesting it would/should) Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: UTR on Thursday, May 9, 2024, 09:27:47 It doesn’t surprise me at all to hear the club attributed any criticism to a “vocal minority of social media accounts”, they’re utterly detached from the sentiment of fans and if they really were turning up to handshakes and selfies in the Legends Lounge against Morecambe then it further feeds into that narrative.
A much better statement from the Trust and kudos to them for that, much needed after the past year or so. Happy to see it clearly stated that the results have been shared with the club but I hold little faith that it will have any effect on them and we will no doubt hear some spun up excuse reasoning for it or a short 2 week charm offensive that they think will bring everyone back onside (and to be fair, some will fall for it). Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Berniman on Thursday, May 9, 2024, 09:37:05 Good work by the trust, kudos - now it's over to the club. I won't hold my breath and await what the follow up move by the trust will be.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 9, 2024, 09:47:26 so there's no question that Clem and his useless CEO know exactly what the fans are thinking at the moment. If they bother to read it.Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Lemis on Thursday, May 9, 2024, 09:53:20 Trust email suggests 10% of people aren't renewing their season tickets, but its actually more like 15.7% as they don't appear to exclude people who don't have season tickets from their calculations.
At a worst case scenario for the club, if everyone of the 26% of the undecided don't renew, we'll be looking at 52.9% not renewing. (Although this is assuming that all the undecided are current season ticket holders, without it being broken down between undecided current and undecided not current, the data becomes a bit more foggy) Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, May 9, 2024, 10:03:38 The most professional thing to have a club crest attached to it in quite some time. If this does not convey the message, nothing will.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Power to people on Thursday, May 9, 2024, 10:52:51 What is very worrying is the club believe there was a minority on social media that was noisy - do they not realize that social media is the way of the world nowadays and why would you get 95% of people on social media with the same or similar opinion, if it was a 50/50 split then you could understand but it isn't.
Sadly it seems that Clem & Co have stuck their fingers in their ears then buried their head in the sand (just to ensure they cant hear or see anything) and decided that we have had a great season, they are doing a wonderful job and long may it continue. Kudos to the Trust for the survey, lets hope Clem & Co read and dissect and actually realize the noisy minority on social media are representing of the fan base after all. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Thursday, May 9, 2024, 10:57:42 Sad thing is that if you walked past them now and asked what the figures were that the trust had just released they wouldn't know, they don't give a fuck what we think. They know best
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Thursday, May 9, 2024, 11:14:56 Trust email suggests 10% of people aren't renewing their season tickets, but its actually more like 15.7% as they don't appear to exclude people who don't have season tickets from their calculations. We are reforming this question for next time to avoid any grey areas in the dataAt a worst case scenario for the club, if everyone of the 26% of the undecided don't renew, we'll be looking at 52.9% not renewing. (Although this is assuming that all the undecided are current season ticket holders, without it being broken down between undecided current and undecided not current, the data becomes a bit more foggy) Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, May 9, 2024, 11:17:46 What is very worrying is the club believe there was a minority on social media that was noisy - do they not realize that social media is the way of the world nowadays and why would you get 95% of people on social media with the same or similar opinion, if it was a 50/50 split then you could understand but it isn't. I agree with the sentiment, but we all know of many fans that go to games who have little or no Social Media presence, or don’t believe any of what is posted. They will be among the 3k that will renew their ST’s regardless. I don’t know how you get them to understand what is going on Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 9, 2024, 11:28:44 I agree with the sentiment, but we all know of many fans that go to games who have little or no Social Media presence, or don’t believe any of what is posted. This. They will be among the 3k that will renew their ST’s regardless. I don’t know how you get them to understand what is going on As I found out myself chatting to mates who do not use any social media before the Morecambe game. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, May 9, 2024, 12:09:27 Surely the most amazing stat is that ONLY 93% of people were dissatisfied with the first team performance, that means that 7% were satisfied with our worst season in living memory :doh:
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 9, 2024, 12:15:35 Surely the most amazing stat is that ONLY 93% of people were dissatisfied with the first team performance, that means that 7% were satisfied with our worst season in living memory :doh: 7% of people did not understand the question.Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 9, 2024, 12:26:38 7% of people did not understand the question. They are the ones that believe repeatedly shouting 'get it forward' makes a blind bit of difference to what happens on the pitch. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: DV on Thursday, May 9, 2024, 12:29:25 We are reforming this question for next time to avoid any grey areas in the data If we are being super nit picky (and this survey is going to be a yearly thing) I think a ‘I really don’t care / null’ option needs to be added when being asked how satisfied / dissatisfied we are with something - particularly when on the previous page we are asked what is important to us. For example, I haven’t bought anything to eat at a Swindon game for 20 odd years (and even then it was only because the girl behind the kiosk was a school friend of my mate and under charged him every time) so i answered that, that wasn’t important to me at all - then a minute later i was asked how satisfied I was with the food that isn’t important to me….not sure I can be satisfied / dissatisfied with something I haven’t sampled for 20 years. Similar to the women’s team progress, signings & ticket prices. Not important to me therefore my satisfied / dissatisfied opinion is null. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Thursday, May 9, 2024, 12:31:05 If we are being super nit picky (and this survey is going to be a yearly thing) I think a ‘I really don’t care / null’ option needs to be added when being asked how satisfied / dissatisfied we are with something - particularly when on the previous page we are asked what is important to us. Yup, we've also factored that inFor example, I haven’t bought anything to eat at a Swindon game for 20 odd years (and even then it was only because the girl behind the kiosk was a school friend of my mate and under charged him every time) so i answered that, that wasn’t important to me at all - then a minute later i was asked how satisfied I was with the food that isn’t important to me….not sure I can be satisfied / dissatisfied with something I haven’t sampled for 20 years. Similar to the women’s team progress, signings & ticket prices. Not important to me therefore my satisfied / dissatisfied opinion is null. edit - Thanks DIV, didn't want to seem ungrateful Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Thursday, May 9, 2024, 12:52:32 I found Keiran Maguires little bit early very interesting and kind of confirmed my initial thoughts that Clem is clearly being led by others with this
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, May 9, 2024, 13:26:35 Credit where it's due - great work from the Trust
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: 4D on Thursday, May 9, 2024, 13:37:10 7% of people did not understand the question. Perhaps they were the season ticket holders who only went against creepy. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Oldwembley69 on Thursday, May 9, 2024, 13:53:42 Credit where it's due - great work from the Trust Agree 100%. The main issue now is will we get a response to all these concerns? Very much doubt it! If not, then whats next? Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 4, 2024, 11:15:45 What did people think of the latest Trust newsletter. It was certainly detailed and well written.
It stated that communication between Clem and the Trust had been held and was amicable. I did smirk when (and I could have taken this out of context slightly) they basically said to him 'it might be a good idea to get a proper manager in place' which he subsequently did. :) Also, the standing order being put in place for the rental payment is good to see, although quite why they needed the Trust's input to get this done is another matter. Overall, quite positive but again I can't help thinking that the club shouldn't need the Trust for these quite basic of things if they are to get their house in order. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: 4D on Tuesday, June 4, 2024, 11:19:51 Who does the day to day running of the club?
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, June 4, 2024, 11:30:47 Who does the day to day running of the club? The plumbers mate Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: 4D on Tuesday, June 4, 2024, 11:34:01 Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 17:28:53 To avoid diluting the podcast area of the forum, if anyone has any questions for the Trust...fire them through to [email protected]
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Itainthalfhotmum on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 17:31:41 To avoid diluting the podcast area of the forum, if anyone has any questions for the Trust...fire them through to [email protected] Literally just sent one to the next AB tread but will forward to the email. Cheers great timing Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 17:32:50 Literally just sent one to the next AB tread but will forward to the email. Cheers great timing :D Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Friday, December 20, 2024, 17:05:41 AGM update for 2025
https://truststfc.com/2024/12/20/truststfc-2025-agm/ Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Thursday, January 2, 2025, 16:03:02 Now open for nominations to the board - currently 7 board members out of a max 12.
Bennett regrettably isn't up for election this year (nor are Neil Hutchings, Chris Howell or Nick Coote) The other three are all re-standing, or in one case, standing for the first time - Bazil Soloman Dawn Pursall (Co-opted during the year as Treasurer) Adi Male Applications to stand by the 31st January, method is in Bennett's link above but basically you need two members to nominate you. Voting will I believe only happen if there are 8 candidates (including those three) so if anyone wants to vote against any of those three, you need at least six other candidates. There is a yes/no affirmative ballot on them anyway but only in person at the AGM, which seems a tiny bit odd but is the way it was historically. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: tans on Thursday, January 2, 2025, 16:16:14 Bazil is only standing for himself anyway isnt he
If i had the free time i would consider it but with shift working its difficult to get time off Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Thursday, January 2, 2025, 16:32:32 If anyone fancies a chat about standing for the board feel free to DM me. It can be challenging but very rewarding (I assume, one day)
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, January 2, 2025, 16:44:02 If the next 7 members elected at all pro Clem, does that make the last few months a waste of time for the Trust?
I’m sorry if that seems like a really daft question. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Thursday, January 2, 2025, 16:51:24 I think it would be a good opportunity to point out that the board are not anti/pro Clem. We have collectively agreed that STFC need change of ownership.
I don't think it would be wasted time but a new board could have a different collective view Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, January 7, 2025, 08:21:41 Just to clarify the board AGM after a few questions I've received:
Neil, Chris, Nick and I aren't standing as our terms on the board were only started in 2024 and it's a 2 year term. ie we will continue in role in 2025. Adi, Dawn and Bazil are up for voting Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Nemo on Monday, January 27, 2025, 09:50:35 In order to vote at February's AGM, you need to be a Trust member by Friday 31st Jan, for anyone considering joining/rejoining/cancelling.
Applications to stand for the board by the same date. AGM on the 26th. I assume only in person Bennett? Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Monday, January 27, 2025, 12:16:54 Yes, only in person Bennett's can attend
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: tans on Monday, January 27, 2025, 12:36:53 What was the reason given by the club for cancelling the meetings?
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: RobertT on Monday, January 27, 2025, 12:54:58 And I presume by "cancelling" the JV meeting, what we actually mean is the club determined they would not be able to send their representatives on the Board, because I presume the Board meeting could still go ahead without them?
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Power to people on Monday, January 27, 2025, 13:04:34 Clem Probably don't want to talk to any supporter groups - he believes he is doing such a great job his actions will do the talking
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Monday, January 27, 2025, 13:18:51 I wonder if they'll pay the JV on time next time round. You do worry if they're withdrawing entirely from the thing and going all Lee Power final days on us.
I won't allow myself to be optimistic enough that its because a sale is near. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 28, 2025, 11:43:27 Clem Probably don't want to talk to any supporter groups - he believes he is doing such a great job his actions will do the talking Thing is they tried the whole (fake) transparency thing, it worked for a while, but then became clear that it was all a front. So TBH what's the point of continuing with the whole charade, even if the club had some sort of epiphany and started telling the truth no one would believe them as the truth ship has sailed, its just a waste of everyone’s time, . Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 28, 2025, 11:44:48 The JV meetings need to continue. The AB, hmmm.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, January 28, 2025, 11:47:54 The JV meetings need to continue. The AB, hmmm. I think in it's infancy the AB served a great purpose - more minds from different walks of life and angles offering their opinions on goings on at the NECG.In an ideal world the meetings would go back to that. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: GTXMagnatec on Tuesday, January 28, 2025, 12:18:30 What was the reason given by the club for cancelling the meetings? Wasn't it the January Transfer Window? Amazing. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: ronnie21 on Tuesday, January 28, 2025, 13:49:00 Bazil is only standing for himself anyway isnt he B Soloman is/was SBC councilier?If i had the free time i would consider it but with shift working its difficult to get time off Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: ronnie21 on Tuesday, January 28, 2025, 13:51:30 Whichever way the wind blows Brazil Solomon follows. exactly, has been a member/councillor for both main parties, jumps ship when it suits him Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: tans on Wednesday, February 12, 2025, 09:00:12 Four people standing
Dawn Pursall Anthony Jenkins Jason Lane James Leggett Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, February 12, 2025, 09:03:41 Four people standing Dawn Pursall Anthony Jenkins Jason Lane James Leggett That James Leggett sounds a dodgy character ;) Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, February 12, 2025, 09:05:08 That James Leggett sounds a dodgy character ;) absolute wrongunTitle: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Leggett on Wednesday, February 12, 2025, 10:43:23 😬😬
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, February 12, 2025, 11:15:42 Fuck you Leggett, fuck you.
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, February 12, 2025, 11:24:11 The full update
https://truststfc.com/2025/02/12/truststfc-board-election-result/ Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: 4D on Wednesday, February 12, 2025, 11:32:51 I vote for Leggett, coz he bought a car part off me :)
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, February 12, 2025, 11:56:33 I vote for Leggett, coz he bought a car part off me :) I bought a Playstation 3 off of him once and it never broke, for that reason, I'm in.. Leggett for President.. Title: Re: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 12, 2025, 12:36:26 That James Leggett sounds a dodgy character ;) He's a history of not delivering to acceptable time standards tooTitle: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Tails on Wednesday, February 12, 2025, 13:26:40 Trust is gonna be metal AF now LETS GOOOOOOOO.
between leggett and bennett the TEF is slowly taking over. Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, February 12, 2025, 13:35:39 corpse paint for everyone!
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, February 12, 2025, 14:15:10 That Jason Lane judging by his posts on X is a bit of a tool - if it is the same person
Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, February 12, 2025, 14:21:03 That Jason Lane judging by his posts on X is a bit of a tool - if it is the same person He means well I think but is full on tinfoil hat. He’s obsessed with Able being a legit buyer and likes to think of himself as a super sleuth.Title: Re: TrustSTFC - direction & AGM Post by: Leggett on Wednesday, February 12, 2025, 14:48:28 He's a history of not delivering to acceptable time standards too Never worked deliveries, so can't blame me for that :D |