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Title: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Stoner1970 on Wednesday, November 20, 2013, 14:19:11
Hi, Does anybody know if the proposed roof over the Stratton Bank is going ahead??. I haven't heard any news on this for months, seems to of gone quiet on this topic. The last I heard was when I saw Jed tweet about 3 months ago saying that he had put in planning permission to the council. Think it would be great with a roof over it personally.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, November 20, 2013, 14:27:13
May find out a bot more on stuff like this after the trust meeting tonight


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Wednesday, November 20, 2013, 15:00:39
Visit here and get them to ask Jed tonight http://www.truststfc.com/contact-us/


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Stoner1970 on Wednesday, November 20, 2013, 15:34:41
Cheers


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, November 20, 2013, 18:08:24
Hopefully not, the stand should have been pulled down years ago.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, November 20, 2013, 19:45:37
Hopefully not, the stand should have been pulled down years ago.

Whilst this may be true, we would have ended up with a wooden fence as it's replacement.

Like that bunch of tinpot wankers up the road (or down the road from me)


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Stoner1970 on Friday, November 22, 2013, 06:25:37
Any news from this trust meeting???, haven't heard or seen anything about it anywhere


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Friday, November 22, 2013, 08:58:24
Never going to happen.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: 4D on Friday, November 22, 2013, 09:12:19
Why would we want to roof a stand that town fans rarely use? Improve town end first, bank second


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, November 22, 2013, 10:05:02
Why would we want to roof a stand that town fans rarely use? Improve town end first, bank second

Depending on cost, sticking a roof on the bank would enable the Town End to be redone with little loss of revenue/atmosphere, and minimal problems -you used to sit/bought a season ticket for the TE? Well this season when it's being redone you're in the bank.

Once the new TE is all done, everyone moves back in and then the Stratton Bank can be demolished/replaced/kept for away fans. It's not really up to being a 'main' stand, but it's that or stick TE'ers in t'arkells or DRS.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Friday, November 22, 2013, 10:18:53
Home fans being on the Stratton Bank (even temporarily while the Town End is 'done up') would, in my opinion, increase the atmosphere too...being closer to away fans and all..


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Tails on Friday, November 22, 2013, 10:29:54
Home fans being on the Stratton Bank (even temporarily while the Town End is 'done up') would, in my opinion, increase the atmosphere too...being closer to away fans and all..

would certainly be interesting in there.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: 4D on Friday, November 22, 2013, 11:05:27
I've only ever been on the bank when it was standing, not a bad view, would be great with a roof. Used to stand about 3/4 way back near to the old away corner  :)


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Batch on Friday, November 22, 2013, 12:57:01
Home fans being on the Stratton Bank (even temporarily while the Town End is 'done up') would, in my opinion, increase the atmosphere too...being closer to away fans and all..

And the plan to do the Town End up came from where? Ii thought we were doing nowt to the ground.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Friday, November 22, 2013, 13:01:09
And the plan to do the Town End up came from where? Ii thought we were doing nowt to the ground.

It was just an example. It has been discussed quite a few times on here. If they were to do the Town End up and house home fans on the Stratton Bank, it wouldn't have a negative impact on the current 'atmosphere'....quite the contrary, infact.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, November 22, 2013, 13:03:28
And the plan to do the Town End up came from where?

Mr Whippy's head.  There's a Futurama style collection in the Boardroom....even got McCoy, Venkman and Cooper.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Hiv6O-EJ114/UD-YJi1WVtI/AAAAAAAAA5k/FOCL6uvu4bk/s320/doctors-in-futurama-head-in-a-jar-style.jpg)


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, November 22, 2013, 13:14:17
Mr Whippy's head.  There's a Futurama style collection in the Boardroom....even got McCoy, Venkman and Cooper.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Hiv6O-EJ114/UD-YJi1WVtI/AAAAAAAAA5k/FOCL6uvu4bk/s320/doctors-in-futurama-head-in-a-jar-style.jpg)
I am in illustrious company :D


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, November 22, 2013, 14:23:57
I'm just surprised Reg knows about Futurama.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: pauld on Friday, November 22, 2013, 16:02:05
Reg knows about everything. He actually is one of the heads from Futurama with a T1 pipe to the Internet piping straight into his cerebral cortex :)


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, November 22, 2013, 18:56:34
Could the stratton bank roof thing be with a view to moving home fans into it, out of the TE? Bigger than the TE, better views. Comparable facilities, but it has a licensed bar doesn't it?


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Friday, November 22, 2013, 19:02:13
No doesnt have a bar and facilities are worse ( if that can be believed )


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Friday, November 22, 2013, 19:30:40
It really wouldn't surprise me if the stand was deemed unsafe by the authorities in the not too distant future.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Friday, November 22, 2013, 20:32:10
It really wouldn't surprise me if the stand was deemed unsafe by the authorities in the not too distant future.

Nothing wrong with stand itself bar no roof
Shrivvy road entrance facilities been derelict for years,toilets at back of stand are worse than the TE
All of which wouldnt take too much cash to fix ( bar the roof )


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, November 22, 2013, 21:08:17
I thought the point was that by putting a roof on it we could then give that to away fans & free up all of the Arkells for home fans and therefore remove the segregation.

Can't currently do that because you have to offer some covered seating to away fans.



Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Friday, November 22, 2013, 21:11:56

Can't currently do that because you have to offer some covered seating to away fans.



Unless you're the pikeys


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Batch on Friday, November 22, 2013, 21:12:14
I thought the point was that by putting a roof on it we could then give that to away fans & free up all of the Arkells for home fans and therefore remove the segregation.

At last, all of the home fans that want to come to the County Ground would get a seat. Oh wait.

Are there (Police) cost savings made by removing segregation? If not, what's the point.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, January 9, 2022, 18:04:31
***BUMP***
I donít make a habit of bumping 8 year old threads but wondered what the latest plan on this might be if Clem/Trust purchase TCG.


Title: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, January 9, 2022, 18:30:25
still think it's currently pointless with l2 crowd numbers.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Sunday, January 9, 2022, 18:41:42
Ground redevelopment with food outlets, bars etc will all be in the plans


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, January 9, 2022, 21:23:16
My heart jumped seeing Reg's avatar at top of this page.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: 4D on Sunday, January 9, 2022, 22:49:04
 :( Been a year hasn't it?


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: tans on Monday, January 10, 2022, 08:38:10
Oxford unveil plans for 18k stadium in Kidlington


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: 4D on Monday, January 10, 2022, 08:41:23
 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Kidlington United?


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Crackity Jones on Monday, January 10, 2022, 08:51:14
Oxford unveil plans for 18k stadium in Kidlington
18k is a bit excessive. Barely 6k home fans can be bothered to watch that shit at the moment


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Broadbents Tackle on Monday, January 10, 2022, 08:56:28
18k is a bit excessive. Barely 6k home fans can be bothered to watch that shit at the moment

I imagine that would be the potential capacity if they decided to expand in the future. I fully expect them to build two stands with a 12k capacity, with the potential for a third stand to reach 18k.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: 4D on Monday, January 10, 2022, 09:00:20
I was just gonna post, are they doing two stands this time?  :)


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: stfcjack on Monday, January 10, 2022, 09:16:02
Kidlington United  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

18k  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: 4D on Monday, January 10, 2022, 09:29:44
That's really out of town, like us moving to RWB.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: 4D on Monday, January 10, 2022, 09:42:10
There was an amusing post on the Pox forum, with one saying they needed a new fence so could they have first dibs  :D


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, January 10, 2022, 11:50:32
That's really out of town, like us moving to RWB.

Worse than that.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, January 10, 2022, 12:11:54
I suspect it is no more than a salvo in negotiations to renew the lease at their existing triangle.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, January 10, 2022, 12:31:46
Kidlington United  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

18k  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Another village Club alongside FGR.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Tails on Monday, January 10, 2022, 15:07:13
18k is a bit excessive. Barely 6k home fans can be bothered to watch that shit at the moment

Could be said of a lot of teams who built out of town stadiums and managed to increase their average attendances.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, January 10, 2022, 15:13:23
The new Darlington with a bit of luck.

6 miles is a fair bit out of town, though. Bet the locals of Kidlington canít wait!


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Crackity Jones on Monday, January 10, 2022, 17:07:06
Could be said of a lot of teams who built out of town stadiums and managed to increase their average attendances.
How many have got close to doubling/tripling on a regular basis?


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Tails on Monday, January 10, 2022, 17:10:07
Swansea, Hull, Reading, Brighton. I don't have the data to back that up, just from memory! New stadiums sometimes work as a catalyst


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Crackity Jones on Monday, January 10, 2022, 17:20:06
Swansea, Hull, Reading, Brighton. I don't have the data to back that up, just from memory! New stadiums sometimes work as a catalyst
True. In my head I was thinking of the Pox as being more like other small clubs like Shrewsbury or Colchester though where arguably the new stadium bounce hasn't happened.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: stfcjack on Monday, January 10, 2022, 17:37:32
I respect them for going back to their village roots though.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Ardiles on Monday, January 10, 2022, 17:39:05
But Oxford have already had their 'new' ground.  Regardless of ground ownership, how can you objectively argue that building a 2nd new stadium in just over 20 yrs is in any way sustainable environmentally?  It's the very opposite of that.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: 4D on Monday, January 10, 2022, 17:41:20
Swansea, Hull, Reading, Brighton. I don't have the data to back that up, just from memory! New stadiums sometimes work as a catalyst

All 3 are bigger clubs though.


Title: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 10, 2022, 17:42:38
reading and Swansea were similar size to us .

this confirms your point


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Tails on Monday, January 10, 2022, 17:45:49
All 3 are bigger clubs though.

They weren't....


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Ardiles on Monday, January 10, 2022, 18:37:36
That's really out of town, like us moving to RWB.

Same distance (just over 4 miles) from the centre of town to their current ground.  Realistically, you're never going to get planning permission for a football stadium of that size any closer to the centre of Oxford.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Ardiles on Monday, January 10, 2022, 18:38:31
[Any chance one of the mods could do a thread merge, pls?]


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, January 10, 2022, 18:44:04
Iíd imagine a roof would become a step nearer when the club have the sanitary and catering situation sorted first. A low slung roof wouldnít take to long to put up and, and it is a big and, that would become a priority if we could achieve back to back promotions. It is not inconceivable that season 23/24 we could be in the championship and filling the ground as it is with 15,000 every home game.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, January 10, 2022, 19:21:18
Just be a carbon copy of the Milton End at Fratton Park wonít it if it happens outside a full redevelopment. A ĎCheapí steel frame with couple of central pillars lobbed over the existing seating.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Monday, January 10, 2022, 19:28:01
Yep, hopefully just some temporary turd polishing pending a new stand at some point in the future.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: 4D on Monday, January 10, 2022, 19:35:23
They weren't....

They were and are bigger than the Pox  ???


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Tails on Monday, January 10, 2022, 23:50:35
Thought you meant us for some reason!

But even then I think, certainly attendance wise they were mostly similar.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 00:13:37
So saltyÖ

Weíd love a new stadium or even anything remotely close to improvements on ours.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 01:20:16
No, I like old school. Think the TE needs a roof and stand as high as the sides. Roof on the bank can be the away end.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 07:41:26
So saltyÖ

Weíd love a new stadium or even anything remotely close to improvements on ours.

Don't think anyone has disputed that.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 09:51:05
Same distance (just over 4 miles) from the centre of town to their current ground.  Realistically, you're never going to get planning permission for a football stadium of that size any closer to the centre of Oxford.

There are a fair few planning reasons why a stadium at the site in Kidlington is going to be quite tricky.

As for the Stratton Bank one would imagine the key initial considerations would be a) what is it built on and can it carry the (substantial) weight of a roof (however temporary and rudimentary) and b) would it get planning permission.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 10:32:29
So saltyÖ

Weíd love a new stadium or even anything remotely close to improvements on ours.

Tell me that on ITV that the stadium didn't look about a million times better than every identikit soulless bowl in the country?

I'd like improvements but not at the expense of of being totally devoid of character.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 10:39:58
I'd always thought the bank would be knocked and rebuilt rather than a roof on it. Wasn't it looked in to before and considered not worth doing?

Something basic like the away end at Adams Park would be perfect for that end. That can only be about as high as the flag poles. Perhaps a long term sponsorship could help with some funds for the rebuild.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 10:45:44
I'd always thought the bank would be knocked and rebuilt rather than a roof on it. Wasn't it looked in to before and considered not worth doing?

Something basic like the away end at Adams Park would be perfect for that end. That can only be about as high as the flag poles. Perhaps a long term sponsorship could help with some funds for the rebuild.

The 'AXIS Stratton Bank' would work surely?


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 10:45:59
Buying the houses directly behind the SB would alleviate the height issue but in all fairness that would only happen if we were in the PL. of course you could end up in a situation where some stubborn house owner wouldnít sell until hell froze over, like the old ladies at Anfield a number of decades ago.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 10:49:01
Buying the houses directly behind the SB would alleviate the height issue but in all fairness that would only happen if we were in the PL. of course you could end up in a situation where some stubborn house owner wouldnít sell until hell froze over, like the old ladies at Anfield a number of decades ago.
Pretty sure the houses behind the SB are no longer the issue they were back in the 90s when planning permission for the roof on the bank was an issue.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 10:55:51
Yeah, assuming planning would be granted for as high as the flag poles then that really should be high enough for what we're looking to do. Even if you lose a few hundred seats you can eventually build a much bigger Town End further on in the development.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Crackity Jones on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 11:01:43
Tell me that on ITV that the stadium didn't look about a million times better than every identikit soulless bowl in the country?

I'd like improvements but not at the expense of of being totally devoid of character.
This is my view. A redevelopment that retains the character of the CG somehow.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 11:32:25
Pretty sure the houses behind the SB are no longer the issue they were back in the 90s when planning permission for the roof on the bank was an issue.

Wasn't consent granted for a stand at the same time as the DRS, but never built.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 11:34:31
Wasn't consent granted for a stand at the same time as the DRS, but never built.
I hadn't heard that but it does make sense.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 12:24:15
So saltyÖ

Weíd love a new stadium or even anything remotely close to improvements on ours.

Nope.  Not even close.  Redevelopment all the way.

The redevelopment is 20 yrs overdue now, fair enough.  But happy to wait a while longer if it's done properly.  A bowl on a retail park at the edge of town (or outside it) would be a massive step down from what we have now.  You'll never find a better site for a football ground than the County Ground.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 12:33:34
No, I like old school. Think the TE needs a roof and stand as high as the sides. Roof on the bank can be the away end.

This is my view. A redevelopment that retains the character of the CG somehow.

Nope.  Not even close.  Redevelopment all the way.

The redevelopment is 20 yrs overdue now, fair enough.  But happy to wait a while longer if it's done properly.  A bowl on a retail park at the edge of town (or outside it) would be a massive step down from what we have now.  You'll never find a better site for a football ground than the County Ground.

This, this and this. Hundred-year-old stadia are monuments to their communities. Many of those who've moved to Legoland have mourned the loss of those ancient repositories of their social history. Would like a roof on the Bank to make the ground a bit more closed in and complete, and a higher Town End, but none of this could happen while the club is a tenant. Things will at last start to move when the club gains ownership, hopefully within the next 12 months.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 12:35:43
My main wish with any redevelopment is that they try to fill in the corners, i much prefer stadiums with the corners connected, similar to Loftus Road.  I think the atmosphere is enhanced with a wraparound  stadium.

Agree about the "New Stadium" though, redevelopment of existing has to be the way forward.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 12:37:57
My main wish with any redevelopment is that they try to fill in the corners, i much prefer stadiums with the corners connected, similar to Loftus Road.  I think the atmosphere is enhanced with a wraparound  stadium.

Agree about the "New Stadium" though, redevelopment of existing has to be the way forward.
I prefer wrapped corners but not even for asthetics but to stop the wind tunnel effect.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 13:34:30
I hadn't heard that but it does make sense.

I thought so, from the Council website albeit sadly no plans are there!

T/93/1301 Submitted 11/11/93 but never apparently determined
Demolition of existing Stratton Bank and construction of 3600 seater covered stand.

T/94/0807 Submitted 13/7/94 Approved 24/8/94
Construction of new covered stand (2 760 seats) including demolition of existing terrace.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 13:52:45
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/13526773.revitalised-red-army-fund-aims-to-raise-the-roof/


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 13:53:35
Interesting cheers H7.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 14:36:40
I thought so, from the Council website albeit sadly no plans are there!

T/93/1301 Submitted 11/11/93 but never apparently determined
Demolition of existing Stratton Bank and construction of 3600 seater covered stand.

T/94/0807 Submitted 13/7/94 Approved 24/8/94
Construction of new covered stand (2 760 seats) including demolition of existing terrace.


Reg would have been all over this, he loved telling people off that said it couldn't be done or that permission was refused.  I believe the issue that prevented construction was Grant money not being available.  The Don Rogers stand was heavily financed by Grant money rather than our own.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 14:41:13
Reg would have been all over this, he loved telling people off that said it couldn't be done or that permission was refused.  I believe the issue that prevented construction was Grant money not being available.  The Don Rogers stand was heavily financed by Grant money rather than our own.

Hopefully we'll get some more Grant money this month when we sell Anthony.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 14:43:57
Hopefully we'll get some more Grant money this month when we sell Anthony.
Hes been on the bench for the last 2 games, maybe him and Garner have kissed and made up.....


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 14:59:20
Thatís what I was told by the then chairman but canít recall his name. Apparently planning permission was obtained and granted along with The DRS. The club was under the impression they could take advantage of the grant scheme been offered by The FL/FA at the time towards building costs. SB was shelved when only one grant was forthcoming and that was used for The DRS.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 15:05:09
Reg would have been all over this, he loved telling people off that said it couldn't be done or that permission was refused.  I believe the issue that prevented construction was Grant money not being available.  The Don Rogers stand was heavily financed by Grant money rather than our own.

It was probably via Reg that my recollection of it came from. I assume the loss of light/height issue with the burghers of Shrivy Road was solved in the latter application, as the loss of c.1000 seats suggests it was made smaller.

Out of interest how many does the TE seat as that would broadly give an idea of the scale of what was approved?  


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 15:06:52
I prefer wrapped corners but not even for asthetics but to stop the wind tunnel effect.

Yes, so would the players.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 15:22:52
Out of interest how many does the TE seat as that would broadly give an idea of the scale of what was approved? 

1,846 according to wikipedia


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 15:23:56
It was probably via Reg that my recollection of it came from. I assume the loss of light/height issue with the burghers of Shrivy Road was solved in the latter application, as the loss of c.1000 seats suggests it was made smaller.

That was always my understanding going back to the 90s with quoting the flag pole height restriction, they tried to build a bigger stand with a roof and residents kicked off and planning was eventually agreed on a reduced height.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 15:34:45
On the general subject of development Boy About Town said there are photos of the DRS second concourse. Don't suppose anyone can find them or has them to hand? Can't recall ever seeing anything.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 15:39:42
...of course you could end up in a situation where some stubborn house owner wouldnít sell until hell froze over, like the old ladies at Anfield a number of decades ago.

In which case just burn them out as happened with an outlier in the way of Totteringhams new stadium development back in 2014.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Bedford Red on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 17:20:59
On the general subject of development Boy About Town said there are photos of the DRS second concourse. Don't suppose anyone can find them or has them to hand? Can't recall ever seeing anything.

They were put on this thread (top post by PV)

http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=57451.75


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Bedford Red on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 17:26:14
Also Ray hardman wrote an article in the programme for the opening match of the 1994-95 season against Port Vale about the Stratton Bank and proposed stand. It should be on page 26 on the link below.

http://www.stfcnewspapers.co.uk/images/Programmes/1994-1995/PDF/1994-08-14%20Swindon%20Town%20Vs%20Port%20Vale.pdf


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 17:29:47
14 weeks to knock down and build a new stand. Thats mental


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 17:32:21
14 weeks to knock down and build a new stand. Thats mental
It took a year to knock down and rebuild half a stand at Exeter City a couple of years ago! cant imagine how long a whole stand would take nowadays.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 17:35:01
14 weeks to knock down and build a new stand. Thats mental

Same gang did Notts County's stands as well I think, before ours.  It was a modular design, meaning it could be taken down quickly if ever needed as well, which seemed to get the club excited - not sure why you'd be thinking about tearing it down while putting it up, but there you go.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:34:32
From the Town at the Top book from 94(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220111/d7d4b937dfb75eb6d9da5d1029b91dbe.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220111/5303318e59f2ed09c1b160b05c109593.jpg)


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 19:40:01
In which case just burn them out as happened with an outlier in the way of Totteringhams new stadium development back in 2014.


Employ Van Hoogstratens thugs.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 21:41:37
If there is any roof or other redevelopment of the Stratton Bank I think the Rolex clock should be retained in some form.
I also like the floodlight pylons, which might be lost if the corners were filed in.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 15:45:26
They were put on this thread (top post by PV)

http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=57451.75

Thanks. Not much of a concourse shown in those pics though. Seems to be more just roof space photographed. Logic would tell you there was something above the ground concourse in the south stand though, just given how low the ceiling is.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 15:50:55
Plenty of space for suites though - you'd be removing maybe 3 or 4 rows of seats looking at the pictures, replaced with one or two of more comfy ones in front of each box.  The you'd keep the wings for catering facilities on the like.  Given each row is a slab of concrete, the work involved is pretty simple (I imagine, no construction expert).  I think the height is deceiving in those pics, that bend in the external cladding is around the same height again of the ground floor, once you hit the cross beams.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 15:59:24
Plenty of space for suites though - you'd be removing maybe 3 or 4 rows of seats looking at the pictures, replaced with one or two of more comfy ones in front of each box.  The you'd keep the wings for catering facilities on the like.  Given each row is a slab of concrete, the work involved is pretty simple (I imagine, no construction expert).  I think the height is deceiving in those pics, that bend in the external cladding is around the same height again of the ground floor, once you hit the cross beams.

Construction will be pretty easy, in the main the structural bits are the metal frame. I agree the lack of something for context is making the scale look odd, plenty of rooms for boxes there, but is it worth it compared to the loss of seats? Be interesting to see what happens in the summer considering that the club seem much more commercially minded since Clem took over? What does a box go for at a L2 club?


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 16:11:02
In a stadium that is full, it could be a tighter equation, but the DR stand is rarely at full capacity, so losing 500-600 seats (assuming you'd put boxes into maybe 2/3's the stand length max) would be an easy decision given the margin on corporate packages.


Title: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 16:24:05
where exactly do the boxes sit in drs? up at the back or mid way where  between where the lower and upper meet?


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 16:35:32
Losing maybe 500 seats to boxes in the DRS and another 500 to a roofed SB shouldn't be a big deal if we go for a vastly bigger town end.

The Town End currently holds approximately 1,846. If a new Town End can be 4 to 5,000 then overall new capacity 16 to 17,000. Would be worth increasing net capacity, without going crazy.

Only issue with that is you'd have to build in to the car park and would be taking out 40 to 50 spaces.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 16:38:06
where exactly do the boxes sit in drs? up at the back or miss way where the door between  lower and upper meet?

I would expect would have to be at the back, or else how do you access the back seats behind the boxes?  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 16:43:48
makes sense


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 17:03:32
Looking at the pics, you'd actually have them just under half way up.  You'd pull out three or four rows of concrete slabs and pull back the edge of the box to the highest row above them (otherwise you impact sight line).  You'd then add a row or two of seats in front of the box glass, which would just out to the last row below them.

You'd then have enough space behind each box to have a corridor and access.

That's how I see it.  At the back would require external construction and increase the cost significantly.  Essentially, the box ground floor would be the ceiling of the current concourse.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 19:36:24
Looking at the pics, you'd actually have them just under half way up.  You'd pull out three or four rows of concrete slabs and pull back the edge of the box to the highest row above them (otherwise you impact sight line).  You'd then add a row or two of seats in front of the box glass, which would just out to the last row below them.

You'd then have enough space behind each box to have a corridor and access.

That's how I see it.  At the back would require external construction and increase the cost significantly.  Essentially, the box ground floor would be the ceiling of the current concourse.

So would you still be able to get up the stairs to access the seats behind the boxes? Think I'd need an artists impression to visualise how this would work.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 20:05:32
I hope the stand is left alone.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 21:56:15
Not sure if itís worth mucking around with The DRS, especially if hundreds of seats are lost just to house the prawn sandwich brigade. The only place where executive boxes should be is in a redeveloped Arkells Stand, and I canít see that happening while Stratton Bank and The Town End head the queue.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 22:53:30
Not sure if itís worth mucking around with The DRS, especially if hundreds of seats are lost just to house the prawn sandwich brigade. The only place where executive boxes should be is in a redeveloped Arkells Stand, and I canít see that happening while Stratton Bank and The Town End head the queue.
If Iím not mistaken, Aberdeen has mentioned exec boxes in the DR going forward.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 22:58:52
People who buy Prawn sandwiches will pay good money for them.  If you can stick some in the DR with minimal investment it would be a no brainer.  No doubt it will piss some people off who have those seats today,  but you are looking at 1.5k a game for a box of 8-10 people I'd imagine.  Some you'd sell to Sponsors, others you can have as shared boxes and just sell individual match access.  People already shell out nearly 80 quid to sit in a near normal seat in the Arkells and have a two course meal in s shared function room.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 00:24:39
Never understood why you'd watch football from an executive box, especially considering the price. Be like watching the F1 trackside, sat in your car.


Title: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 09:28:31
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Never understood why you'd watch football from an executive box, especially considering the price. Be like watching the F1 trackside, sat in your car.
free booze and a sense of occasion I suppose.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 09:34:02
free booze and a sense of occasion I suppose.

Not having someone shout 'get it forward in your ear every 30 seconds'....

Its mainly a corporate thing and will make a heck of a lot more money than the seats it would replace.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: fuzzy on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 09:34:45
Never understood why you'd watch football from an executive box, especially considering the price. Be like watching the F1 trackside, sat in your car.

Done it twice as a guest at Lincoln when we visited (Wife has a work contact with one of their main sponsors).
It is certainly an experience worth doing at least once- free beer, food and football. What else could you want?


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 09:40:12
I've never watched football from an executive box. I have done Corporate Hospitality at Hearts a few times when I lived in Edinburgh. We'd get there for 12, have some great food and we had a rule that whenever the waiter or waitress would ask if we wanted anything, we would have to order a round of drinks, but they had to be unique every time. That's when I first experienced 'cheeky vimto' drinks. Port & Blue WKD. (it's nicer than it sounds) I remember very little of the actual games, but the first time I have seen 44 players on a pitch at one time!!

As part of my 30th birthday I was in South Africa for the British Lions tour and watched a game (one of the pre-test warmups in Cape Town) from a box. Whilst it was nice to be able to watch a game and have as many beers and food as you wanted, I wasn't sure I liked the experience. I get where 4D is coming from, you don't quite feel part of the action behind some glass.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 10:29:49
There's a difference between the experience of 'hospitality', which is what STFC provide within the Arkells at the moment, and exec boxes.

Hospitality is really just some pre-match food and drink, plus a comfy seat to sit in to watch the game. It's an upgrade on going to the pub and sitting in your normal plastic seat, often used by normal punters and occasionally used by businesses.

Exec boxes are used by businesses for business entertainment, whilst there happens to be a game going on at the same time.   


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 10:54:43
If the prices were similar to the likes of Port Vale (£4.5k for the season) Iíd probably try and get a box for business and what not. Youíd be able to get between 8 and 10 people in for a match so they arenít actually that bad value. Assuming they have the usual row of seats in front of each box you can still sit outside and soak up the atmosphere. If you have 20 or 30 boxes thatís probably another £100k a year income a year minimum at this level and also thereís the fact that having facilities such as these probably make it more attractive to potential investors.

Our company has got a box at Kingsholm, I hate rugby and donít really watch the games but I still go when I can for the food and drink element.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 16:44:39
If the prices were similar to the likes of Port Vale (£4.5k for the season) Iíd probably try and get a box for business and what not. Youíd be able to get between 8 and 10 people in for a match so they arenít actually that bad value. Assuming they have the usual row of seats in front of each box you can still sit outside and soak up the atmosphere. If you have 20 or 30 boxes thatís probably another £100k a year income a year minimum at this level and also thereís the fact that having facilities such as these probably make it more attractive to potential investors.

Our company has got a box at Kingsholm, I hate rugby and donít really watch the games but I still go when I can for the food and drink element.
Yeah i agree that would be great value wouldn't it


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 19:53:17
If the prices were similar to the likes of Port Vale (£4.5k for the season) Iíd probably try and get a box for business and what not. Youíd be able to get between 8 and 10 people in for a match so they arenít actually that bad value.

Ours would be more than that, surely. That isn't much more than the cost of 10 adult season tickets.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 20:19:41
Morecambe charge 700 for a 10 person Box per game.

Wrexham charge 15k for the season and up - mentions food but not drink

Barnsley charge 1.1k per match

It would likely be a lot more than 4.5k per box.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 21:17:32
Morecambe charge 700 for a 10 person Box per game.

Wrexham charge 15k for the season and up - mentions food but not drink

Barnsley charge 1.1k per match

It would likely be a lot more than 4.5k per box.
Thereís quite often different sizes but Valeís start from £4500 plus VAT.  Iíd imagine a 8 or 10 person box at the end of the stand is probably cheaper. Food is an additional cost at Vale.

https://www.port-vale.co.uk/siteassets/commercial/updated-pvfc-brochure.pdf


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 21:23:12
Morecambe charge 700 for a 10 person Box per game.

Wrexham charge 15k for the season and up - mentions food but not drink

Barnsley charge 1.1k per match

It would likely be a lot more than 4.5k per box.

Yeah, Wrexhams £15k sounds a lot on the face of it but its about £65 per head per game.

On that logic, I'd expect ours to be more than that. Possibly up to the £20k range. Even that's approximately £87 per head, per game. Aren't some of the higher hospitality options in that range for a game already?

I suppose the main thing is though, most hospitality clients pay for a game and not a whole season and you want to encourage people/companies to commit to the season. Same as regular priced matchday tickets vs regular season tickets there would be a fair sized discount against one off match boxes.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 21:23:58
Food is an additional cost at Vale.

Ah, that'll explain that one.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, June 18, 2022, 17:57:25
Bit of a bump.

Please Clem can we have a Town End like this new development at Wrexham, thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NChQbENhk8c&t=31s


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Saturday, June 18, 2022, 18:08:23
Bit of a bump.

Please Clem can we have a Town End like this new development at Wrexham, thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NChQbENhk8c&t=31s

FYI to anyone else watching the video, after 30 seconds.. Youíve seen all you need to see hahah


It looks nice! There will be consultation on the CG Redevelopment to capture thoughts and ideas once the CG purchase has gone through


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Saturday, June 18, 2022, 18:15:21
Yeah, Wrexhams £15k sounds a lot on the face of it but its about £65 per head per game.

On that logic, I'd expect ours to be more than that. Possibly up to the £20k range. Even that's approximately £87 per head, per game. Aren't some of the higher hospitality options in that range for a game already?

I suppose the main thing is though, most hospitality clients pay for a game and not a whole season and you want to encourage people/companies to commit to the season. Same as regular priced matchday tickets vs regular season tickets there would be a fair sized discount against one off match boxes.

an even further bump! im going to guess purely on previous experience attending and booking hospitality that the majority sell out throughout the season. always seems to be high demand and i think the club do a great job in what they provide and finding the companies/offer good packages.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Saturday, June 18, 2022, 18:16:26
Bit of a bump.

Please Clem can we have a Town End like this new development at Wrexham, thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NChQbENhk8c&t=31s

its very good, but i would love a two tier vs a "kop"


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, June 18, 2022, 18:33:13
Bit of a bump.

Please Clem can we have a Town End like this new development at Wrexham, thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NChQbENhk8c&t=31s

That would do nicely.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: 4D on Sunday, June 19, 2022, 12:25:42
Has the build on the bank started yet?


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, June 19, 2022, 12:27:24
its very good, but i would love a two tier vs a "kop"
Why? The most atmospheric stands are single tier which is the whole point of the Town End.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, June 19, 2022, 12:31:27
Why? The most atmospheric stands are single tier which is the whole point of the Town End.
I agree, i hate double tier stands like at Southend and Brentford, I would rather we have one bit "Kop" style like Exeter have got with their "big bank" behind the goal.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, June 19, 2022, 13:44:14
Why? The most atmospheric stands are single tier which is the whole point of the Town End.

personal preference. surely the acoustics are better with 2 roofs? I love qpr away and think that would suit a townend better.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: reeves4england on Sunday, June 19, 2022, 15:02:40
Has the build on the bank started yet?
Next summer isn't it? Ground purchase hasn't even been completed yet.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, June 19, 2022, 15:05:01
personal preference. surely the acoustics are better with 2 roofs? I love qpr away and think that would suit a townend better.

I can't think of a modern two tiered stand with two roofs. They're all more like Walsalls


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, June 19, 2022, 15:26:25
personal preference. surely the acoustics are better with 2 roofs? I love qpr away and think that would suit a townend better.
Youíd never build a modern stand like QPRís as you canít see the near goal in some rows. Thereís a reason all Kopís are single tier and even Spurs built a single tier at one end., they provide the best atmosphere as itís an unbroken wall of noise. Dortmund is the best example of this.


Title: Re: Stratton Bank Roof?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, June 19, 2022, 20:08:42
Youíd never build a modern stand like QPRís as you canít see the near goal in some rows. Thereís a reason all Kopís are single tier and even Spurs built a single tier at one end., they provide the best atmosphere as itís an unbroken wall of noise. Dortmund is the best example of this.

why does the townend sound louder than the side stands? the big kops look incredible but our new townend would never be that big and it would just be a side stand with a smaller width.