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Top move

The club are clearly respecting our tradition of statement Friday - even if it is more announcement Friday!

What a bizarre move to say the least... didnt see this coming, we are fucked next season, we have no players...

at this moment in time we must only have about 10 or 11 first teamers left

another contributer to one of our worst seasons ever out of the door. Good.

 :nod:

Paolo really does have a complete rebuilding job on his hands.

Another contributor who got us to the L1 playoff gone. Bad. Felt he would bounce back with proper management next season.... right now we are going to struggle next season I think..... :(

Clear out and start again.

That's a lot of wages off the payroll. Now to get some quality replacements. The next few weeks are certainly going to be interesting.

Agree, Thought Cuthbert, Ferry and Douglas would give us a good spine in the team. Even JPM.

Thirded.

in Paolo we trust.

Have faith Gaz. Not as though he set the league alight last year was it?!

Yup - but then if not successful, noone can blame previous incumbents!

Should be an exciting few weeks.

@Gazza we are not 'fucked' - there are over 2 months until the start of next season...

If Douglas goes, I fear a relegation battle again..... Starting to think now we should have hired a manager who knows this level, Massive job now for an inexperienced manager who doesn't know L2. Time will tell though!

See where you're coming from, but I fear with Cuthbert we're throwing the baby out with the bathwater.  Unless of course the baby leapfrogged the side of the bath of his own volition.

Staggered by this. At his age he could have afforded to play at League 2 level. He's gone to Leyton Orient instead, I honestly don't know what he's thinking....

True but we have seen him do well and I felt he would bounce back in L2..... big job ahead.

tbh it was needed. shocked that he's left and LJF has been offered a contract though!

With all due respect it may have been Cuthbert who pioneered this move.  Yes we had the option to trigger another year but if he didn't want to be here then why bother?

Every single one of our players proved last season that they are totally replaceable. Except Charlie Austin.

This news has made me harder than the Times Crossword!! :beers:

Major rebuild job in store for PDC but thats some wages freed up.

Cuthbert made some almighty fuck ups...two of which (minimum) cost us points...

Only any good with Greer holding his hand....

Also had a pop at fans after some shit performances (although i kept this under my hat and never made a fuss)... :-[

All in all...............fuck off! :smugfu:

And Ferry. He was never given a look in infairness to him

Im loving the way all these shit cunts dont want to take responsibility for their failures last season and all jump ship at the first opportunity.

Im looking at you Rose,Prutton,Sheehan etc.

Not a bad thing mind

Right Sean O'Hanlon for captain next season then!! :)

Yeah, fair enough. I would make a serious effort to keep Ferry.

Think this is probably right.

I doubt we could afford to trigger the clauses in his and Douglas' contracts, so had to negotiate with them as free agents. Can understand him choosing L1 football, no great loss anyway on last season's form.

You might have to dust the old boots off Gary. Youll be alright for an hour

With all due respect to Bob Mills, Leyton cunting Orient?

From one useless lump to another! :D

At first I was disappointed with the news.

Then I thought that if someone like Cuthbert doesn't want to right the wrongs of last season, fuck him. We can do better.

The whole situation is just baffling. Why has he gone to Leyton Orient. Has Russell Slade drugged him and signed the contract on his behalf? Leyton fucking Orient? Dear me. All about the money......

Unfortunately the tables don't lie. They are in L1 and we are in L2.

Guess Paolo is going to get in an experienced no nonsense bull of a defender with Cuthbert's wage money. JFL and Cuthbert playing together in League 2 would have been horrific I would imagine, especially with Cuthbert's confidence very low after some poor performances and important mistakes. Fresh starts needed all round.

No disrespect to Orient but even with us in L2 its a bit of a backward step, We are surely a more attractive proposition than Leyton Fucking Orient. Shit Fans no atmosphere although they were just outside the playoffs.... Just a bizarre move really. Even in L2 we will have double the crowd they get and prob pay better wages.... just a odd odd decision. Maybe he just never had the bottle to play for a big club! :D

League Two and attractive do not mix. I totally understand his decision, even if it does grate that nobody will seemingly accept responsibility for last year

Maybe we didnt want him?

Why is it that whenever someone starts with "No disrespect to..." they then always go on to disrespect whoever or whatever they say they don't want to disrespect?

He's gone to a club that every season have the same target to avoid relegation to ensure they've met their objective. Hearn has said it a thousand times. League 1 is the best that Orient will ever be.

PdC has seen videos of last season.

It's no surprise he wants to fuck most of them off out the door.

Spineless cunts the lot of them.

Can't decide how I feel about this one.

It's almost as if Cuthbert has taken the first offer that he's received.I can't see LO paying him
more that he was on at STFC (Their average attendance last season was 4500) and the money
from their FA Cup run and games against Arsenal, would have been used up in running costs already.

If you wanted L1 football next season Scott,you should have crawled all the way to Bramhall Lane!

Leyton Orient knocked on the door of the play offs last year, we got relegated!

By not activating his extra year and trying to renegotiate with him he owed us nothing to stay. The club will have been aware of him having other options and im sure they have replacements.....Well i hope so

Maybe I missed out on the 'joke' but why do you have a Norwich player in your Avatar and is it Darren Eadie?

Ian Culverhouse

Good point herthab. We know he is a good player with a leader alongside him but PDC has just seen the shit from last year.

Will be extremely interesting to see how PDC re-builds our squad, which is looking quite thin now. Have a feeling he may need more that the 5 players being suggested.

Also, it can only be good to get his (I would think) high wages off the bill.

Ah right. Thanks!

It was my first choice for our new manager. Mr. Ian Culverhouse.

And a fine job he has done with Paul Lambert at Norwich!

I thought this was all a joke. Orient? Really?

Why would you go there?

Because they're in a higher fucking division!?

But seriously, who cares? Good riddance to anyone who leaves this summer. (Ferry excepted.)

Major job on Mr Di Canio.

I have faith you will deliver.

Look at it in the long term though. Orient will never be more than a League 1 club. If miraculously they managed to get promoted they would come straight back down.

Not surprised he left, am surprised he has gone to Orient. After last season that was the best offer he could get I suppose.

Disappointed myself. His form was as poor as everybody else's last season, but he had a lot of promise that first year. Oh well there is always Misun. Oh wait, no there isn't

Shame, lots of unrealized potential.

"I'm absolutely delighted to sign here," he said. "When I heard about the interest in me, I was really keen to come down here and get things sorted.

"It's moved quickly, I've had a chat with the manager and it seems like a great club that wants to move forward. I'm delighted to be a part of that.

"The manager's feeling really excited about the new season and after speaking to him, so am I. Staying in League 1 is great for me and I'm looking forward to getting stuck in now.

"That first season at Swindon was fantastic and it got me a lot of experience about being at the top of the division and pushing for the play-offs.

"Hopefully we can do the same this season at Leyton Orient and go one better than last year and get into that top-six."

Cuthbert joins Ben Chorley and Terrell Forbes in fighting for the O's central defensive slots and the former Scotland U21 international is looking forward to the challenge.

He continued: "I played in Scotland for a few years before I had the chance to move to Swindon and I spent two years there.

"I'm quite quick for a centre half and half decent on the ball and in the air. I just bring a different option to the manager and it's up to me now to get into pre-season, get fit and show that I'm worthy of being in the starting 11 at the start of the season."

There is one familiar face already in the O's ranks for Cuthbert, as Alex Revell enjoyed a loan spell at the County Ground from Southend in late 2009.

"I'm really pally with Alex and I got to know him quite well at Swindon," he added. "He came here last season and has been fantastic for this club.

"It's always nice when you have a friendly face when you first go into a changing room and I'm sure the rest of the boys will make me feel welcome as well."

I got a bit pissed off watching lots of unrealized potential last season. We had a good season out of him and a shit one, who's to say the first one wasn't a one-off?
When the going got tough he, and a lot of others, were invisible.

No great loss.

Let them have our shit from last season. To be honest Cuthbert isn't actually that bad though. I'm more concerned about who we will be signing. If we really do have quality players lined up then we can afford to let the likes of Cuthbert and Sheehan go.

I'm guessing that Bodin and others at the club would have had a good amount of influence on who was retained so it can't be just down to PdC seeing some horrors from last season.

Like most I really rated Cuthbert the previous season, but realistically we need to get an experienced CB in anyway (as all would agree) and with LJF and Flint in the squad we have more pressing need for spending the wage bill on strengthening other positions than paying what would be needed to get Cuthbert to stay.

A tough one which may turn out to be wrong in the long-term but as of now it's probably the bext short-term outcome.

Well said, seconded.

Given a choice I'd have opted for LJF over Cuthbert anyway. As long as we get a grizzly old, experienced CB to play alongside LJF/Flint then this is no big loss.

i'm extremely drunk, but think any player who wants to leave can fuck right off. 

While I accept that it's needed, the mass exodus does make me nervious!

Do your thing Mr. Di Canio

cuthbert was a pile of shit without greer along side him. JFl is a good prospect who i expect to flourish next season if we get an experinced leader in alongside him.
we need a centre back who is ready to come in for that job and take the armband aswell.

I'm a little nervous about next season to be honest. I just hope Di Canio has the judgement he says he has and brings in the type of players we need for a promotion push.

We desperately need 2 strikers and a good, solid and experienced centre back.

I'd also like a wide man.

and a left back ;)

And a central midfielder too if Dougie goes.

I think he will go too. Not that it bothers me

This is pretty much how I feel. I must admit I had a feeling that we'd renegotiate a contract with him. Shame the sale of Greer clearly affected him so much.

As a few others have already mentioned, I'm starting to feel a bit nervous about the number of players going out the door compared to the number coming in. I realise there's still plenty of time, but there seems to have been a fair bit of transfer activity going on elsewhere. I just hope what happens in the next couple of months doesn't leave us feeling disappointed and concerned before a ball is kicked. Def need to get someone through the door asap to settle the nerves!

Hes only gone cus he wasnt prepaerd to take a wage drop or possibly wanted more money. thanks scot but i dont think uve done yourself any favours.   :smugfu:

Was brilliant last year but clearly was unhappy last season and the comments about the fans did him no favours really.
His best mate plays(Revell) for them so he was off.
No point in trying to keep players who dont want to fight for the Town.
Incidently gettting rid of Revell proved costly,would have been good back up and who knows may have flourished.

Actually he did want to stay and was prepared to stay for a lot less than he was on this past season. However it was the club that decided not to offer him a contract and he found this out earlier in the week. I for one am sorry to see him go but hopefully Paolo has a few good prospects lined up

Is that more than guesswork?

No im not one to make up rumours with players. I also know that the Douglas negotiations are ongoing and no decision has been made to let him go yet. I know a lot of posters say they know this and that so believe what you want. I just don't want to see Cuthbert get made into this player that left for more money etc when that wasnt the truth

Ok, lets play guess who. You were born in 1989 and you're a player or ex player methinks. ;)

Thanks.

I wish i was good enough to be a player! Unfortunately instead of playing I have had to sit in the Don Rogers watching although after last season, like most of us know doubt I feel I could have actually done better!

Fair enough. You just seemed very defensive of Cuthbert.

Spells like a player

Part of the shake up and personally I'm none to sad about it or any of the other departures. Time4 for a nice big clean slate.

Cheerio Scotty. We'll see you again on our way back up.

I disagree, have you not seen Simon Ferry's tweets?
This guy can actually spell OK, he's not a footballer.

Simon Ferry has his own language.

What does braw mean ?

Do you not speak Jock Ralph? Braw means very nice.

I don't ken.

I ken that!

Funny how some people think. For me cuthbert is a good player, and signing the experienced cb to play alongside would have been good next year. yeah we had a shit season last year but why people are so keen to get rid of half the player that were part of the successful team the year before i have no idea. short memories i guess!!! Sheehan is as good a LB as you'll get in L2 and now cuthbert has gone and misun is who knows, we are miles short at the back.

I have to say i wasnt fussed about prutton or rose, i'm fussed about sheehan and cuthbert and will be shocked if we let douglas go, but the only thing thats going to change things is to see who PDC gets in, until then we've only gone backwards. fact

It's not a fact.

PdC has been promised funds to rebuild the squad and has got almost a month before pre season starts.
He (hopefully) knows what type of players he wants, both in terms of ability and mentality. Quite a few players proved they lacked the mentality aspect last season, so they're on their way.

Wait until July before you all start to panic for fucksake.

Dropping down to the basement lge dictates who comes and goes,Douglas will go,probably to Sheff Wednesday.
Sheehan was a liability on and off the pitch,not all the ticket in my opinion,as for Cuthbert once you have slated your own fans its always going to be Adios Amigos.

Dont look back,lets look forward,its more rosier in my humble opinion.

And on that note seeing as my garden is blooming with them, what's your favourite Leefer?

I would go with floribudas rather than hybrid teas as you usually get a better display.

Yellow is preferred, something like Sunflare.

[url width=499 height=333]http://www.rose-gardening-made-easy.com/images/sunflarefloribunda2.jpg[/url]

I have some Hybrid Tees,they dont snap like the usual wooden ones,as for flowers i am tempted to say pansies in honour of last season's squad,but in truth i will go for the humble Bluebell as it always means warmer weather is on its way...the hotter the better is how i like it.
Incidently last week i saw a blackberry in fruit,granted it was still green but Blackberries in May......plain crazy :D

 :D

Yum. Lots of analogies come to mind.

Danny Wilson - shrinking violet.
Paul Hart - poison ivy.
Scott Cuthbert - last year's binennial.
Charlie Austin - dandelion seed.

etc.

Talking of Tulips i once found two lips in some Dutch rodent Jello i once bought from a local deli...i took it back and the polish feller told me it was old song jello,apparently it was Two lips from hamster Jam :-[

Don't mock.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamster_Jam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamster_Jam)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3c/Hamster_Jam_(album).jpg

Ferry speaks (tweets?) just like a lot of people I know.  They should teach Weegie as a foreign language in secondary schools.

I also think its funny that so many people want to persis with the worst Swindon team of all time!

Sheehan better than left back in L2, as if - he's a liability.

We've gone backwards in numbers only. Considering we finished bottom that's got to be a good thing?

Just another 10 to get rid of now...

Fucking scummer flowers

I guess you would prefer something in red then?

[url width=686 height=724]http://www.digkids.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Tomato.jpg[/url]

D'ye ken Ted Moult?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U5mSLxEKV0

Cuthbert tweeted that he was never offered a contract but its Funny how cuthbert took time to answer lots of other questions but failed to answer mine....

@scott_15_ in the 121 did you clearly state you wanted to stay & fight for the cause? If you did & they still didn't then FairPlay #STFC

Another bottler

Totally agree with this, I'm not bothered about Cuthbert going, he was simply appalling last year. Get a couple of new big defenders in next week and it'll be all "Scott who?"

Those agent bods reckon there's two experienced defenders coming in next week. One English and a johnny foreigner

Good news, lets all get a bit 'thisis' and start naming with a degree of authority who these players are.

So,  its going to be Adam Barrett, and hmmmm lets see, the other is Alessandro Lucarelli (veteran Parma centre back)

If you went back to 2006 people were saying exactly the same about the likes of Ifil, Nicholas, Pook, Roberts, Smith, etc...  but all of them were regulars in the team that came back up.

Not saying they were great players but they could do a job with the right kind of players around them. Cuthbert needs an experienced head alongside him but he has a lot to offer in the right team.

Bring back The Beast, provided there is an experienced head along side him next season he'll fucking superb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsGXvTqiw_I

I'm not bothered about Sheehan, Prutton, Rose, Dossevi, O'Brien et al but I do think that Cuthbert showed in his first season that with the right players around that he can be more than an asset to a club.

One poor season doesn't define a career, espeicailly at his age.

Saying that, despite the usual paper talk it's pretty clear that Cuthbert, like the rest of them, was keen to go so it doesn't really matter either way!

That!

No one nor 1/2 dozen players are bigger than the club. The club was here before them and will be here after they have gone.

I agree entirely with this, other than the fact that Cuthbert wanted to go. How have you reached that conclusion? From what I've heard, Cuthbert was keen to stay on vastly reduced wages, but Di Canio decided he didn't want him.  Did we get a fee for him does anyone know? Y

 We all know that an experienced CB is essential, but with Cuthbert going, we now need at least one more as well. I'm sure Cuthbert would have done the job in League 2 even if he wasn't first choice, so I see no logic in leaving ourselves having to pay out for somebody who is unlikely to be any better.

I'll be surprised if Douglas remains and then we seriously need to be getting in 7 or 8 players not 5!  Imo it will be difficult to get promotion at the first time of asking after such a complete rebuild.

Out of interest how do you know he didn't want him? It's all just heresay isn't it

My opinion is purely down to cynicism.

One week "I want to stay"

Next week "I've joined Orient, the project here looks great etc etc etc"

Same old, same old and all that.

The club have been very quiet regarding the departing players which in one way is good because they don't need the send-off and bad in the sense that we don't know what's happening.

Cuthbert praised his time at Swindon because of the friends he had made (plus the P-O's), that's the impression I have anyway.

All of which, I think, is completely understandable when football is your profession.  You're being loyal to the company that's paying your salary.  I think we all know that the extent of Orient's 'project' is to stay in League 1, hope for another cup tie against Arsenal some time soon and hope that West Ham don't put them out of business all together with cut price tickets when they move to the Olympic Stadium (assuming West Ham stay in business themselves).  But nevertheless, Cuthbert is their player now...so he's going to at least feign enthusiasm for now.

Agreed, it's part and parcel of the game and I have no issues with that. I just think people read the positive spin by out-of-contract players in the papers and believe it.

Not too worried about this.

In simple terms, it's only worth getting rid of someone if you can replace with someone on a par or better.

I'm pretty sure that Paolo can replace last season's Cuthbert with someone better.

In Paolo we trust.

I'm not overly fussed. I must say there were only really 2 players i'd have wanted to keep from the current lot and that's Douglas and Cuthbert. Having said that though i'm sure he's been released for a reason and PDC probably has a player lined up. Just waiting on Douglas now really. Hoping we can keep him and Ferry here.

Cuthbert was released/allowed to go because of his wages. Too high for L2. The club offered him a lower paid contract but obviously went elsewhere.

A friend knows his girlfriend.

Neither will we,come on.

Ultimately next season it's irrelevent but we are a bigger club. We have more fans, more potential fans, better catchment area, better board, better stadium (which is due to be redevolped).

Orient are in a higher division but no way are they a bigger club than us. No chance.

Not saying we're worse off for him leaving, but we've missed out on a massive transfer fee because our whole team was bollocks last season.

Bit of a shame if you ask me.

I understand the bitterness from some people after last season, but if we sign the experienced CB we've needed for the last 12 months then Scotty would've been a huge asset... Mind you, if he wanted out or whatever then it's probably for the best.

I would imagine the majority of the squad would be wanting out.

Too fucking spineless to be ready to own upmand try and rectify last season imo.

I agree Benny.

I still think an experienced centre half is going to be critical to whoever else is in the defence. LJF needs support and encouragement but he seems to get the blame for everything.

I hope Douglas stays.

I have a felling McGovern will be next to leave..

Absolutely. LJF gets alot of unjustified stick in my opinion. Best ball playing CB we've got/had in a while. Just needs to hone his defencive skills.
I think it's critical we keep Dougie or at the very least make sure we keep and play Ferry regularly.

If Cuthbert had stayed we would need to sign an experienced CH to play alongside him (as he proved with his performances last season).

With him gone we still need an experienced CH to play alongside either LJF or Flint.

On that basis, bye Scott thanks for one good season & a poor one

Definitely.  In terms of long term potential, I think we have more going for us than most of the sides in League 1 next season.  That's why last season's relegation was so galling.  It never should have happened.  (But it did!)

Ardiles, we have to use this season as a spring board to try and achieve back to back promotions. It can be acheived with the momentum. Look at Hull, Peterborough, Southend, it's possible. Even with Norwich and Stevenage this season and Watford a decade ago.

....not to mention a certain STFC in 85/86 and 86/87  :hmmm:

Good riddance.

I do agree.  As Big Shaun says, we've done it before (slightly before my time, mind) and many others have done it since.

I don't want to come over all Leeds/Sheff Weds, but always felt last season that we were one of the better supported and better run (to a degree) clubs in League 1.  In League 2, we will have a huge advantage over almost all of the other clubs in the division.  Paolo's job is to translate that in to results.  Swindon expects, PDC.  Total rebuilding job required, but you're going to be judged rather quickly.

Why does everyone think he was on high wages?
He never played a first team game for celtic and id never heard of him, surely he wasnt on big money??!

He'd represented Scotland at every level from a young age apart from full international cap, he had spent a season in the SPL with St Mirren and was one of Celtic's most highly rated young players so yes he would have had a decent salary for sure.  As people have said since then hes given us one great season and one poor season so he is no great loss!

As I say if we could have coaxed Sean O back him and Cuthbert could have been immense in L2.

I wouldn't have wanted to see O'hanlon back here. He needs to find 'A big club', like franchise.

Oh, wait..

Fact is if PD has saw videos of last season then there will be none of last seasons squad here.....that wouldn't worry me in the least.
Really hope we get another good stopper....JPM and Douglas would be the only players i would keep.
A fresh start with young hungry players is needed.

Wouldn't keep Ritchie or Caddis then?

I wouldn't no,thats not to say that they are duff players,Caddis has shown glimpses of real quality but is much to inconsistant for me,as for Ritchie puts his heart and soul into his game and lge 2 may be a level he can really flourish so keeping him dosn't bother me at all but as i say if we had a completly new squad on opening day,it would suit me fine.
Not knocking the players we have,just saying for me personally a new start is needed and i wouldn't be miffed if they all left for pastures new.

Personally I'd keep those two myself.  I can see quality and effort from those two. Not saying it always works for them but out of the entire squad I think they were least culpable.

I'd hate to have to rely on Lex or Flint for the season, Flint is too inexerpeienced so is stil learning and Lex is still prone to a mistake now and again, he still hasn't found that consistency, personally I would have liked to see Cuthbert stay instead of lex but for whatever reason Cuthbert was not offered a new deal, good luck to him though I hope it works out.

I've never been a fan of LJF but I have to admit he's a lot better at Center-Back than left-back and has a lot of good attributes. He needs to sort his concentration out though it has to be said.

Flint looks like an absolute fucking beast and I would imagine he'll be a big player for us in time. Unfortunately we don't really have time though so two new center-backs for me please

I really like Lex at CB, he needs an experienced head alongside him though.

I'm sure he'll be back if we offer him more money than anyone else though. He'll just prentend we are a big club in the media then.

Agreed, his long ball distribution across the pitch is the best at the club, although we didint see much of it last season.

Aside from Greer's defensive quality he was also our key man for the quarterback pass (which I think we missed more but didn't realise it)

JPM - have you been on the juice leefer

Been far too quiet today for my liking.

LJF is my favourite player. If he leaves I will hang myself.

JPM will reap the rewards of a manager who will play him in the right position.
He was fucked around last season and indeed the season before...being forced to play in positions that are clearly not his style.....the season before last he was top assists in the division by a country mile and i will tell you this.....most lge 1 clubs will be looking at him if he leaves.

Also he is a good pro and never given the big i am unlike others who have left recently....hope he stays but like Douglas i really doubt he will.

To be fair JPM has been a good servant to the club. That said 3 of the 4 seasons he has been here he hasn't been very good imo. The JPM of 09/10 though...yeah id keep.

Good luck to the bastard, personnally I dont think we will miss him, very poor last season and I think its a good idea to get rid of the palyers who were part of the mess. Who`s next...? McGovern I reckon...

For me JPM cuts inside too much looking for the ball and then drifts over to the opposite wing leaving himself out of position when he loses posetion, I would not be sad if he left and we picked up a few quid for him.

jp keeps cutting onto his bastard left foot. get rid