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Oh dear Mr Hart, you negative cunt, did somebody have the nerve to call you nasty names - you have now claimed it was entirely one way but I saw you being restrained by other members of staff - who called the old bill?  Apparently you have been reported anyway!  Do us all a favour and fuck off right now, if you come round my door I'll call you more than nasty names!!!

Paul Hart - Do one...Now !!!

Utter cunt! Can't stand the man.

if he's been reported to police,then i find that pathetic.

I find him pathetic. cunt

Worst manager we've ever had. And a complete knob too.

No way back from this for him.

He's obviously been told he's off or decided he doesn't want to stay. That's probably why his interview was so bad. That said it was still very unprofessional. He was even getting angry with Vic Morgan at times. Not on really.

Most hated manager since McMuck....Go now !!!

I agree. People slagging him off face-to-face isn't on, and him giving it back isn't on. But for somebody to actually go to the police?? What a joke.

There were a number of police in the immediate vicinity when it started to get a bit nasty. One of them may have heard something rather than someone reporting it?

To be honest he is an arrogant twat,any manager taking the players to Witney for a meal is laughable,he likes the attention.
Ask  the Southampton manager if he is popping into Portsmouth tonight for a nice little quite meal.

FITTON NEEDS TO SORT IT QUICK.

Maybe. But if coppers arrest everybody who uses foul language at a football match, on or off the pitch, then the game will be dead. I'm not condoning it, but I hardly see it as a legal matter.

How?!  Sorry, I just don't buy the line that he took the players in to Oxford 'territory'.  They're fucking Oxford, FFS.  They don't have a territory.

And he slapped a scummer.  And gave Paul D's lad a great day out.  He's not all bad, you know.  OK, he's negative.  But he wears his heart on his sleeve...just like the fans who were having a pop.  Bit of balance!

Dream on....as a manager you dont go round slapping fans,whoever they support......hes a Town manager for fucksake.

That bit was tongue in cheek, Leef.  (Smiley thing, smiley thing.)

Things like that gave him some gold stars IMO

His interview today means he is now on - gold stars

I know Ardiles,......sorry i bit :-[

you the bugger who grassed then ;)

His interview today was such a joke... No respect whatsoever. Hart out. If it wasn't from the performance alone, that interview really really did it for me.

Was he so depressed because Fitton talked to him about you know what?

Going down is bad enough, but going down in such a negative way is blooding depressing. Hart please leave before most of the fans go before you.

This is how to "rapport" with your interviewer

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/notts_county/9466558.stm

I despise the man. But credit to him. Hart should learn.

Playing Devil's advocate here. Firstly the whole "insulted" football fan thing in general winds me up. I was in the DRS so can't comment, but in general if you give it out then you should expect it back - take it on the chin (figuratively) not run to the police.

Secondly, although BBC RS were well within their rights to talk to Hart, if he just found out he lost his job then its no surprise he was a bit off colour.

That said, I don't want him at the County Ground next year. Not because he didn't pull off an impossible mission, but because we didn't go down fighting (bar Andrew, Ritchie and Caddis). Too negative.

He's off.. Right?  :smugfu: :smugfu: :smugfu: :smugfu:

"We've just been discussing plans for next year, but we'll wait and see if I'm here or not," he said.

"There are 12 contracts up, so there is a great chance to rebuild, and it's an opportunity to get things sorted.

"I have a decision to make this weekend about whether I want to be a part of it or not."

Doesn't sound like he's leaving to me? Hopefully the decision is reference an alternate role, though fuck knows what!!

That interview had; "he's fucking off" all over it

I hope he's not even the "director of football" or whatnot. Don't want the fucking cunt near this club.

Just listened to the interview.  Definately seems like hes been told he wont be hear past the end of the season.

Richard Money please Mr Fitton

where is pauld :hmmm: is he contemplating :suicide: on account of his freind being slated, or is he round mr harts for a bbq tonight :D

Pauld knows that sod?

His lad attended a kids' training session during half term at the County Ground and Hart, by all accounts, couldn't do enough to make the kids enjoy their day.

Is he right to take us forward next season?  Probably not.  But I hate it when everything gets reduced to black & white.

Interesting. Couldn't get some kids to enjoy football.. How is he going to get adults to!  ???

i want to punch you for some reason.can't think why????????

maybe it's because you post utter shit.

Down boy, get in the que.

where you been dell?

Sulking quitely away from forums

nice to see you back.

Heard he has been sleeping at the old Southampton ground.

You've totally misunderstood what Ardiles was saying ::)

I'd go a long way for a shag these days Mr Leefer, mind you Southampton has always been a cert fixture.

Ditto arriba Dell.

Right my bad.  :toocool:

Hart sounded punch drunk during one of the most bizarre post match STFC interviews I've ever heard. I didn't hear what was said during the row by the dugouts from where I was sat, but I could see him turned round looking gobsmacked at the abuse he was getting.

I appreciate that we've all put up with a shite season and that no one predicted getting relegated in their wildest dreams. Harts' tactics seem to be negative and have been proved not to get results with this bunch of players.

That said, the bloke has tried to polish the preverbial turd for us. Whatever is, or has been wrong with our players this season, it is clearly still festering.

I think it's fucking wrong to turn on him like a bunch of pack animals. Hurling abuse at him during the match made our fans look cheap, parochial, brainless retards - which many obviously are in abundance.

As he said in his interview, the first 33 matches of this season seem to have been swept under the carpet.

Whatever damage that has been to our squad, isn't Paul Harts fault. Relegation Isn't Paul Harts fault. Conceding two stupid fucking goals due to schoolboy errors from our resident overpaid clown of a fucking goalkeeper, isn't Paul Harts fault.

Yep, he had the chance to try and save us and had he done so, he'd almost certainly of got the job. He couldn't do it though and after todays episode, he'll be off to pastures new.

Blaming him for this season is cuntish, short sighted and fucking juvenile.

Just a thought; how long will any new manager get to meet with the approval of the new self-appointed braying retards? How long before he gets abused for not doing things as they think he should?

Fuck me, Paul Trollope has already been pilloried as being a wanker! Who the fuck is going to get more than five or six matches with indifferent results before they get some stick too?

Whatever happens, word of our treatment of Hart will go around the football management circles like shit off a stick tonight. Don't be surprised to see one or two hasty rejections from otherwise fairly decent managent candidates.

Never thought I'd be ashamed to be a town fan, but tonight I'm fucking raging about this.

post of the day,and avatar of the forum.

Hi dell x

The words "Danny" and "Wilson" spring to mind

What treatment?

Give a man a job? and pay him (probably rather handsomely)

But oh, don't go to Swindon because some people might say some bad things.

Valid points but fans want to see a team who look certs for relegation going for it. Last week the 433 comment was an insult. We are not a team who can sit back with a 1-0 win and today was enough.

The fans get slated for being quiet and non passionate well sadly the ugly negative side of passion for a whole season spilled over. By the way I am not one for shouting for a Managers head during a game but having spent £'s this season and once again not missing a home game (130 mile round trip) I am totally pissed off with watching crap negative football that bores me to tears.

The Board need to take criticism and make a statement. The problems are repairable but a better profile Manager than Paul Hart will probably be required.
Town fans are angry and rightly so. Play off finalists to bottom of the League.
Once our fans have it in for a Manager end of. Many will never warm to Hart sadly therefore he must go and I won't be unhappy.

I blame Hart for today that's for sure. The players were up for it and playing well until he fucked around for it. For me a decent manager would have come out after the game and admitted he'd made mistakes. Hart was just a cunt about it all.

I'm not blaming him for our relegation. That blame has to go partly to Wilson for building such a shite squad, Fitton for sticking his nose in and selling our best players as well as not sacking Wilson soon enough and finally but by no means least the players for generally being a bunch of underperforming wankers for much of the season.

Maybe some of the personal abuse in the Arkells directed at Hart was out of order. I accept that. But chanting for him to be sacked imo just shows Fitton exactly what many Town fans are feeling right now. It needed to be done and today was finally the day that the fans made their feelings clear.

Every club has a dickhead faction though...and you can't generalise about them.  On the whole, our fanbase has been a model of restraint this season.  Probably too restrained, if we're honest.

When you add together Division 3 + bottom place + general ineptitude + lack of bollocks/fight, this season has been one of the very worst in our 130+ year history.  The fact that I can say that without fear of exaggeration scares the shit out of me, and the fact that it happened the season after the relative success of 2009/10 makes the whole thing even harder to take in.  So is it really surprising that a few brain donors have chosen vent their frustrations by choosing the wrong target?  No, it isn't.

Other clubs would have seen a lot more in the way of vitriol following a season like this.  What happened today wasn't clever or pretty.  But we're Swindon, not Leeds or Millwall.  This isn't going to make the headlines for long.

There's no way that any self respecting would-be Town manager would bat an eyelid at what went on today and there is no chance it would put them off applying. Given the circumstances (play off finalists last season, bottom this season, 17 games without a win, laughably negative tactics) What happened today would have happened anywhere and would have been a lost worse at a lot of clubs.

I'm not holding Hart responsible for us going down, but he has failed to achieve anything positive and has done sobwith a shockingly poor attitude. Wilson was sacked too late, but given what Hart has done for us, I'm confident we'd have gone down even if he'd been appointed before Xmas. He's been negative and largely clueless, and hasn't inspired any fight or passion in our frankly appalling squad.

Wilson takes alot of the blame    BUT   he had enough games to stay up even with the shit we have.

I have run Salisbury and District sides......even i would of got us at least two wins.

its been coming for a long time.

I dunno if you went to Plymouth and Exeter away but i did....total negative fuck ups...no wonder Grella (our best player) wanted to fuck off.

Negative formations, negative tactics and negative substitutions and one win, thats why he got it in the ear ole today.

Then he insults us by telling us he played three up front last week......fuck off....yes, we are blindly loyal but we aint fucking stupid!

Fitton is lucky that he saved us from the shit pan as im sure he would of go some too if not.

Sad times....remember it was the Arkells who dished it out...not the TE.

Deltaincline - so you think managers will be afraid to come here because of Paul Hart's experience and blame Wilson

Don't remember Danny having such a hard time - he was criticized heavily but treated very fairly by fans and board alike I think that would make STFC an attractive proposition

If potential managers are negative like PH then I bloody well hope they will be put off

No, I dont think managers will be afraid to come here. They are paid £150K + to take shit like that and most are pretty thick skinned. I think a few higher profile candidates might choose another club over us if they have a choice though.

And on the subject of so-called negativity, how many of you fuckers moaned when we beat Brentford with the same set up?

There is a fine line between making a team hard to beat and being negative.

I'm not a Paul Hart apologist. Yeah we've been fucking boring under him and results have been indifferent. Easy to say with hindsight.

I just think abusing him as if he's the sole architect of this seasons capitulation is naaive and cheap. It makes me so fucking ashamed that we can do that to someone brought in to try and save our season.

Agree with the point about today just finally boiling over though. Been a long haul for all of us.

I was watching my lad's team play in an u9s tournament - makes a pleasant change to see players play with some commitment and passion for the game. Not that it's any of your business, what the fuck are you having a go at me for?

Fucking lightweight.

For preferring to watch my kid over that shower of shite? Fucking sensible I call it.

What?

Took my lad today, I was absolutely delighted when at half time he kicked off and wanted to go home, of course I had to go with him.  :)

Lets hope the conversation went: "You don't have the job permanently, but as we're pretty much down already you have the choice of resigning now or managing the side for the remaining three games"

And not:

"12 players out of contract in the summer, as we're down already you can start telling the deadwood their contracts aren't being renewed and look at who you want to rebuild the squad"

Logic suggests the first option but it's been anything but a logical season.

Fuck me just heard the interview.

I dunno about that twat at Celtic but I'd happily post that fucking huge snouted cunt at our place a large, large bomb.

That is all.

Definitely the right decision made Paul, yesterday became the lowest of the low if that's possible.  How did your son get on?

I heard one was sent but Lucas dropped it.

Hart was always a disaster waiting to happen he has an awful win ratio and has absolutely no charisma , he should do the right and honourable thing and walk away letting Bodin takeover and blood some youngsters for the last 3 games. I honestly believe we would have been better keeping Wilson until the end of the season I am pretty sure we would not have finished rock bottom.

I've just made the mistake of listening to Hart's interview.  What a fucking embarassment... especially the last bit about guessing about him wanting to stay. 

Go now you stupid old cunt.

Just listened also. What a twat.

Vic shouldve chinned him

I said at the time that getting rid of Wilson wasnt going to solve the problem. Obviously those who wanted Wilson out didnt want Hart in, but the most popular choice would have been Gary Johnson and he hasnt managed to turn things around at Northampton in a similar space of time.

I have no doubt whatsoever that we'd have done better under Wilson than we have under Hart. Whether that would have been enough to keep us up is another matter but we've had enough winnable games at home against shit teams that even a slightly more attacking approach could have made the difference.

Harts position is completely untenable now. I cant even see the point of him continuing as far as Monday. In his "interview" after the game he slagged off the fans, admitted to having "no idea" why we collapsed at the end of the game, and refused to accept responsibility for the results under his management. All three are sackable offences in my book and Im normally very reluctant to see managers sacked.

It sounded at times as if he was about to.

Anyone who says Wilson should have stayed on is clearly doing so with massive hindsight

the rot had well and truely set in.he went too late

I think it's fair to say though that's he was probably told he's been axed before the interview hence why he didn't seem to give a shit.

I would agree with this, but it seems rather strange as to why he would then have come out and done an interview?  Surely he would have been better giving it a miss altogether or sending out McParland?

Makes it a bit obvious then though doesn't it? Fitton could have told him to still conduct his interview. After all the fans wanted answers. Not that they got them.

He and his team gave a good account of themselves in a tough group - they largely played sides from divisions above and battled hard and played some good stuff. Proud of them/him. And the A team (he's in the Bs) won the competition overall so he got to celebrate that with his mates. Only downside was we got back stupidly late and the bizarre localised downpour which was on a par with the monsoon we had at Brighton in the play-offs. And just like then, my shoes still aren't dry next morning!

Quite. We were fucked from the moment we picked up 1 point in 9 from that week where we played 3 teams around us. That was a crucial week and any new manager should have been brought in with at least a week to work with the side before that week if he was to make any difference, if only to be able to see for himself who the players are and work out what he thought his strongest side would be. Delayed and fudged decisions have cost us massively this season.

None of that excuses the complete arse Hart has made of things, but as I've already said elsewhere the damage was done long before he arrived. I don't think any other manager would have kept us up either, but I think most of them would have made a better fist of at least going down with some fight and pride. Although having just typed that, that does assume that the players have either of those qualities and with a few honourable exceptions I don't think most of them do.

If we had brought the right person in I believe we could have stayed up.

Playing 4-5-1 at home against the likes of Walsall, Dag & Red, Notts County, Hartlepool etc etc was terrible, We should have been going for it but Hart is such a negative defensive manager and for me it's anyone but him next season.

He came across so badly in his interview yesterday, Not being able to explain things, Saying "I don't know" several times, Slagging off the fans, Getting funny with Vic Morgan it was just the worst interview I have ever heard from a Swindon manager.

Totally agree, I think Vic did well not to chin him!!  I hope the board have been sent a tape of that interview - not only does he insult the BBC I believe he insulted the fans by saying it was them that had a real problem - not him!!!  He also insults the fans intelligence by claiming that we are playing a 4-3-3 when we are playing a 4-5-1 with the 1 a striker who couldn't hit a bar door from five yards - unless it is at Griffin Park!!  He came with a reputation of being a hard worker without an eye for goal and that is exactly what we have seen.

Interesting article from a certain Mr Allen I just picked up off another forum:

http://ht.ly/4FQhw (http://ht.ly/4FQhw)

Good read that rich

Just listened to the interview - there's parts of that, where he's just doing the one-word "Yeah" answers - which reminded me uncannily of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyV7-_Z5Q7Y

Link desn't work for me

Fixed it

surely Hart cant stay on now in any way or form at this club, he has slagged off the fans and the bbc and should rightly be sacked.

managers get slack all the time but yeserday was a day when the manager actually deserved it. swapping sheehan and rose over then all the faffing about with the ferry sub looked as if it unsettled us, yes we was unlucky not to go 2-0 up, all im saying is that yesterday most of my anger was aimed towards the management not towards the players.

if the players/manager cant take stick when they deserve it then there in the wrong job.

hart should go for his comments after the match and his attitude in the interview.
rose should also be fined or sacked for his comments on twitter, totally unprofessional.

Hart will go because he had a temporary contract to keep us up with a possible extention if he did so, with Wednesday away tomorrow he probably has 48 hours left of his contract.

Haha that's a brilliant interview.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/swindon_town/9466317.stm (for those who haven't listened yet).

Congrats Swindon. We've broken two managers in one season. Hope Paul Hart steps down so we can go for a quick last minute hat-trick.

Blimey i thought Danny sounded sucidal in his last couple of interviews but that sets a new benchmark.  I dont think we have to worry about Hart for next season, sounds like he has no interest in staying.

Hart is number 1 dicksucker

Are you a connoisseur then?

We're all frustrated but the actions of some of our fans yesterday were absolutely diabolical.

The abuse must've been bad for Allen to say "if you’d have been stood near Paul Hart’s technical area yesterday to see the abuse that he took, and what we put ourselves through, you would be shocked."

I'm sure Martin Allen has never said boo to a Goose.

That said, some people crossed the line from what I've seen/heard yes. The general tone of the crowd has been fairly forgiving by the standards of the season up until yesterday though, it'd be fair to say it had been coming.

I agree with Hart that the fans personally abusing him were a disgrace. They are attention seekers. When do these fans really get behind the team? I dont see it. It doesnt help and it means fewer managers will want the job. I should think Hart has already decided to quit.

Having said that, our second half performance yesterday was completely inept. Notts County looked one of the worst sides weve had down here all season.

I dont really know where the club goes from here, the only real way to turn our club around is to reinvest and rebuild the team, but the board seem to be giving signs that this will not happen. I think fans underestimated how painful these last few games would be, but Im more worried about next season now, that this abysmal disaster will continue. The leadership at the top of the club seems completely lacking and to be frank, it was poor before Danny Wilson arrived as well.

I am indeed.

Allen can fuck off with Hart.

I would honestly like to see Hart gone. We're not staying up. The fans don't like him. It can never work.

However the problem hasn't been with Hart, he may be useless but go back to last July and January and there lies the problem this season.

I think that the stick that the management got yesterday was in part the frustration of the season boiling over for some.

But I also think it's a message to the board that Hart is NOT the man for the job.

I think that a majority probably don't blame him for us being relegated, but do for the totally negative bollocks he has presided over in the last couple of months.


I still don't understand why he decided to move four players into different position early in the second half. He suggested it was because they moved Burgess over to the right. But Caddis was already having to deal with him quite a bit in the first half, and from what I remember we did OK in the first half.

He then said that he didn't bring on Ferry, as he was going to replace someone else & not Ritchie.
But to be honest, if you were going to replace Ritchie with one of the players on the bench, then surely the most obvious candidates (based on where he was playing) were either Ferry or Benyon.

As soon as the sub was made I did comment to those around us that this was Dagenham all over again, the difference was it took less than a minute for them to score this time and we then managed to gift them another goal.

What the fuck are you on about here?

Maurice Malpas springs to mind - Another wonderful investment made by Fitton - Complete clearout needed from top to bottom, although lets be fair, is anyone in their right mind going to want to come to Swindon ???.

Im saying they need to get their next appointment right. Because at the moment theyve made 1 good appointment and 2 bad ones.

And they need to develop a more coherant transfer policy with whoever comes in. No more spending hundreds of thousands of pounds for players the manager doesnt want.

I'm not completely convinced the Wilson appointment was that great a move.

I've always been dubious about the whole 'director of football' role but I'd go as far as to say we need one more than we need a new manager, to keep Fitton and co's paws off the footballing side of things and provide that communication that's obviously not there.

I'd agree with this. In fact, he's done exactly what he was brought in to prevent - relegation to League 2. Ok, so it's 2 seasons later, but it's still happened. Unfortunately in history terms that will be remembered above last season.

Personally I think Wilson is as good a calibre manager as we can attract. Do you remember the list of people we were likely to appoint (Money aside). Wilson got it wrong this season, so I can't complain he got the sack. Its a real shame.

What worries me is that it appeared getting Wilson was a bit of luck in that he became available at the right time.

Spot on. Wilson has to take some of the blame for this season but he is a good manager as his record here and elsewhere proves.

He was undermined by seeing 20+ goal strikers sold in 3 out of the last 4 transfer windows, plus his captain and best defender being sold aswell. Worse still, in the cases of Greer and Austin the sales were made at the very end of the transfer window leaving very little time to sign replacements.

No matter how good a manager you are its very difficult to be successful under those circumstances.

Once Austin left this group of players was always likely to struggle (as many people predicted during January even before he was sold) Replacing Wilson was never likely to improve things and as Hart has proved it was perfectly possible to make things a good deal worse.

Yeah whatever.

The way things are looking at the moment it might take 10 years to get out of League 2. That might convince you. I think Wilson might be remmembered for the season we beat Leeds 3 nil twice and punched well above our weight.

To be honest, I think our fans were crap in terms of backing Wilson. A lot of people turned on him and undermined him when it became clear we wouldnt make the play offs this season and history will show what a rediculously fickle decision that was. The players were looking to blame him as well. The scapegoats gone, were still here to pick up the mess.

Oh FFS! Why might it take 10 years to get out of League 2? Based on what exactly? And how is challenging for promotion in the 3rd tier "punching above our weight"? It's where we've been for the majority of the clubs history. It's pretty much our natural place in the football order.

AND HART HAS NOT MADE THINGS WORSE! He's picked as many points in the last 3 games as Wilson managed in his last 13. They're not much better, and not any better to watch from all accounts, but they are not worse.

Because we need an injection into the team to mount a challenge next season and all the signs are that we wont get it. Then who knows how long it will take?

As for our natural order, youve got to remmember what has happened to a lot of football clubs in the last 15 years. A lot of clubs in the Championship have doubled their crowds in that time. When we won division 2 in 1996 we had the highest attendances in the league with an average of around 10,000. Last season in the third tier our attendances were dwarfed by Leeds, Norwich, Southampton, Charlton, even Millwall and Huddersfields attendances were significantly bigger than ours. The third tier has become a bit of a crossroads, between those clubs who are capable of averaging 20,000 and who are capable of getting back into the top flight, and clubs who average less than 10,000, lower league clubs who will be lucky to get back into the Championship. There are very few clubs in between. If we were going to keep our natural football order, we would need to be averaging 14,000+ to keep up with increase from other teams. We couldnt even sell out the home end for the Charlton PO semi.

Hart's tactics are completely inept. Damage limitation. And for me yes, we have been worse under him.

Do you think we won't be getting new players?

Wilsons last 13 games, 6 points
Harts last 3 games, 3 points

Still, never mind the facts eh? In reality in that few games just quoting the number of points is not a revealing comparison as a flukey goal in one or two games can easily distort the picture. Its also arguable that the run of games Hart has had included a lot more games against sides at the bottom of the table.

You're entitled to your view if you think Hart hasnt made things worse. I cant believe anyone who saw that shambles on Saturday thinks that.

I do. Just hope they are not all either free transfers or 'ones for the future'. We need to spend money on players who will come in and play 50 games next season.

So what are the signs that we won't get the players we need?

The total recruitment failure of our club in the transfer market over the last 12 months?

Only 1 player we paid money for has played regularly, Caddis. And verdicts on him are like marmite.

...and Ritchie.

Thanks. Bearing Ritchie in mind, total failure is too strong.

But its been poor. The likes of Benyon, Flint, Misun and even Ferry will struggle to give us any value for money from here.

Fixed that for you!

Yes he is partly responsible. But I dont think he had final say.

Who signed Yinka Casal?

Malpas, well I say Malpas - he was in charge at the time.

You've kinda defeated your own argument their spencer!

I think the transfers are done by commitee. and we need to put some trust in a manager and let him buy players he's going to play.

End of. 

Yes Spence

And Casal is an example of us doing just that!

Surely if we did that most of the players would fail drugs tests.

Which would be fabulous - meaning contracts could be terminated without pay offs!

I think the title of this thread is ace 8)