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ive set up my 47 inch tv on the decking, having a few freinds round with there wifes and kids, bbq, a rake of beer, should be a great afternoon, my only concern is i have a virgin plus box and it seems to run a couple of seconds behind sky, dont want to hear houses around me screaming goal as im still waitching it leave rooneys foot :D

Going to watch banger racing at Standlake.

 ;D

cracking pub by there called the rose revived :beers:

Cross Keys here in Wootton Bassett - Big screen in the function room and £2 a pint - Winner  :beers:

at home.i'm fucking hanging so wish i didn't say i was going to do a bbq.

Old Town. Although I'd rather watch it at home because I'm a miserable old bastard.

Across the road from my place where they sell cocktail smoothies.

I can't get the reception from my room and so I'll be taking my TV down there instead.

I couldn't give a fuck about us winning the WC (not tonight anyway), just stopping the yermans from winning it will give me the instant gratification that I crave.

My front room on my own, i hate people.

Don't know as I'm off to a BBQ shortly. Bad planning from England, the cunts......

At home

There's no way I'll let people ruin my day by annoying me in a bar... I'll be at home.

By people, I mean those who watch football like it's the Olympics, once every for years and only when there's something riding on it.

Eurgh.

Not sure,maybe at home,maybe the Grot or the Runner..

Home as I have work later. Can't even have a beer.

Wankers

No where!! I'm at work and found out we have an effing pool party 3 till 4!!! Then another pool session half 4 till half 5! GREAT!!!

At home, pissed up wankers annoy the fuck out of me.

I really cannot understand the logic of watching it on a pixelated screen that always cuts out in walkabouts or other places. I am staying at blighty, a sofa, cans in the fridge that cost next to nothing, a 42'' HD screen. Surely don't get better unless you have a bigger screen and nicer drinks?

At home - wife and kids have gone to a BBQ - I will catch them up after the game.

COME ENGLAND!!!

What a shit goal to concede....

Woeful

Where was the fucking defence ?

All the Germans are doing are letting us have all the possession, and breaking on us, and we cannot cope.

Where is the defensive midfielder?

The two centre halves are a fucking shambles.

They wouldn't look out of place in League 2.

The way this is going the Germans could score 6.

That's better...2-1

How the fuck was that not given ?

Maybe we should play them up front

That fucking linesman has got it in for us

So Uruguaian linesmen, related to Nazi war criminals perhaps?  ;)

If that been a Swindon 'goal' i'd have been fucking livid.

You don't need technology to give that 'goal', but someone just watching the goal line...simple.

There was a similar incident at the CG this season just gone, where the ball went over the line but not given....but I cannot remember which game it was.

Fair play to the Germans though, different class to England in the first half

Shit defending, shit refereeing and 3 goals.

Would be entertaining had it not been England.

I would also say utterly shit linesmaning.

I'm thousands of miles away and I could see it was over the line the first time I saw it.  :D

By the way, Sepp Blatter is a wanker.

On the brightside, if we win now it'll be the greatest feeling ever.

dont you mean fair play to the Poles?

What gets me is that the England bench spot it from the half way line, whilst the lino cannot spot it 20-30 yards away.

And if we don't win we've got an excuse.

Win Win.

Will Stevie G stop fucking going for glory...

Get Barry off as he's certainly not doing a very good job in his defensive midfield job,

Milner's unlucky to be taken off...

FFS

Where was the fucking defence ?

Absolute fucking shambles....

Don't worry Heskey's coming on....

good sub Capello

...and now Heskey

ahahahahahahahhahahahaha

I'll get there before adje does - I blame Beckham.

We appear to have very poor understanding of basic football.

I'm thinking we're gonna concede more before the 90 mins are out.

Can't wait to see the headlines tomorrow...

I don't know who's supposedly our defensive midfielder, but whenever we've lost the ball the Germans have had a free run at our defence, and there has been no closing down of their players.

Golden generation....what a fucking joke?

I don't understand how the commentators are saying Lampard's 'goal' is now academic. If it'd been given then it would be a completely different game.

This isn't down to the management. It's a player power generation.

It's the ultimate wake up call, as long as English football is governed the way it is then pray for our international game.

to be fair, the defence should probably do some defending as well.

The non-goal will be talked about... But the scoreline kills hysteria.

Humiliating.

I never expected us to win the World Cup, but to go out to the Germans like this hurts.

Trouble is it appears only Cole knows how to do this.

Agreed. The nation will be scathing and now I cannot defend them.

So will the fans boo or applaud our Premiership heroes?

That's because there is too many of our midfield players who would rather look for personal glory ahead of the team. That is why Gerrard, who started out as the defensive midfield player, and played in that position in the 2001 5-1 win in Munich, no longer wants to play in that position as he wants to be forward and score goals.

Capello should tell them, you either play in x position or you don't play at all, and you have 11 men who wants to play for their country, and not pick anyone who 'retires'.

Rooney has been a big disappointment....in fact most of the team have.

Usually at least one England players increases their stock some what after the World Cup/Euros.

I dont think a single England player can lay claim to that this time, David James did alright but Germans 3rd should have been saved.

Why bother with injury time?  Put us out of our misery.

Oh come on, that's a shit argument. Gerrard's played the attacking midfield role for Liverpool for 5 years or so now.

It's not personal glory, it's just pure individualism. They can't, and don't seem to want to, play as a team. I'd rather 11 inferior players that play well as a team than fielding 11 individuals.

Thank fuck that's over...

Now we can get on and enjoy it

Wholesale changes are an absolute must now.  In my opinion Terry, Johnson and Heskey should be nowhere near that team and Lampard and Barry should be fucking dropped from the first team.

Charlie Austin upfront.

Oh yeah and Joe Hart needs to step up as first choice.

wayne rooney - first touch was never with him, also too isolated
frank lampard - just shite. didn't seem to do anything positive
steven gerrard - stop shooting as soon as you get the ball

i started off angry but by 80 minutes we didn't deserve to have even scored 2.
tear it all down and start again

I guess they aren't being paid enough, they only seem to turn up for £100k a week.

It has shown them up for what they are, an average team with one good player who looked hopelessly out of form.

I'd like to say £64 winnings softened the blow but not really. I don't know why, I wasn't expecting us to do much but there we go.

Germany looked a very good counter attacking side and them vs Argentina could be a heck of a game. Ozil is going to be one hell of a player. As for England, I can see blame being thrown everywhere but ultimately I just don't think we had the players. The "Golden Generation" passed in 2006/8, this team haven't really replaced Owen, Neville, Ferdinand, Beckham et al. Particularly worrying is the lack of pace at the back which really cost us today.

Capello is a smart cookie getting the clause removed to get rid of him, but I don't really blame him. Overhyped and overexpected as ever, and I expect the tabloid media to dissolve in a storm of indignation tomorrow and campaign for Harry Redknapp to be manager to push me even further over the edge.

That said, Blatter is still a cunt.

It'll be interesting to see what happens next. Will Capello resign? Will some of the players 'retire' ?

Ultimately, I image we'll blame FIFA and nothing will change.

Agree about Barry, he was so slow today he was ging backwards, but Lampard...he was the only England player who looked like scoring (and actually did) today.

But wholesale changes need to happen. I got to feel sorry for Crouch, considering his international scoring record, that he didn't even get on the field.

We were truly awful. You cannot defend that badly and win a world cup sadly.

you'd hope capello will resign. he's picked some donkey's for this squad and ignored form players. his tactics haven't really given us that extra edge...unlike germany

Fully agree. We made an average German side look like world beaters. Ozil is a good player, but every time they broke they had the freedom of the park

Other than score a perfectly good goal, hit the bar.

Whereas the inspirational leader was AWOL for most of the game.

Let's be fair the problem in this game was the defense, we gave away two goals that wouldn't have looked out of place in League 2, and then been caught on the counter attack twice.

 

If Capello has balls then he will drop 5 or 6 of that squad.  Follow the German example and trust in youth.

Stupid like for like subs as well. I've gone right off Capello. Is he really as good a manager as people were suggesting? I think not. Good yes but of the same standard as the likes of Jose? No. Not in my opinion.

Of course he may have just taken on an impossible job. England players just don't seem up to it at all in most major tournaments.

What quality young players have we got?

Oh yes, one other thing: Steven Gerrard played one of the most self-absorbed performances I've ever seen, shooting every time he got the ball and without looking up. Disgraceful and I do think he's one of our better players, but he bought into the "Super Stevie G" thing in style and cost us a few good chances when it might have made a difference.

Agree with Herthab on youth- there'll be calls for mass changes but who do we have? The current generation are average at best and I think it's a bit early yet for Rodwell and Wilshere.

Personally, I don't really blame Capello... I think he's essentially paid a lot of money to be a summertime babysitter. He doesn't operate that squad, he might believe he does.

We've wasted a good opportunity to take several younger players to get tournament experience... Is Shaun Wright-Phillps the future? Could Theo Walcott be? You can't even argue that Walcott had a poor season because there were several players in that squad that also played below par.

But that's a sidenote... That was an abysmal performance.

The first one reminded me of the goal we conceded in the first leg against Charlton.

Bracing myself for 606!

Doesn't matter who the manager is.  This squad is simply not good enough.  

Stephen Darby, Danny Ward and Charlie Austin

soz, i meant over the tournament

I wish the BBC 'experts' would stop going on about Rooney up front with Gerrard just behind. Rooney was shite all tournament, and Gerrard not much better, despite trying to shoot every time he gets near goal.

Blood letting has now started...

I thought that, and in fact the Germans third goal reminded me of our second goal that night

At least the cricket is going well...

A fucking nut-job is on 606 right now... claiming that all the players should have their salaries cut.  What fucking difference would that make?

Very well in fact, I've decided to prefer Cricket for the summer.

what an absolute shambles that was.cappello should be sacked immediately.bringing on heskey when we were chasing the game was pathetic.the playing of gerrard wide left was a disgrace.not taking a left footed midifielder was another disgrace.useless iti cunt cant even speak our language.cunt!

some of those out there today should never play for england again.
terry was absolute dog shit.as was the clown alongside him.lampard seems to think he can just trot around the park and not bust a gut to get back, or make a tackle.prick!
rooney was a complete and utter pile of shit and should have been subbed at half time.he aint anywhere near fit and his touch was worse than jerel ifil.

i honestly fancied us today,but that was an utter joke.

Guy on 606 wants the Government to cut their salaries because they are paid too much. I do agree they are paid too much that's down to the clubs...moron.

Alan Green said Stevie G has had a good WC. Time for Alan Green to take his pro-Liverpool shades off his head...

insert toilet joke here

Quote of the day :

Emile Heskey couldn't even score in Amsterdam !!  :D

At least the cricketers have won a World Cup lately...

Cappello's subs were indeed bewildering, but it's not his fault we're out. I doubt any manager could have got a performance out of that shower of shite. Complacent, fucking useless, gutless egotistical pricks, the lot of them. Again, I fervently hope every man jack of is booed every time they take to the pitch, touch the ball or generally show their self-satisfied smug fucking faces from hereon in.

Really glad I went to see my lad play in the Lydiard 6s tournament this morning - at least I got to see a bunch of 7-8 year olds put in a shift and play like it mattered to them. He was shocked how poor we were today and said to me after the 3rd "Dad if I'd defended that badly this morning, you'd have really shouted at me". And he's bloody right. So much for John fucking Terry and his passion for England and all that "Captain of People's Hearts" armband snatching shite.

  England really are up shit creek without a paddle....the big name disciplinarian has failed miserably, after the laissez faire approach of Sven/McClaren also failed.

 Can we do as Germany have done....namely go with young players.  Here's teh 2 sides that met in the Euro U 21 a year ago.

 Germany U21: Neuer, Beck, Howedes, Boateng, Boenisch, Hummels (Aogo 83), Johnson (Schwaab 68), Castro, Khedira, Ozil (Schmelzer 89), Wagner.
Subs Not Used: Fromlowitz, Ebert, Marin, Grote, Adlung, Ben-Hatira, Ede, Sippel.

Goals: Castro 23, Ozil 48, Wagner 79, 84.

Booked: Boenisch, Wagner.

England U21: Loach, Cranie (Gardner 80), Richards, Onuoha (Mancienne 46), Gibbs, Cattermole, Muamba (Rodwell 77), Noble, Milner, Walcott, Johnson.
Subs Not Used: Lewis, Taylor, Stearman, Tomkins, Driver, Rose.

Germany had 4 playing today....England 1...

Germany had Joachim Loew as manager....someone with next to no club pedigree, but noted as an innovator, who trusts young players.

Don't really think it's an option for England....would a Hodgson or Redknapp do a job?  Not so sure, think we just need to accept that without an overhaul of the entire system, it's likely to get worse before it gets better.

We absolutely need to work harder in getting younger players in.

Hodgson might take a punt on an unfancied player... But Redknapp wouldn't, no way.

He would if he thought he'd get a cut of the action, but he can't "wheel and deal" in the England job

If the players aren't good enough then they aren't good enough. And they aren't.

I don't care what Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney and the like do for there clubs. They have better players around them there. They clearly can't do it on the world stage.

People will blame Cappello, and he should take some of the flack, but the bottom line is we need to start rebuilding with the next generation because this bunch of shite aren't up to it..

Roll on August and proper football.

England players are going to get a shock, they seem quite relaxed by their performance! Curse their media training.

the lack of the effort from some of them today was unbelievable.at 2-1 terry got skinned when matey cut inside of him,and reacted by jogging back instead of sprinting to recover.unexcusable.i dont think lampard made a tackle at all.another useless cunt who tries when he has the ball, but doesn't do anything off the ball.
my lad plays at the back, and i wouldn't speak to him for the rest of the day if he made the errors terry and upson did.
the shape,or lack of was embarrasing too.too narrow and congested.yet no-one to be seen when on the backfoot.

Not to mention the one paced attacking Arriba. Plod, plod, plod.

Oops.

Think they are more interested in which new supercar to buy with thier next hundred grand or so to get one over on their team mates. Pick a side from the Championship and Leagues one and two next time, they'll be up for it

The big cliche at the moment-"we didn't play to our full potential"-bollocks,we DID and that's the fucking problem!

rooney and defoe got in each others way.infact rooney has been awful at this world cup

Got to give credit to Germany (Hard, I know!) They broke very well and were exciting, at times, to watch.

They are also a young side, who will probably just get better and stronger.

We have an ageing side with very little real quality breaking through from U21.

Doesn't bode well for the future, does it?

I love our national ignorance which goes along the lines of...

I've never heard of Sami Khedira, Manuel Neuer et al, so our players MUST be better.

German football is in a very, very healthy state and it always will be.

To borrow an internet phrase, fml.

I've been saying the same for the last 4 years at work,in the pub etc. I did find it funny today though. That should stop all the hype next time hopefully (although I doubt it)

That's the first time I've watched an England game in two or three years. Why oh why did I do it?

13 players in the German squad had ten caps or less at the start of the competition - Says a lot.

Germany were the best team however old they were.

Oh dear.

The linesmen and ref should be shot for the "goal"

Overpaid and overrated.

Only players to come out with anything from this cup were James and Ashley Cole. Consistent.

606 was funny mind

How exactly? Just means they haven't played much that's all.

It won't. We were shit against the US, shit against Algeria, and managed a fantastic 1-0 against teeny tiny Slovakia (Population just over that of Cornwall). But, because we got through the group stage many people began to believe we would beat Germany.

Delusional, or just fucking stupid?

They are fuckin that up as well :(

both.

Phew , that was too close for comfort

They played like they had an eternity of understanding. It shows that you don't need experience to win big games like this... You need a squad that works to a formula.

Nor did the rest of the midield, especially our 'so called' defensive midfielder Gareth Barry, who was as quick as Ross MacLaren in his prime.

Thank god it wasn't 2-1 or the cracks would have been well and truly papered over.

Yeah, it was a horrific decision and everything is ifs, buts and maybes - but he were bad, real bad!

Part of me, quite a big part, like all of me apart from maybe my left knee, wanted Germany to get a few more. It was very difficult to keep behind such a horrendous England side.

Sort of like how the crowd must have felt in Rocky IV when they all get behind Rock.

To be honest 6-2 would have been a fair result

Always did prefer the Euros...

Anyway, Top Gear's back tonight. Wahey!

Totally missed that fact so thanks!

The banger racing was brilliant.

Capello must go in my opinion. Barely a person in the country would have taken the squad he took. There was no left sided midfielder and he stuck riggidly to a 4-4-2 that everyone could see was shit. Even my sister knew that we needed 4-5-1 of a variation of, yet we all no Capello would never have done that.

Blatter is a total cunt. Loved him getting on stage at the start and acting like some sort of god.

Barry do you or don't you care about England? One thread you're laughing and couldn't care less and this one you're calling for Capello's resignation! :D

Fabio Capello got us there with ease. He made selection errors and probably will go but I wouldn't be annoyed if he stayed.

Our players just can't get there heads around World Football! This could be why the big hitters in La Liga and Serie A are never majorly interested in our best English players...

Right, I'll clear it up. :)

I'm severely disillusioned and hate the way this current bunch of wasters have played. I would like to punch everyone of the cunts in the face, so yes i care, but i hate them and them losing makes me hope it hurts them, so it pleases me! I'm English and support England, i'm just jaded and filled with hate at the lack of desire.

Capello clearly has pedigree, but the squad he took, his unbending need to play 4-4-2, his subs and the total lack of desire in our team isn't entirely down to the 11 on the field. I just think some of what I've seen him do is baffling of Andy King like proportions.

With regard to getting there, i'd say Becks had a massive hand in that because i'm sure i recall us being a far better team when he played. Could be wrong though.

So our players play like cunts but the foreigner gets it. Beckham has been a spare part throughout the qualifying camapign. 4-4-2 did us just fine qualifying. Now all of a suddent the experts are saying play Gerrard behind Rooney - we've done this once and lost 2-0.
I don't think Capello has covered himself in glory but I blame him less than those useless cunts who took to the pitch and forgot how to actually control a ball - yes Rooney, you uselss cunt who couldn't trap a bag of cement.

Im afraid you are-he only started one game,mind you he looked good against Andorra!

Only started one game, but how many games did he affect? I'm sure i recall us looking dogshit for a while, then he played and whipped a ball onto someones head. I'm also sure of many occasions breathing a sigh of relief when SWP or Walcott was subbed off for him. Although i'm aware you hate him, so I don't expect a Dave type stato answer. :)

Exactly.

I'd like to see it go one step further and the first game of the Premiership season get boycotted completely - maybe then those overpaid useless twats would realise how pissed off everyone was.  Would never happen though, because the premiership fans will continue to make excuses for the fact that their 'heroes' are incapable of playing in the national shirt!  They'll probably give them a standing ovation for fear of them going to play abroad if they get booed!


My 6 year old now understands what it is to be a Swindonian football fan.  Pain at Wembley, pain today.  If only I could promise him it will get better, he's got years of this to come yet!

The trouble is the Premiership.  It's been sold as the best in the world. PR teams have been employed to promote it as such and we've all fallen for it.

Overseas players have come saying that they want to play in 'the best league in the world'. In order to attract them stupid wages have been paid.

English players have fallen for the lie that it's the best league. Trouble is, it's populated by overseas players who make it good, it's not the English players. 

When the English players play their overseas team mates we all get to see how crap they really are.

That's pretty fucking perfectly put.

I don't claim to be a football expert but the following seemed a bit odd to me:

- Taking off Milner. I thought when he stuck to the touchline he offered an outlet. The two times in the 2nd half that I thought we looked most dangerous was when the ball was played to him.
- We lacked pace. Wouldn't it have been better to take Walcott, stick him on a wing and say - 'Chase that fucker Theo!'
- Why were all the players bunching up in the middle of the park? Were the crowd tormenting them of something?

I think that was against Andorra ;)

There you have it then. :D

Ill stick to old swindon town. International football is overhyped, but dont get me rong, i was down the pub screaming at the linesman at about 3:30 on sunday.

What a complete and utter pile of wank!

How long before the referee gets death threats

Pretty much the worst footballing display i've ever seen that.

Where to go?  For my money a massive cull - Joe Hart, Dawson, fuck knows maybe Huddlestone, Adam Johnson, that lad from Ipswich maybe, fucking Charlie Austin...

As Reg said ideally we should do as Germany have done and back the new generation but I'm not convinced we have enough depth in that department.

Harry Rednapp- no, Frank Lampard's uncle, would not be prepared to make sweeping changes we need to make.

Roy Hodgeson - brilliant manager, would probably make the right footballing decisions but somehow I just don't see it.

Stuart Pearce - unfortunately his tutaledge under Capello has taken a massive turn for the worst.

Basically we're fucked good and proper, don't want another foreigner in as coach but we have no one English really up to the job.

God I hate John Terry...

I take your point about Harry, I hadn't really considered that side of it and I think you're right. Why not Hodgson though?

Has Hodgson got the right character for the job? Would the players respect him?

I can confirm I will definitely be boycotting not only the first game but the whole Premiership season :)

If the latter's a criteria, then no-one's suitable for the job - the current crop of players don't respect anyone. Even themselves, apparently

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Trevor Brooking is already warning that there are few quality young players ready to step up and
not to expect significant improvements with England before and during WC 2014.

Although i don't agree with every aspect of this article,at least this journalist isn't showing the
usual one eyed slant of the tabloids, with the 'blame Capello for everything' mantra with much of this
mornings media.He also comes up with a very interesting fact of just how few coaches in this country,
hold full UEFA coaching badges,in comparison to other European countries.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jun/27/england-football-world-cup-fa

Oh yes, did I actually hear the commentator at one point say "How many Germans would get into this English team? 1? 2?"

I did mishear that, right?

If not, I'd have:

Neuer
Lahm
Mertesacker
Khedira
Schweinsteiger
Ozil
Podolski
Klose
Muller

So 9, actually. Surely at least 6 of those there'd be no debate for?

I thought I'd wait and reflect the day after with a calmer head on but I've just seen Andy Gray on SSN giving his opinion and all I can think is KILL !

Yep, as long as they do it Canadian style:
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Don't know, I think he'd be a good choice but I can't really see the FA going with him.

*Sussex's joke*  Baby seal walks into a club... *Sussex's joke*

You were a day early for Canada Day, but close enough.