Thetownend.com

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23370879-drivers-can-avoid-speeding-ticketsby-changing-lanes.do

or alternativly slow down

Well done to the Evening Standard for bringing it to the attention of the general public thereby increasing the risk to safety posed by the loophole.

I like the people that jump on their brakes, then boot it once they've gone past one of those. I think people who don't understand what is meant by "average speed" deserve tickets. I will try this lane changing thing out tomorrow, because i despise those nazi cameras. (Apart from when conditions require them.)

What like motorways when everyone is going at high speed?

Like roadworks DRS. I wouldn't want to work on the side of the road with just a row of cones separating me from cars doing 70mph. I don't think they're justified when the road condition is fine and the area is not prone to congestion.

i knew of this ages ago.where they are set up usually needs to have cars traveling slower.

You've just linked to a story that's nearly 3 years old - published on Sept 13th 2007, to be precise.  Take a look at the dates on the comments at the bottom of the story.

Yeah, but still the same in principal.

You don't think they might have changed things in the meantime ?

I prefer to drive at inappropriate speeds risking the lives of those around me and the lives of the workforce who choose to work on the motorway to upkeep the surface so it's safe for me and my kids to drive on.

Perhaps if we all drove faster through roadworks it might encourage the lazy gits to get on with it and finish the job before they pop their clogs ?

Most areas where they are the lanes are too congested to be changing every few hundred yards.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure they wised up to the single lane issue and changed the law to catch people who switch lanes out.

Why the average?...50 limit or none at all.

Clarksons idea of driving though the 50mph average speed zone at 200mph, then stopping just before the end for a fag and cup of tea is the  best solution

Come on trucker - how could they enforce that  ?

There's nothing wrong with a 70 limit, until you get the really narrow lanes and roadworks.

I just hate the average speed cameras because you end up spending more time looking at the speedo than the road.

All roadworks should be a 50 limit.........why the average shit?

leefer it records the average speed.nothing to do with anything else average

Because it is supposed to ensure people travel at 50 all the way through the roadworks?

I though the cameras could now get you even if you changed lanes - but obviously a lot of roadworks don't have cameras covering all 3 lanes, so then the lane swap works. Happy to be wrong on that.

Motorways remain the safest classification of road.

These SPECS cameras are going to become increasingly prevalent in future.  Traffic volumes are going to rise much faster than road space.  While it may rile those with deep environmental convictions, I think there's a fairly persuasive argument for upgrading routes that suffer consistent congestion; roads such as the A1, A14 and A303 would have been built as motorways in many other countries, but we seem to muddle through.  However, that isn't going to happen any time soon.

Instead, we're going to have to go for the cheaper option of hard-shoulder running (as already trialled on the M42) for some roads.  But I think another big change will be a massive roll out of SPECS cameras across pretty much the whole motorway network.  If you can't add any more lanes (due to environmental and/or cash considerations) you will be able to avoid at least some of the congestion by getting everyone to drive at 60 mph or 70 mph and rigidly enforcing it.  In a few years from now, the experience of motorway driving could be quite different.  Much higher traffic density, but all 3 lanes sat there at 70 mph in cruise control.

Apart from lorries, coaches and towing vehicles.

What you're proposing is the same amount of vehicles doing a different speed. How does that solve congestion?

What if you own a car that can't reach 60mph?

Then your living in the middle ages.

The lower the speed the less space is required. If all 3 lanes travelled at the same speed all the time everything would be sweet as fuck forever and ever.

Maybe the next generation of cars could bend time and space, thus congestion wouldn't be an issue at all.

If we all drove modified DeLorean's all we would need is a launching stretch to get up to 88mph.

maybe scotty can just beam us all up?

Plus, we could travel forward a few million years and leave all our rubbish there. We'd live in times of less pollution and they'd be clever enough to get rid of it. Probably by taking it another few million years into the future or pushing it through a stargate.

Indeed, hence why the M25 tries to get you to stick in the same lane.

But constant speed could be 90 or 40, I say anyone who won't/can't do a constant 90 during 6am - 9pm shouldn't be allowed on the motorway. Think about it. No more Sunday drivers. No more lorries/busses/horse boxes. No more dithering Doris. The motorways would become less congested and we would all get there a lot quicker.

Sure the A roads would be congested to a stanstill in the day. But I'm at work then so don't care.

There, sorted. Why aren't I minister for transport.

How about a min and max for each lane. Lane 1 (50-70mph), Lane 2 (70-90mph), Lane 3 (90-150mph).

But then theoretically you could pull out to overtake/change lanes and have someone going 80mph faster than you are.

Mirror, signal then floor it

Yeah, I read that in the Highway Code yonks ago.

I think..?

You mean like Germany ?  Where they have this and also the safest (i believe) motorways in Europe ?

The fact is that modern cars are far better equipped to go faster than the cards were when the 70Mph limit was made....

The trouble is that not all drivers are capable of handling a car at high speed......

Maybe if all drivers were required to undergo some form of "high speed" training - then sensibly we could have a motorway system that (when traffic allows) goes up to 100Mph ?

What an ace concept. Every man jack of you would be king of the road and ahead of the pack in no time at all.

Snap

Everyone would drive to suit the conditions

You would have to slow down for the bridge on the way to Newmarket.

Another thread descends in to puns! Ace!

Going back to the argument about improving roads, it's quite widely believed that improving roads does not ease congestion, but instead encourages their greater use. This is why many cities in developing countries have massive road networks which are constantly packed. For example, Cairo. The city became too congested so they improved roads in and out. The improved road access to the city centre (coupled with the construction of satellite towns) led to an increase in traffic and thus did nothing to reduce congestion, despite massive improvements in public transport provision.

This all sounds a bit rummy to me. Have patience.

I liked this.  A lot.

This thread is a flop. We need to turn it round before we sell ourselves down the river.

I think it is shuffling along fine, as long as we keep it on the deck and don't cut up rough. Whi(l)st we go down the river at least we can Go Fish.

I'm not posting on this thread any more. I'll see you.