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A few people are saying if we go down Wilson should be sacked... Absolutely ridiculous IMO.

He has brought in 3 players (Greer, Robson-Kanu, OTJ) , all who have done well to various degrees although not seen enough of OTJ. FFS at least give him a year and let him make his own squad next season when up to 15 players can go.  >:(

The squad was massively fucked up by the previous incumbent, it will take time, No L2 is not going to be fun if we go down, but thats life, we get on with it.

I await sarcastic comments and to be slagged off  :D

what did he do at city?

Erm Razak and Lescinel too Gazza

a fresh ex player chomping at the bit was the way to go before malpas came in.we may well go doen now due to fittons fuck ups

Made the playoffs?

Fuck city.

Its the Barnsley in the prem i like

Fitton's fault though not Wilson, which I do agree with. Fitton is too keen to be loyal to people. Unfortunately Football is a cut throat business.

yeah they were ace.city backed him for quite a while and he delivered fuck all.Franchise? out of the basement with hartelepool.whoppee.how many journeymen managers are sucessful at different clubs?

Ok who do we bring in then? Who is going to win most of our games now? Effectively who would YOU bring in?

I can honestly say at this point in time Wilson has done nothing to win me over but he has also done nothing to make me want him sacked.

I do feel we have a squad that is good enough to stay up in L1. There is no way a squad of this talent should be relegated, but it will be.

I'd like to see Wilson given a chance to bring in his own players and mold his own team. Which is will in the summer

...but...chances are 'his' team wont gel quickly enough and when we are only 10th in L2 around October the fans will get restless as they expect us to go up as Champions. Around late November when he hasnt got any better the fans will get on his back and he'll get sacked.

Then like every year we'll appoint someone in January and have to wait 8 months till they can have their own team and repeat.

Jamie Cureton with Aaron Brown as assistant.

We'd have a whole team and back room of inept blokes

Lets get some perspective, we're not going to get in another manager at this point in time who will keep us up.

IF we go down then yes, maybe make the point Wilson should go. He's not taken us down yet, there's all to play for. We've more fight about us than we had under Malpas, shame about some of the fans.

ex top flight pro should  have been given the job ages ago.

i said gary speed before i read his name anywhere else

Wilson was an ex top flight pro though.

i don't feel he should be sacked, i feel a lot better with him in charge and can see glimpses of positivity...it's just frustrating it's usually just before the other team scores

the squad is currently shit/underperforming and we've barely invested in it

under sturrock we had pretty much the same squad give or take a few and i think you could argue he got them to over perform, given no one else has managed to get anything out of them.

Wilson is the best bet for rebuilding.  Need a manager around for two or three years for all sorts of reasons.

yep and has had numerous cracks at management.
fresh,raw,new is what i meant.

Ady Williams it is then

not top flight.;)

He did once play in an FA Cup semi-final though don't ya know

Sacking the manager isn't the answer, yet. I await who he offers contracts too.

By Wilson's own admission today his players dont "show enough commitment".Its the age-old question,should a manager have to motivate his players or should they motivate themselves?It was always a criticism of Malpas and the same could be levelled at DW.

I'm willing to give him at least 10 games into the new season :)

Isn't this thread exactly the same stuff as we had a year ago with MM? "He needs the summer to build etc etc". Yes and look where that got us. Whilst i do believe that he should not be sacked at this stage with 10 games to go i do think we have to look at it in the summer. You can't expect your job to be safe if your team is relegated.

We all know the players are poor. There will be a clearout in the summer i hope. I'd like to think the board will do one thing or another if we go down. They'll either sack Wilson and all the coaching staff or leave Wilson to his own devices and let him get on with a clearout which may also include coaching staff as well as players and put a bit of money to support him in our attempts to bounce back up. It's got to be one or the other and i don't think there can be an in between.

I don't agree with sacking Wilson but I've not been very impressed with him either. If we're in business of sacking then the majority of the players are way ahead of Wilson in my opinion, followed by the coaching staff including Byrne.

FFS we don't know under what cash restraints he is having to work with.  Remember, when Fitton took over they gave almost all the current youth team pro contracts, effectively he has a squad of about 35 pro footballers, most of whom he has been unable to shift out to make way for new blood.  If he could have shifted six of those, perhaps we would have seen at least three more signings.

And we can all thank good old Maurice for signing shit like Nalis and Casal.

I wonder if we're still paying MM.

If the Swindon faithful get their way we could have 3 managers on the wage bill.

 :eek:

Replace Byrne and Williams with DV.

Job done.

hahaha. oh your no joking.

We're getting through far too many managers.  I would not even start considering Wilson's position until Jan 2010, and only then if we were rooted near the bottom of Division Two.  I am reasonably confident he will come good as manager.  Hope he's here in several years from now.

If we get relegated sack Wilson???? Baffling really. He should be given next season regardless which division we are in. The difference between MM and DW is simple

MM inherited a decent squad who were doing well he made them shit
DW has inherited that same squad who are now shit and he on his own admission says the players don't give a shit, he needs to be able to overhaul the squad. MM should have been able to make a couple of additions to the squad to make them half decent.

I trust DW to get rid of the dead wood and either give us a respectable L1 position next year or get us back up at the first chance. Sacking DW is not the answer. I think the answer is more to do with the coaching set up than anything else.

When I was advocating Maurice Malpas having a summer to build a squad I, perhaps foolishly, assumed that there would be some significant transfer activity both coming and going from the County Ground.

This coming pre-season must surely involve around 10 departures? Right?

I dont see how sacking wilson will achieve anything bar destabilize the club again,Im not sure who to point the finger at but we seem to have a serious mentality problem.I don't go to the away games for obvious reason's so it's hard for me to judge those performance's but im a ST holder at home and the games i've seen'the last 10 to 15 mins we sit to deep and invite other team's onto us" now is this a mentality problem ? or are they being coached to sit back when we look like fashioning some kind of result.

We've brought in greer,we've swapped ifil for morrison and we've dropped smith for awankwah and still nothing change's.

I dont blame wilson i think it's a lot more deep rooted than that.  

man management is the be all and end all at stfc.ie a turd polisher.
if wilson could do this, he would have by now.no initial lift,no stabilisation.
an eye for a player granted,but without funds that is no good at all

I suspect the plan is to release more or less anyone who is out of contract and start the process of replacing them with youth team players, in addition to a few experienced pros.

It is easier to do this in L2, as there are only 2 relegation slots, and the standard lower, which gives the kids a bit of time to develop.

As I posted on the other thread...

Apart from the Hartlepool game our recent performances have been better than anything Malpas served up so to say that Wilson should be sacked is way over the top IMO.  Bearing in mind that bar 3 loan players, Wilson is working with an absolute pile of dogshit that Malpas had a hand in putting together so can you really blame Wilson for the results.  All he can do with the shit hand that he has been given is improve performances, which in an ideal world should bring improved results.  Wilson has improved performances, so he has done what he was brought here to do, the fact that the results have not improved is something that he can do little about!  He can't magic up a winning formula even if he has managed to magic up improvement in performance.

IMO there is nothing more that Danny can do as far as improving the results on top of what he has already done.  Fitton and co. need to ask themselves whether they want to stay in this league or not, if they do they need to give Danny the ammunition to bring in fresh faces for the rest of the season and if necessary talk to agents to do that!  If they don't then they can sit back and watch Danny get unfairly lambasted by people already calling for his head.  Unfortunately this should have been done back in January rather than halfway through March when only loan signings are the available means of bringing players in.

I agree....

But who exactly is saying to sack Wilson?

Cheltenham was absolute fucking dross and in my opinion worse than Hartlepool. The worrying thing is that nobody seems capable of motivating this bunch of useless cunts. They'll play when they can be arsed.
After a few games this season it weas obviuos that any team who were reasonably organised and flew into the tackles would beat us and that remains the same.
You can't turn that around quickly unless you get a Judas Cunt Mooney type of player and strike lucky. Its not Wilson's fault he has inherited such shite.

Agreed.

I wouldn't sack Wilson and don't think he should be sacked if we go down, the players are just a bunch of shite and i hope most of them leave in the summer an struggle to get another club, no manager would get the best out of these clowns, ok Sturrock done well with them but i don't blame Wilson at all.

Me....well TBF I say give him til the end of the season and if we're down then he should go.

That's becaus eyou've obviously spent your whole life being a fucking miserable, moaning cunt.  Never mind, it'll soon be over.

Not even Alex Ferguson would turn this squad around you can not coach SHIT

sturrock did

Got to agree with that. People piss and moan that we've not had stability at the club for years with managers leaving regularly, yet they are more than happy to continue the trend if we get relegated. It this short-sightedness that has caused us problems in the past and hasn't really passed. Getting rid of Wilson won't make things any better and who would we replace him with?

Once we are relegated it wouldn't be exclusively Wilson's fault either, Malpas and Fitton have to side some of it, along with the players who have looked half-arsed. People, it seems, get on the back of the manager far too easy these days because there has to be a scapegoat for our ineptness. Many of us have expected far too much in such a short time since Fitton has taken over and unfortunately that has made our situation much harder to take. But I still think there is still time to get ourselves out of the shit we find ourselves in, stranger things have happened in football.

Yeah, and Wilsons coaching the same shit nearly 2 years later!

I don't buy this "Sturrock got a silk purse out of a sow's ear with this squad". He got roughly the same core squad playing well enough to scrape out of League 2, then fucked off after a couple of months in League 1, far too early to judge how he would have managed a whole season of them running hot and cold at the higher level. Which is what they've been doing ever since.

Fuck all this chopping and chamging masnager every 10 minutes. Need to let Wilsopn hsave a go at building a team before getting rid.

Had a beer or two Batch?

If not, you need a new keyboard as yours seems to have turned russian!

 ;D

Speak to you in the morning!

Whereas I suspect you're talking out of your anus once again.

Well I went out after the game and just got home without hearing any aftermath of shit pathetic txts on BBCRS.

No DW shouldnt go, he has inherited a totally unmotivational squad, they dont want to play for DW they dont seem to want to play for Swindon so ship them out ASAP, Danny has brought in a few good/ish players in Greer and Kanu, still too early to know about Razak, Lescinel and Tudur-Jones but DW does seem to be able to spot a talent as did AK.

Let DW bring in his own players in the Summer, as we hoped MM would last year but inevitable didnt, wether we stay up or not DW should be able to bring in his own players who he knows will play to his system and strategies which the current players obviously cannot...whether thats due to them not being intelligent enough to understand tactics or whether thats because they are just spineless fuckwits only out to collect their nice pay packets at the end of the week is pretty much irellivent, the point is they seem unable/unwilling to perform for Swindon so remove them and replace them.

I dont agree that we can replace 1st team players with youth players as they just are not close enough yet, with the exception of Morrison, yes Kennedy did well enough but Allen (who is very highly rated by the staff) showed he is miles away from being able to play for the 1st team, playing well at Youth level against Youth opponents is hundreds of miles away from playing 1st team against men who will bully, intimidate and general boss youngsters off the pitch at this level.

That is unless we have a budding Gazza or Michael Owen sitting in the youths...which we dont.

DW didnt inspire me when he took over at the club, but he is a decent manager as he showed at Barnsley and not doing badly at Shitty always being up and around the play off places, at Sheff Weds he got the sack for them being near the relegation places...he never actually got the relegated and that was after he guided them to 12th place in the Premiership the season before.

He even got a Premier Manager of the Month award in 2000, he did poor at MKD and he did get Hartlepoo almost the title in the year we came back up from the bottom division so he has a varied but mostly OK track record as manager.

The Hartlepoo game was awful, the players not playing how DW likes to play, against Cheltenham we had a bad day at the office (which yes has happened a lot this year) but thats hardly the managers fault if the players dont want to perform.

Against MKD we pretty much played them off the park with good attacking football, attractive flowing football, that gives me enough confidence in his ability to get us performing...if he is allowed to bring in the players he wants, who will perform how he wants them to (hopefully).

At the end of the day the manager isnt the problem, the problem is the players, they lack a willingness to perform and lack any motivation to play for Swindon...that and there have been several individual defensive errors that have cost us, by all the back 5 and usually they have been punished with us conceding a goal directly from it, Ifil, Brez, Smith, Kanyuka, Aljofree etc etc etc the list is endless.

We need stability at the club and hopefully DW is the man to provide it for us.

The run in is entirely in our own hands now, lets see if any players have the balls for the fight.

All I ever do is look at the facts and try and make some sort of sense of them...of course things don't have to work that way...as we don't live in a rational world.

In our present situation we know in all likelihood we'll be playing Div 4 next season....we know that Wilson has said no contract talks until we know where we're playing next season....but 2 youth teamers have been signed up.

We know that last season 9 youth team players were given pro contracts.

We know Fitton has said money wont be thrown at this project....we know there is a wage cap in L2.

Now when you consider these facts, it looks like an opportunity to get most of the deadwood journeymen off the books, and start to feed through the young players.

Of course it might be that the Board feel so humiliated by the balls up of getting us relegated, that they take a completely different view. We'll see.

The facts suggest Wilson wants the team to earn their contracts.

Facts suggest Wilson (if still manager) will be given a reduced budget and have to create a squad accordingly...we've still got a few under contract who must be relatively high earners, which is a problem, as they're not very productive players.

I'll agree to disagree then, because there's more assumptions involved here than anyone is making out.

Spot on JJ!

He will certainly have a reduced budget, it's capped in L2 by the FL!

It's the only Division in which this rule is enforced.Just out of interest does anybody know how
Peterborough got around this,when they signed the likes of Boyd, Maclean, Mckail-Smith and Joe Lewis?

They were signed for substantial fees along with Keats and Westwood from Walsall, on long contracts.

We're playing a lot better under Wilson, and it isn't his squad. We've all been quick to judge teams in the Premier League for chopping and changing and this is no different. If our fans are honestly calling for Wilsons head come the end of the season I will lose the very little faith I have in the clubs supporters. We seem to expect too much too soon.

In all honesty I can see Fitton saying fuck it and walking, and then we'll really see what he's done for the club. We need to get the mindset in that we're a small club with a shit load of problems that won't take a year to fix.

Tails you are a glass half full kind of guy and I agree with most of your sentiments. But surely our current situation isn't acceptable is it?

Almost literally. I don't get out much these days :|)

Tails, to be honest I COULD see Fitton saying fuck it and walking.

End of the day the bloke said he was staking his reputation on Maurice Malpas. Hardly heard anything from him this year, other than contract/sale speculation about Simon Cox.

Hope he doesnt. But, lets face it, the bloke will be humiliated if we are relegated.  

Could be back to being the STFC we all know? With the future all up in the air, nothing guaranteed. And to be honest, fucking good. 12 months was plenty of players without a care in the world, saying 'the futures bright'. Because its fucking bollocks, if you dont care and you dont work hard then you are going nowhere.

I don't think that AF will feel humiliated if we go down, I just think that it will make him more determined. He is a very successful business man after all.

If anything I think that if we go down then he would be ashamed by walking away because it meant that he failed and quit, has AF ever quit on anything? (I actually don't know the answer to that).

He may be a tad pissed off but he will stay, he does have deep pockets after all.

I agree with this.

As fans we do expect too much too soon, but are we wrong for expecting this team to stay up?

Fitton made two mistakes.

One big one in appointing Malpas and not getting someone in sooner.

Now i am allowing him to put it right....we have improved IMO but not getting the points.

Stick with it now.

But getting points, is kinda the point of managing a side....if we go down then Wilson will have failed, it's that simple.

 I can't see how rebuilding would be easier than stepping into taking over a side that was not doing great, but was at least in 18th, with a job description of getting a few wins to move up the table.

I agree with BR that I don't see AF walking because he feels humiliated, I think if anything he'd be more determined to turn it round, if he felt the fans were with him. I AM getting increasingly concerned that if the mouth breathers on RS texts/the Adver site don't tone it down, the board may just think "Fuck it, why are we bothering? All we get is shit" and then we really will be in the poo. Make no mistake, there's going to be 30-40 clubs over the next 2-3 years who will stare down the barrel of extinction - there were enough clubs in a perilous state before the recession hit. We were fortunate enough, having been in that position already for 5-6 years, to have found a white knight to pull us out of it just before the recession hit. I'm very worried that a few loudmouths could drop us right back in the shit and drive out the kind of stability most clubs at this level could only dream of

You are right Paul. But Radio Swindon need to start editing these texts because at the end of the day you could have 10 teenagers with free texts sending 30 texts each after the game. On sites like this, where people are actually a face behind a screen then its a different story isnt it?

But on the other hand we need accountability. Its starts at the top.

Do the players feel accountable, I dont think they do.

I know what you are saying but i just dont think this is the right time.

I think you've pretty much summed up exactly what happens on RS texts and on the Adver comments section. Or at least it was like that a few months back, I'm assuming it hasn't improved, I haven't looked recently. Life's too short.

Yes, that's the conundrum isn't it? Nobody wants to stop fans having their say, just be nice to see a more balanced set of views on some of the more visible ends (RS/Adver). I'm sure if they were asked, they'd just say they can only air/print what they get sent and if it bothers us that much, we should all sit texting obsessively as well.

Surely better to act at the end of the season, and give the new man a pre season, than chance Wilson repeating his failure.

Are you going to be able to replace Wilson with somebody more capable in league 2?

At least give Wilson a pre season and a run of games with his own players!  Maybe you want the job Reg?

I'd imagine Wilson will be kept on even if we go down....just don't think he's the man for us.

He fucked me off dragging McNamee off for Smith......just plain silly.

Flash, we had shape before we took McNamee off.

Smith comes on, but stays back for the corners, even though Vincent is marking Leeds only man up front (Beckford). Then the ball breaks free, but Smith doesnt even go for the ball, he just stays in no mans land, not marking anyone not going to the ball.

I could see the goal comming because we had stopped chasing the ball down into the corners. McNamee nearly made a 90 minutes, but not quite. Still questions about his fitness. Surely a pro footballer should be able to do this for fun?

The trouble is spencer he suffer's from asthma so i doubt very much he will last ninety mins to often.

Fucking hell. Just come in from the pub and ploughed this shit thread.
Wilson will do ok for us us, if given the time,
Everybody seems to want instant success, which won't be sustainable, If DW fucks up next season, fine. But at least give the guy a pre season and a chance to get a squad he wants.
We're not man utd, or real madrid, we're a lower league side. live with it, or sit in the pub with your premiership replica shirt on.
What a bunch of moaning fuckers...

Fucking Hell Hertha i thought you were low when i saw you at the final whistle!

Good post.  Whatever happens this season, and it doesn't look good, we need stability. 

What we need is a manager with drive and ambition, someone who can organise and fire up the players, and transmit a bit of excitement to the fans.

I don't know why people keep saying "Wilson's got a decent record, he'll get it right if we give him time" because, as I pointed out several times when we were first talking about appointing him, his record is actually a bit dodgy. There's no sustained success since he was at Barnsley a bloody long time ago, and NO success in battling relegation at all.

I think we might be going down.

Anyone who thinks wilson should go is a grade a cunt. The same people who said give malpas time are now saying wilson should go. How can you justify getting rid of someone who has not had the chance to sign 1 player?

I see where you're coming from, but are a group of highly successful business men really going to take much notice of some 'loudmouths' on the local paper site. I'm sure they're wise enough to know those comments aren't representative of all the fans.

I personally don't expect to see Fitton go anytime soon, a relegation will probably be seen as just a 'setback / opportunity'.

For me the main concern as to whether they may decide to quit is the how the recession has affected their personal finances / investments.

Wilson, are you Malpas in disguise?
Same old sob stories.
His squad is plenty big enough to pick a decent team from, so why can't he do it?

Because the players aren't good enough you gimpazoid

This is the type of cunt the board are getting annoyed with

Wilson has put his finger on it in todays Adver.

Hes certainly not stupid, or affraid to call things as they are, like Malpas was.

RE the sob stories, must admit i'm getting very fed up with the drivel the adver keep churning out about, "time for action not words" etc etc, but back to topic, what a spanner oth is.

:nod:

Yes I love playing with my nuts.

Someone explain to me, what players have left since Sturrock was in charge?

The Boub and Minge plus a bunch of no-hopers and never has beens like the 3 Amigos, Blackburn and Andy Caton, oh and Nicholas.

And we've brought it Big Kev, Timlin, Cox, Kanyuka, Macca, and Wilson's loan signings. The squad now is bigger than it's ever been and the signings are better than those that went the other way.

So if the players aren't good enough for this league now then they certainly weren't at the beginning of last season, when PS seemed to be coping.

Difference being paul sturrock is one of the best man managers in the game.

Doing really well at Plymouth

How many of saturdays starting 11 played under sturrock alot then

I think that was sort of my point............

That's not the fucking point is it. The point is that the vast majority of the players that were picked under Sturrock are still at the club and available to play. The fact that a couple of managers since have added about 8 players to the squad doesn't make the squd weaker but stronger.

Answer the question u prick.

Who do you think you are Jeremy Paxman?

The question doesn't mean anything in this context but it's probably about 5 players, Cox and Paynter, Smith and Smith and Vincent.

But Ifil and Brez were on the Bench, Easton and McGovern are available, Corr and Peacs are injured, much the same as under PS, and all the kids that got signed are are largely still around.

The fact is most the team Sturrock played is still around, but Wilson is choosing, (probably correctly on form) to play some of the other players he has available.

My point is still the fucking same Wilson has more quality available to him than Sturrock did.

Name me three players that Sturrock had and used regularly that you'd put in the side that played on Saturday over those that actually played?

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Disagree, he took over from Wise who was doing a good job when he left

Incidentally I'm not advocating sacking Wilson. I do wish we hadn't appointed him, and I'm not convinced he's the answer in the long term. But we can't change managers every 9 month and hope to acheive anything. I think we're more than likely fucked this season. But Wilson got HU up at the first time of asking and it's possible he can do that again.

Why do people keep on harping back to Sturrock?  He has gone a long time ago!  What Sturrock was capable of doing with the players has absolutely fuck all to do with what is going on now.  We were lucky to have a manager of Sturrocks credentials for that period of time, but because of his credentials he moved on to a higher level fairly sharpish, but FFS move on!

We are talking about the here and now and what Sturrock did is now irrelivant!

The players are older, the club is a different place with different limitations to manage under, the squad of players have a totally different mentality now with a confidence level way lower than it was 2 years ago, and more importantly we no longer have the quality coaching staff that Sturrock brought with him.  Also, we are playing in a league higher than the league that Sturrock had his success in, in League 1 he wasn't here that long, and I can bet the majority of the league 1 season he knew he was off anyway.

To expect DW to produce the same taking into account all of the above is nuts.  Lets look at the here and now people and stop knocking one off to the memories of Paul Sturrock.

We dont have 3 better players lumps. Jpm and easton are also injured btw

Berniman,

To be honest I wasn't a big fan of Sturrock, and the slightly one dimensional football his sides tend to play. But there's repeated arguments on this thread that the manager can do nothing with this "shit" squad of players.

I'm just pointing out that this "shit" squad is better than PS had available to him and he was doing alright in league one.

We can make all the excuses we want but when you sack a manager half way through the season because you're worried about the direction the team is going in, you want the replacement to have a positive impact on results.

That hasn't happened.

i'm not disputing the work wise did here at all.what do you disagree about then?
jjst because wise did well doesn't mean sturrock didn't do a good job too.he certainly made his stamp on the team and left us comfortably in mid table in league 1 when he left.

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Agree totally, no realism from a lot on here as well as other sites and Rs etc, get used to it we are a small club

I think I'm being completely realistic. I think we're probably going down, but we can't keep changing managers all the fucking time so we have to give Wilson his chance in League 2 next year and try to push on from there. Long term I think he's limited as a manager and will struggle to get us to anywhere in League 1, but we can't afford to think about that for the next year.

And it seems many of you will be happy for it to remain so.

i'm certainly not in the wilson out brigade(i dont think there is one yet)but the signs are not good.in his defence he took on a difficult job here, inheriting a backroom team that had not inspired the players,and a side in a rut.were other applicants not considered due to their backroom team preferences?
journeymen managers are rarely succesfull at lower league level and i've seen nothing to convince me that wilson is any different.i'll give him till late october until i decide if i want him sacked

I agree, you do want a positive impact on results, but the only thing a manager can do to get positive results is to improve performances.  DW has done that on the most part, but unfortunately the results have not come with it, and this is mainly down to individual mistakes and a lack of will to win from the players.  Yes the manager is partly responsible because it is him that must push that mentality onto the players, but the individual mistakes and a good part of the will to win must come from the players, and probably Greer, Cox and Morrison apart, this has not been evident enough from the players.

I wasn't even necessarily aiming it at you (especially as I have seen from other threads that you have the bit between your teeth this morning  ;D) but a lot of the recent threads keep harping back to Sturrock, and I don't personally see how you can compare, because it isn't just about Sturrock, it's about all the other things that are different since then.  Had the club been the same when Sturrock was here as far as owners and constraints etc. then it would be a valid arguement, but then if this was the case Sturrock might not have fucked off so quickly.

Then it will be the same cycle as this time. The next manager will then take on DW's shit..

i wouldn't have hired him in the first place,but fitton did and he at least deserves until october to get us rolling again.

That's always the way until you find someone that's any good at the job though isn't it?

I'm always slghtly bemused by the journalists who point at Sir Alex as an example of the great success that comes from stable management, when I think it's actually an example of just how long you can stay in a job if you're really successful. A confusion between cause and effect. Wilson had 4 years at Shitty, very stable, and got ...... into the play-offs once. Martin Ling had fuck knows how many years at Orient and managed to get them from League 2 to the relegation zone of League 1. Stability is only the answer if the manager and coaching staff are good at the job.

But there's a difference between not being obsessed with stability and mad chopping and changing twice a season. We've had 4 managers and two periods of caretaker management in a little over two seasons. Changing again now just isn't on the cards, so let's cross our fingers for the rest of the season and if it all goes to shit hope that Danny can repeat the trick he managed with Hartlepool and get us straight back up.

Every time I read this thread title I like to use punctuation to make it mean the opposite.

 :D

"Sack Wilson, TalkTalk is ridiculous" ?

Yeah, they are a shit ISP.

 :smugfu:

I can see why people would go back to Sturrock and think why we were better and why can't the players perform now. But we had a mnager in Malpas who destroyed all of the good that came out of the Sturrock era. The Sturrock era is irrelevant because it was so long.

Besides, I'm convinced it was the good work put in by Dennis Wise which Sturrock was able to continue with which made us better.

I dont think Wilson is the main problem- i think it lies with the backroom and coaching staff.

Fitton seems incredibly loyal to Byne- this could well cost us our league one status. I honesty believe if Wilson would have brought in his own staff we would not be in the position we find ourselves,

....and why on earth would Fitton be loyal to Dave Byrne of all people.

Answer me that please.

As was said in FourFourTwo, Wilson is hands on with the training now. If something is wrong in that respect then he is as much to blame. Maybe this is why he's never felt the need to have the same backroom team. For all we know Byrne and Williams collect the cones and nothing more.

The same magazine said Malpas didn't really handle training, so your point would make more sense with Malpas perhaps.

Because he thinks Byrne did a sterling job under difficult circumstances when Sturrock pissed off and that deserved some loyalty.

I don't know if that is still true, i.e. whether Wilson could bring in his own man if he wanted to. I  suspect he could. And I don't think Byrne is the problem myself.

You keep saying this but come on - surely a far greater issue is a bunch of players who have consistently failed to perform under 3 different managers this season? I'm as impressed with Byrne's charisma and personal magnetism as you clearly are but even so I don't think he exudes quite so much influence as to single-handedly wreck a team that would otherwise be superstars. Fact is too many players in too much of a comfort zone and as Wilson said on Sat, not enough desire or pride in themselves, much less the shirt.

Listening to DW's interview after the game on saturday,you could tell how exasperated and fed up he
was with certain players not putting themselves on the line.This is reinforced with today's interview in
the Adver.I feel sorry for him,because he's put in a huge ammount of time and effort on the training ground.

I think it's a shame that Danny doesn't have a regular number 2/ assistant, as most managers work well in
tandem with somebody.

I've watched and talked with Byrne on quite a few occasions and whilst people like his straight talking
style,i still think that he works better with the young players.That to me is where his strength lies.He does
have a good eye for talented young players.

But Ferguson wasnt successful at Man Utd to begin with, it took him 4 years to win his first trophy which is why it is often cited as an example of patience from the boardroom paying off.

As for Wilson`s record at City, it makes me laugh how some people disregard it so easily. In 4 seasons, they finished 9th, 7th, 3rd, and 3rd. Thats 2 play-off seasons not 1. In those two seasons they finished 3 points from automatic promotion once, and 1 point from auto the next. You simply cant be that consistent over that length of time unless the manager knows what he is doing.

What may be true of Wilson though, is that he may not be the ideal sort of manager for a fire fighting job taking over mid-season. His previous success has been built up over a period of time with his own squad.

This probably fits the profile that Fitton & co want in the longer term. There is clearly going to be a big rebulding job this summer whichever division we are in. I cannot see that we could attract a better or more experienced man than Wilson to undertake that job.

Re: wilson at city.  We all know what happened when he left and they gave Tinnion the job. 

Reminds me a bit of England, post Sven.   You only realise sometimes that someone is doing a good job when some one much worse comes in and fucks it up very quickly.

a bit like us, Sturrock & Malpas then!

No not like that at all.

My main worry about wilson is he rated monkhouse

Monkhouse is an ok player.

because im a nerd

Anthony McNamee - 0 goals 8 assists
Andy Monkhouse - 8 goals 4 assists
Sofiene Zaaboub - 0 goals 7 assists

Is that this year

this season, league and cup...

It's taken Paul T at Rovers over 5 years to first stabalise the team and then move them forward, he's just completed 200 games.
 

So honestly would you be happy with that? Four years in this leauge never quite being good enough to get our of it?

I'm not sure you would be. I don't think i would be, and I'm pretty sure the board wouldn'y be.

We're getting out of this league a lot quicker than 4 years.

And Hartlepool since Wilson left?

Maybe not, but our level does seem to be league one strugglers/league two at the moment, if we sustained a decent level of football we'd inevitably go up, build a fan base worthy of Championship football and gernerally be better than rushing things through.

If we're not careful we'll be too poor to not get out of this dividion.

Not really a good counter argument as Tinnion was  completely out of his depth, Johnson came in having inherited a seriously poor side....Hoofwood, Grunt Sniff, anyone and at first struggled...by mid December they were in 23rd a point above us.

He turned it around got them  to 9th and it's been progress since....we off course went down.

That's because Johnson is a decent manager....Wilson still has 10 games to turn us around, which will show whether he is a decent manager.

Were 13th when he went....now 15th so slight drop.

Jonhson was allowed to ship out the underacheivers and rebuild his team a little. Some of Shitty fans wanted to get rid of him after about 10 games as he had made no difference. i don't tihink they had a seriously bad side when he took over.

How mny people could really have said he was a manager good enough to take them to the edge of premiership football based on his record. It's all a matter of opinions and taking a gamble.

Us having another manager for the 99th time this season doesn't seem much point. 

The reason Shitheads wanted out was because he lost something like 8 in a row, after taking over. Which put them down to 23rd.  But it was this process that enabled Johnson to identify the problems and do something about it.

Whisper it quietly but the fella down the 420, also inherited,by all acounts, a bunch of wasters.

 Shipped a couple out, brought in a few lads from either reserve teams or the scrapheap, and lo and behold they improve.

 As things stand Wilson just hasn't managed the resources available to him very well...we were 18 th when he took over now 21st.

 Still time to prove his worth....

That would be McNamee-20 assists if we had a forward that could head the fucking ball!

Rubbish. The reason we are in here is a combination of shit players, poor manager at the start of the season and the fact that it took 6 weeks to replace him.

I wouldnt go that far.

More like that would be McNamee-20 assists if his crosses were good every single time rather than 1 in 7.

Adje is Mcnamees agent!

or love child!

 ;D

Given the past few years I'd be quite happy with those kinds of league finishes.  They'd be up there with some of the better seasons this club has ever had.

  :)

What did Malpas then, besides bad interviews?

Yes Id be happy with that, very happy. Given our crowds and financial strength relative to the division we have no divine right to expect any more.

TBH, I don't really care how long we spend in one league, as long as we are playing some decent football.  You go to football to be entertained and suffer the highs and lows of being a supporter of a team.

If it takes a couple of years to consolidate and build a team capable of being promoted and not being relegated the season afterwards, then fine - I will be there paying my money each week.

The board should realise that you would need to invest to make this team capable of promotion to the Championship and staying there (like Shitty)  Things like promotion don't come free in football - it will cost time, money, blood, sweat and tears from all involved to help develop the club and push us onwards and upwards.

Pity we are not seeing much of the blood, sweat and tears from our lot at the moment  ;)

I think he will be allowed to stay for a bit longer  :D

out!

King out.

Malpas in!

We're not scoring enough goals, he's got to go.

Apart from turning our season round, rejuvinating Kevin Amankwaah, and signing OTJ, Greer and Kanu, what has Wilson done for us?!

He's not provided drains.

He's not improved the roads. Nor has he given us Medicine,  Education, Health.

but he has given me a happy feeling again :)

What about the aqueducts? Don't even get so much as a mention in post-match interviews

Never acknowledges the contribution of Sheena Easton either - disgraceful... Wilson out...