Sack Wilson Talk Is Ridiculous

[Red End Street]

Fucking hell. Just come in from the pub and ploughed this shit thread.
Wilson will do ok for us us, if given the time,
Everybody seems to want instant success, which won't be sustainable, If DW fucks up next season, fine. But at least give the guy a pre season and a chance to get a squad he wants.
We're not man utd, or real madrid, we're a lower league side. live with it, or sit in the pub with your premiership replica shirt on.
What a bunch of moaning fuckers...

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Agree totally, no realism from a lot on here as well as other sites and Rs etc, get used to it we are a small club

[Lumps]

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Agree totally, no realism from a lot on here as well as other sites and Rs etc, get used to it we are a small club

I think I'm being completely realistic. I think we're probably going down, but we can't keep changing managers all the fucking time so we have to give Wilson his chance in League 2 next year and try to push on from there. Long term I think he's limited as a manager and will struggle to get us to anywhere in League 1, but we can't afford to think about that for the next year.

[overthehill]

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Agree totally, no realism from a lot on here as well as other sites and Rs etc, get used to it we are a small club

And it seems many of you will be happy for it to remain so.

[Arriba]

i'm certainly not in the wilson out brigade(i dont think there is one yet)but the signs are not good.in his defence he took on a difficult job here, inheriting a backroom team that had not inspired the players,and a side in a rut.were other applicants not considered due to their backroom team preferences?
journeymen managers are rarely succesfull at lower league level and i've seen nothing to convince me that wilson is any different.i'll give him till late october until i decide if i want him sacked

[Berniman]

Berniman,

To be honest I wasn't a big fan of Sturrock, and the slightly one dimensional football his sides tend to play. But there's repeated arguments on this thread that the manager can do nothing with this "shit" squad of players.

I'm just pointing out that this "shit" squad is better than PS had available to him and he was doing alright in league one.

We can make all the excuses we want but when you sack a manager half way through the season because you're worried about the direction the team is going in, you want the replacement to have a positive impact on results.

That hasn't happened.

I agree, you do want a positive impact on results, but the only thing a manager can do to get positive results is to improve performances.  DW has done that on the most part, but unfortunately the results have not come with it, and this is mainly down to individual mistakes and a lack of will to win from the players.  Yes the manager is partly responsible because it is him that must push that mentality onto the players, but the individual mistakes and a good part of the will to win must come from the players, and probably Greer, Cox and Morrison apart, this has not been evident enough from the players.

I wasn't even necessarily aiming it at you (especially as I have seen from other threads that you have the bit between your teeth this morning  ) but a lot of the recent threads keep harping back to Sturrock, and I don't personally see how you can compare, because it isn't just about Sturrock, it's about all the other things that are different since then.  Had the club been the same when Sturrock was here as far as owners and constraints etc. then it would be a valid arguement, but then if this was the case Sturrock might not have fucked off so quickly.

[Sippo]

i'll give him till late october until i decide if i want him sacked

Then it will be the same cycle as this time. The next manager will then take on DW's shit..

[Arriba]

i wouldn't have hired him in the first place,but fitton did and he at least deserves until october to get us rolling again.

[Lumps]

Then it will be the same cycle as this time. The next manager will then take on DW's shit..

That's always the way until you find someone that's any good at the job though isn't it?

I'm always slghtly bemused by the journalists who point at Sir Alex as an example of the great success that comes from stable management, when I think it's actually an example of just how long you can stay in a job if you're really successful. A confusion between cause and effect. Wilson had 4 years at Shitty, very stable, and got ...... into the play-offs once. Martin Ling had fuck knows how many years at Orient and managed to get them from League 2 to the relegation zone of League 1. Stability is only the answer if the manager and coaching staff are good at the job.

But there's a difference between not being obsessed with stability and mad chopping and changing twice a season. We've had 4 managers and two periods of caretaker management in a little over two seasons. Changing again now just isn't on the cards, so let's cross our fingers for the rest of the season and if it all goes to shit hope that Danny can repeat the trick he managed with Hartlepool and get us straight back up.

[flammableBen]

Every time I read this thread title I like to use punctuation to make it mean the opposite.

[overthehill]

Every time I read this thread title I like to use punctuation to make it mean the opposite.

 

[pauld]

Every time I read this thread title I like to use punctuation to make it mean the opposite.

"Sack Wilson, TalkTalk is ridiculous" ?

[Talk Talk]

"Sack Wilson, TalkTalk is ridiculous" ?

Yeah, they are a shit ISP.

 

[Simon Pieman]

I can see why people would go back to Sturrock and think why we were better and why can't the players perform now. But we had a mnager in Malpas who destroyed all of the good that came out of the Sturrock era. The Sturrock era is irrelevant because it was so long.

Besides, I'm convinced it was the good work put in by Dennis Wise which Sturrock was able to continue with which made us better.

[STFC Bart]

I dont think Wilson is the main problem- i think it lies with the backroom and coaching staff.

Fitton seems incredibly loyal to Byne- this could well cost us our league one status. I honesty believe if Wilson would have brought in his own staff we would not be in the position we find ourselves,

[DV]

....and why on earth would Fitton be loyal to Dave Byrne of all people.

Answer me that please.