Sack Wilson Talk Is Ridiculous

[overthehill]

RE the sob stories, must admit i'm getting very fed up with the drivel the adver keep churning out about, "time for action not words" etc etc, but back to topic, what a spanner oth is.

Yes I love playing with my nuts.

[Lumps]

Because the players aren't good enough you gimpazoid

Someone explain to me, what players have left since Sturrock was in charge?

The Boub and Minge plus a bunch of no-hopers and never has beens like the 3 Amigos, Blackburn and Andy Caton, oh and Nicholas.

And we've brought it Big Kev, Timlin, Cox, Kanyuka, Macca, and Wilson's loan signings. The squad now is bigger than it's ever been and the signings are better than those that went the other way.

So if the players aren't good enough for this league now then they certainly weren't at the beginning of last season, when PS seemed to be coping.

[Bogus Dave]

Difference being paul sturrock is one of the best man managers in the game.

[overthehill]

Difference being paul sturrock is one of the best man managers in the game.

Doing really well at Plymouth

[Don Rogers Shop]

How many of saturdays starting 11 played under sturrock alot then

[Lumps]

Difference being paul sturrock is one of the best man managers in the game.

I think that was sort of my point............

[Lumps]

How many of saturdays starting 11 played under sturrock alot then

That's not the fucking point is it. The point is that the vast majority of the players that were picked under Sturrock are still at the club and available to play. The fact that a couple of managers since have added about 8 players to the squad doesn't make the squd weaker but stronger.

[Don Rogers Shop]

Answer the question u prick.

[Lumps]

Answer the question u prick.

Who do you think you are Jeremy Paxman?

The question doesn't mean anything in this context but it's probably about 5 players, Cox and Paynter, Smith and Smith and Vincent.

But Ifil and Brez were on the Bench, Easton and McGovern are available, Corr and Peacs are injured, much the same as under PS, and all the kids that got signed are are largely still around.

The fact is most the team Sturrock played is still around, but Wilson is choosing, (probably correctly on form) to play some of the other players he has available.

My point is still the fucking same Wilson has more quality available to him than Sturrock did.

Name me three players that Sturrock had and used regularly that you'd put in the side that played on Saturday over those that actually played?

[Red End Street]

sturrock did

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Disagree, he took over from Wise who was doing a good job when he left

[Lumps]

Incidentally I'm not advocating sacking Wilson. I do wish we hadn't appointed him, and I'm not convinced he's the answer in the long term. But we can't change managers every 9 month and hope to acheive anything. I think we're more than likely fucked this season. But Wilson got HU up at the first time of asking and it's possible he can do that again.

[Berniman]

Why do people keep on harping back to Sturrock?  He has gone a long time ago!  What Sturrock was capable of doing with the players has absolutely fuck all to do with what is going on now.  We were lucky to have a manager of Sturrocks credentials for that period of time, but because of his credentials he moved on to a higher level fairly sharpish, but FFS move on!

We are talking about the here and now and what Sturrock did is now irrelivant!

The players are older, the club is a different place with different limitations to manage under, the squad of players have a totally different mentality now with a confidence level way lower than it was 2 years ago, and more importantly we no longer have the quality coaching staff that Sturrock brought with him.  Also, we are playing in a league higher than the league that Sturrock had his success in, in League 1 he wasn't here that long, and I can bet the majority of the league 1 season he knew he was off anyway.

To expect DW to produce the same taking into account all of the above is nuts.  Lets look at the here and now people and stop knocking one off to the memories of Paul Sturrock.

[Don Rogers Shop]

We dont have 3 better players lumps. Jpm and easton are also injured btw

[Lumps]

Berniman,

To be honest I wasn't a big fan of Sturrock, and the slightly one dimensional football his sides tend to play. But there's repeated arguments on this thread that the manager can do nothing with this "shit" squad of players.

I'm just pointing out that this "shit" squad is better than PS had available to him and he was doing alright in league one.

We can make all the excuses we want but when you sack a manager half way through the season because you're worried about the direction the team is going in, you want the replacement to have a positive impact on results.

That hasn't happened.

[Arriba]

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Disagree, he took over from Wise who was doing a good job when he left

i'm not disputing the work wise did here at all.what do you disagree about then?
jjst because wise did well doesn't mean sturrock didn't do a good job too.he certainly made his stamp on the team and left us comfortably in mid table in league 1 when he left.