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Whats everyones thoughts from the flare being lit up today?

I think flares are great, didnt realise the bloke had lobbed it, he should have just held on to it. wish we could use them regularly, we looked a right bunch of nutters :)

The most exciting thing to happen during the game, by far.

Orient fans views on it

http://www.leytonorient2.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=232399&whichpage=1

Euro bollocks. If someone flings one at me whilst I'm sat enjoying a quiet cup of tea in the Don Rogers, I'll be proper annoyed.

We'll have that prick Danny Dyer following us about next.

I've always liked/tolerated Orient. Probably because of their name but I guess nowadays it's because they went to Oxford, won and sent them into the ameteur leagues.

Nothing wrong with flares but having one in a wooden stand and THROWING IT are both ridiculous. Having said that, it was pretty funny as soon as we established that the stand wasn't on fire.

I thought the young twat who threw it was an absolute prick. We're all stuck in a wooden stand and he throws it in the stairwell and it caught fire. Could have been a Bradford all over again.

The reason there were so many police there today was that orient caused trouble at our place and had the shit kicked out of them ? police thought there might be reprecussions. I had never heard a thing about this, anyone on here heard anything?

Yeah some Orient fans came outside the tap & barrel chanting and asking for it, thye got what they needed and one ended up in hospital.

I think it was a pretty stupid thing to do, but I won't judge the lad who did it too harshly.

I can imagine realising you can get hold of a flair, a few mates egging you on, and just a general not thinking through the consequences, far too easily. I'd guess it was an act more out of stupidity than any sort of malice. We're all capable of doing bloody stupid thing every so often.

Definitely livened up an incredibly boring game on the radio. The commentary was genius.

Having lived in Sweden and followed football out there for a couple of years, I think flares are bloody brilliant if your used to handling them, and no one can deny that it got our fans going. Of course it was quite stupid to throw it into a wooden area, but they've cropped up quite alot this season and I would love for them to be commonplace in English football, and for the ground staff to know how to deal with them.

From that Orient site: "I suppose they could be charged with Arson or even attempted manslaughter"

Hehe. 'Attempted manslaughter'!

was fucking stupid to throw it as it could have hurt people.that said it kicked the town crowd up and got us going.
that orient twat giving it the big un  i hope got decked after

Is that FaceBook thing for real?

Lad lit it right behind me.....but held on to it for ages meaning he was the man...but....easily spotted...livened up a dull encounter! :)

we should petition fitton for a flare section in the county ground :)

Yep, although it looks like he's deleted his profile now.

Actually lighting the Flare was moronic, but foreshadowing in on Facebook is a definate taker of the biscuit. I can only guess he didn't figure how much shit he'd get in.

i've only seen a flare once at football, i thought it looked proper cool.

i'd feel the love for the dudes, but they threw the fucking thing.that was as stupid as it gets. it's darn lucky they didn't hit town fans with it..

throwing a lit flare in a wooden stand is pretty much the epitome of idiocy.

it's concrete.

i thought they said on the radio that the stand was wooden?

the seats that millwall aint ripped out are.the stand itself is conrete with the asbestos roofage

Cant believe the Mary Poppins panic about a fucking flare being let off.

Valley Parade went up in flames due to years of rubbish being piled high underneath the wooden terrace and seating area which caught light.

Those safety issues were addressed decades ago and wooden stands were done away with as a result. Good fucking job as well.

Narrowly missed my mates head as it flew through and landed right by us, which meant we had a grandstand view of the Orient Steward's comical attempts to put it out which involved stamping on it, small cups of water from a vending machine and what looked like a cup of tea!

All in all, more entertaining than events on the pitch.

Mentioned on the Football League Show, the flare is famous

A bit stupid yeah, but some ain't half over reacted to it.

The only real problem, was he threw it like a girl. I certainly wasn't worried about a fire and i had my daughter with me. Hope he doesn't get in serious shit over it.

The comments on the Orient forum made me laugh, it sounded like they formed a chain to pass a bucket of sand along to the fire which finally arrived 15 minutes after the final whistle.

I was right behind the muppet that lit that thing and he was being a twat all game and was probably 16 or 17 and completely wasted. I'm abit pissed off as I'm in that picture on the Orient site right next to the flare so they best not try stitching me up.

If it's the guy I think it is he sits behind me in the Town End. I like him! He's young and a bit of a retard but he's always up for a laugh and he gets behind the team vocally.

I hope he doesn't get banned or anything too silly.

I thought it looked like him... I hope he doesnt bring another when im there cos my football hat might catch fire

Ah so it was one of those lads. 'Young and a bit of a retard' is a pretty good summary.

Swindon youth!

Rightly or wrongly, from the statement on Orient's website about the Swindon Directors wanting the guy's details, he's likely looking at a ban.

Clubs come down hard on this sort of thing i'm afraid. The lad probably thought it would be a laugh without thinking about the consequences.

It would be a shame for him to be banned and not able to watch Town anymore.

i am 'one of those' lads. Hope he dont get banned for too long, i didnt go, so just going by what i heard.. Fair enough it was stupid to light and throw it in a wooden stand, but it made the atmosphere better... He will get a ban, hopefully not for long though, we need more fans at the cg not less..

He did something stupid and needs to realise it, but as others have said it seems like it was a lack of thought rather than anything more serious, so hopefully it'll be dealt with fairly rather than being overly harsh.

have they been charged with anything?3 got taken out didn't they?

Deliberate?

Either way, I like.

Insane lighting & throwing a flare, aside from the wooden stand, the potential consequences to fans..... in Germany @ Nurnenburg game on saturday 5 fans seriously injured by "fans" throwing flares & fireworks.

What were they injured by though, flares or fireworks?

Sky Sports text said lighting flares & fireworks at Nurnberg vs Bochum game led to 9 people injured & 3 fans seriously injured.

I can't see the culprit(s) being charged by the police, it'll take some effort for them to bring about a conviction.  They prefer pestering motorists who park on yellow lines.

Fair play to the young lad, Swindon fan trying to do something different.  No one dies/got hurt/no fire, lets not over react.  A lot of the comments on here is whats wrong with this country, health and safety gone mad

Can't see Fitton or the board acting like pricks over this by banning him for a long period. Bit stupid lobbing it, maybe, but no harm done and the lad has probaly shit himself enough to guarantee that he's learned from it.

Agree with bushey about the Elf and Safety bullshit. This is real fucking football, not some sterile, wanky family-friendly psuedo sports parade.

Would everyone be saying he should be let off the hook if he'd actually done some damage with it, like starting a fire or taking someone's eye out? I guess not, in which case why should he be let off lightly for getting lucky?

We go on about increasing home attendances, do you think this kind of shit helps? Having flares chucked about doesn't exactly encourage people to take their kids along to games. I'm guessing Fitton will be thinking along the same lines and a lengthy ban is the most likely outcome.

I still find it amazing in this day and age that anyone could find this kind of thing even remotely acceptable.

Its acceptable else where why should it be any different here? The lad should not have thrown it that i agree with .
If i wanted a nice jolly family day out id go to the park.

if it had hit someone it could have done some serious damage.it was more luck than judgement that it didn't.

The offendor deserves a lifetime ban from the county ground and all grounds in the country. This could have had very serious consequences had it hit someone in the eye/set fire to the stand. Plain stupidity.

Haven't we been here before, I can remember the flares being lit in our Premier Leagues days and especially against Man U on a packed Stratton Bank. I think the lads involved did end up in court over that one


http://www.redarmyloudnproud.org.uk/ultraswindon.shtml

Lad near me threw one at Everton and got arrested that year..we were the last fans to legally stand at Everton before they built the new stand.

I could have a lot more serious consequences sneezing at the wheel on the way to work tommorow.

Why? It wasn't at the CG for starters. And it didn't hit anyone, and yes i was sat with my daughter not far to the left and didn't feel in danger before you ask. Young lad with a prank that went wrongish, fair enough if it had done damage then hammer him. It didn't, slap on the wrist, put it down to growing up or whatever, he doesn't deserve to be pilliored, by the police, the club, or soapbox dictators on here.

Suttonred- how would you have felt if it had taken your daughters eye out? At the end of the day it is thorwing a firework.

Just because he got away without hurting anyone does not justify it.

Funnily enough I was just going to post that about the bank in 93/94. Anyway I was sat just by Sutton and I think the best course of action is this.

The perpetrator is summoned to the CG, given a bollocking by a police man, whilst Nick Watkins, or some one else from the club, warns them that any more of that sort of shenanigans and they are banned. Then they instruct him to write a letter apologising to Leyton Orient. And that's the end of it.

Won't happen though

As i said it didn't, and that would have been different if someone was in danger, or hurt. Were you there? It's not a sarcastic question, just mountains and molehills spring to mind. It really wasn't the shock horror event it's been made out to be. Just something that probably seemed a good laugh at the time, that went a bit wrong.

I never ever thought i'd say this... you're talking complete sense.

I'd be a bit surprised if he doesn't get charged for some kind of offence by the police, as they're unlikely to laugh it off as him being "a bit of a lad and a prank gone wrong". Which in turn likely means some kind of ban from the CG.

They'll likely want to send out a message as well to put others off from doing it.

Twat.

"Could have somebodys eye out"

Get a life Bart, how sheltered a life must you lead.

That's interesting where did the trolls post go? In case you didn't see it Johnny that wasn't aimed at you btw.

He's right

Wasn't there a flare at the chelsea arsenal game a few weeks back. Wonder what happened then.

There was also a flare at the recent man city vs man u derby.

I suspect the board will give them/him  a lengthy ban - and rightly deserved in my view. What's the point in trying to develop a community based club with twats like that in tow.
I had a relative injured in the Bradford City fire - that must not happen again.

I'm surprised that some of you dare to leave the house in the morning. How the fuck do you cross the roads?

Just having a rant against yob culture (old git's perogative)  :blowup: :blowup:

Leyton Orient chief executive Matt Porter was enraged by what he deemed “the most stupid single act I have ever seen inside Brisbane Road.”

Maybe sacking Ling a close second!

Fucking hell, I am going to turn into one of these moany old cunts as I age? If so, I'm going to do myself in.

It's not all bad news then!

What happened was wrong....looks the lads will pay the price.....but i wish the boards of football clubs would be just as vocal when fans are treated like shit by stewards and old bill.

I have seen flares at Swindon matches 15 years apart......i have been treated like shit alot more than that and nobody gives a monkeys.

A very true post!

Fucking hell people never used to kick up a fuss when I chucked my cigar butts about. I could have set Sammy Igoes on fire.

I think its abit unfair to call the kid a yob simply for letting a flare off! It was abit of harmless fun if hadn't done it in a wooden stand would there be a much fuss?

It's not as if he had a flare gun and was shooting flares at anyone! He let of a flare and when it was nearly spent he threw it into the part of the stand that was empty.

I really hope that the police and the club deal with this senseibly and don't over react. We need young fans who have abit of live in them to boost the clubs support rather than moaney cunts who spend the game sat on their fat arses moaning about every little thing.

Football is not a family game it's a game for the working class man. You wanna see a show fucking of to the therate!

We should buy loads of those flares that someone found during the Orange celebrations, where they didn't actually burn and were safe. Then we all light them up and chuck them around. Help and Safety would freak until they realised they were safe, although no doubt the act of throwing them would be highly, highly dangerous.

Flares that don't actually burn and are safe...

Thats a torch.

...off the Orient board.

Makes you proud, hey?  :D

A very sensible proposal,unfortunately this is unlikely to happen.

As somebody who was quite close to the incident,i never felt in danger

and i would put it down to the exuberance of youth,rather than anything malicious.

A stupid act none the less,but let's keep a sense of proportion.

Best all turn up earlier than usual on Saturday.

1) Because it's an early kick off
2) to account for the inevitable increased searches

if matey didn't throw it then there wouldn't really be an issue.the throwing of it was the stupid part, and he deserves whatever the police and club decide to do with him.
yeah it was a bit of fun and nobody got hurt but that's down to luck.

whether people like it or not,football has changed and is a family sport now.swindon are a family club now, like it or lump it.

This. Proportionate, sensible and grown-up. He's a kid and he's clearly a dong, and this would be a measured response.

Obviously won't happen.

Its ok GFM, you can admit to it ;)

I see Danny Wilson has said on the Adver site that the lad ''should be locked up''.

It's inevitable that the kid will get a long ban.

reading the thisisswindontownfc about the flare incident if you read the comments you will see one of the people new the two of the guys both ukraian

http://www.leytonorient2.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=232446 this made me p**sed off

The hype surrounding this is unbelievable.

haha. what a tool

We have a rep.  :D

Someone on that thread says this was the sixth time that kid has been ejected from a groundc this season. I don't know where they got that from!

Hmmm, believing a poster on the adver forum! Time for a sit down and some tablets for you i think ;)

I know that for some the idea of being a bit wild as a youngster was toking on a silk cut and actually nearly finishing a can of carling, but have those people (and some on here) never done something a bit stupid before themselves.

Not in a wooden stand

But it isn't a wooden stand.

If they can get hold of the old Kiev Reds flag (Hammer and Sickle as well)
then we might,just might let them back in the Town End.  :)

Hmm... I was typing out a post admitting I'd done numerous silly things involving fire in my youth, but then realised you cunts would just chastise me for it so thought better of it :)

the adver report says some mesh caught alight.if so, that makes it a more serious incident.

I read it on the Orient board and no I didn't believe it!

Some mesh caught fire? I'm with you arriba, that's quite a shocking turn of events and I hope now that those flare-throwing, mesh-murdering cunts get tied up and someone slashes their throats. Stuff like this just shouldn't be allowed to happen. Ever.

you joke, but no it shouldn't happen.

http://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10341~1981099,00.html

Anyone who thinks this wasnt dangerous needs therapy,people in Germany and Italy have been seriously injured by flares....he didnt even hold it himself and if that fire had got even abit out of hand there could have been panic....yes we all do silly things when young and if they are dangerous you take the consequences....its going to be a life ban me thinks.

From the Orient forum, bailed but the police dont know what to charge him/them with which seems a bit weird.

ORIENT: Bail for flare chuck suspects
2:24pm Monday 1st March 2010


Two men suspected of throwing a lit flare inside a wooden stand at Brisbane Road, have been bailed by police.

A 17 year-old male and a 21 year-old male are now due to answer bail on April 12.

Details are unknown about the third fan who was arrested during the match.

It is understood that the men have been bailed while the Metropolitan Police consults the Crown Prosecution Service about which charges can be brought.

The incident happened during the second half of the 0-0 draw between Leyton Orient and Swindon Town, on Saturday.

Must have been huge if it took two of them to throw it.

Haha, this gets funnier by the day. The police don't even know what crime they have commited.

Well, it's probably because they can choose from quite a few.  I remember trying to get some lined-up for game to be used in the TE, was given a resounding no by everyone concerned at the club as it was on a list of banned items from football grounds in the Uk, the mere acceptance of it would have brought our safety certificate under review - thus closing the ground.

Me too, I almost owned up to being one of a group of young chaps that might have fired off a couple of flares back in the late 70's, perhaps in a game at the CG against Arsenal.  ;)

Will that be the same for Orient? The safety certificate bit?

Orient didn't willingly allow it into the ground, so I can't see them getting into grief on that count and the officer from London Fire Brigade that came to check it out didn't arrive until well after it was all dealt with, so probably won't pick up on their pretty woeful attempts to deal with it.

If I was an Orient fan who sits in the east stand I would want to know why, in a stand with wooden boarded floor and wooden seats, there didn't seem to be any proper firefighting equipment available to the stewards.

I stood on the bank during the premier league year and someone lit a flare in front of me but it looked like a large flower pot and was just left in the middle of the terrace, I didn't notice straight away that everyone around me had moved away  :doh:

Will it be Public Order Act 1986?

Fireworks etc.
3. The following shall be inserted after section 2 (offences in connection
with alcohol, containers etc. at sports grounds)-
" Fireworks 2A.-(1) A person is guilty of an offence if he has an
etc. article or substance to which this section applies in his
possessionr-
(a) at any time during the period of a designated
sporting event when he is in any area of a
designated sports ground from which the event
may be directly viewed, or
(b) while entering or trying to enter a designated
sports ground at any time during the period of a
designated sporting event at the ground.
(2) It is a defence for the accused to prove that he
had possession with lawful authority.
(3) This section applies to any article or substance
whose main purpose is the emission of a flare for purposes
of illuminating or signalling (as opposed to igniting or
heating) or the emission of smoke or a visible gas ; and
in particular it applies to distress flares, fog signals, and
pellets and capsules intended to be used as fumigators
or for testing pipes, but not to matches, cigarette lighters
or heaters.
(4) This section also applies to any article which is a
firework.".

So these lads got arrested, were deprived of their liberty for fuck knows how long, and the stupid fucking pigs still dont know what law they were breaking?? I'd sue the cunts for wrongful arrest :nod:

And the firework section (ammendment) of the public order act, helpfully posted by Brighton Red - thanks for that, BR - seems to suggest that its an offence to have flares or fireworks on your person. It doesn't mention being illegal to let the fuckers off!

I would be more worried if my Hash caught alight in all honesty

Flair is still the man.

RICK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I went to Flares in Hull once and got the shag

That is all

the one and only.

It's going to be interesting to see what punishment will be dished out by the club.

A norwich fan got a three year ban for celebrating in the wrong area,Ironically it was against us.

http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/content/eveningnews24/norwich-news/story.aspx?brand=ENOnline&category=News&tBrand=ENOnline&tCategory=xNews&itemid=NOED23%20Feb%202010%2016:11:13:663

Thats nuts.

Anyone notice the name of the football intelligence officer?

Bizzare seeing Andy King and intelligence in the same sentence.

He had to pay a £15 victim surcharge for jumping over a fence... make sense of that.

Looks like Watkins will be dropping a large banhammer:

http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/news/5035189.Watkins_pledges_to_ban_flare_culprits/

Should hold his horses. The 21 year old is totally innocent for a start.

Did he even commit a criminal offence?

'This sort of behaviour will not be tolerated'. What sort of behaviour?

What get's me is that he's supposed to be part of the high risk group yet he's not used violence of any sort,so how is he high risk ? when all he has done is get excited and jumped over into the wrong area,surely all they have to do is ban him from the said stand as i imagine it's the segregation bit by the away fans.

I bet the stewards stirred a lot of this up,when all is needed is a bit of common sense.

As for the offence i can only imagine they have put it down to inciting trouble of some sort,but three years jesus wept.

Right i know the person who did this, and to be fare the comments are a little harsh, it was a stupid mistake yes, but i think a ban would be fair, not a life time one. He has been currently shitting himself over the reaction of the adver etc... So to be fair i think he has learned his lesson but we will soon see the outcome.

Me thinks not

Mahoosive over-reaction.

It's not like the biggest incident ever happened, but fuck me!! It seems that way and some of the comments being posted are stupid! The police arrested the wrong people for a start!!

This will disappear in time. Much like 'Amankwaahgate' earlier in the season.

I'm glad to hear he is "shitting himself" and to be fair the reaction to all this should be more than enough to ensure he won't do anything so stupid again. Unfortunately for him though I think he is still going to get a hefty ban as the club don't really have any choice, I would hope though that they give him the chance to apologise should he wish to and then perhaps treat him a little less harshly. This was clearly just a case of not thinking about the implications of something and is not in my view as bad as someone who uses violence against other fans, they're the type who should be getting life bans!

Having said all that I'd have to take issue with anyone who thinks what he did wasn't dangerous. It didn't miss other fans by much and whilst I don't think there was ever a chance of setting the whole stand alight, it would have only taken a glimpse of flame from the burning mesh to potentially cause panic (we were on wooden seats fitted to wooden floorboards!).

the 21 year old who was arrested was totally inicent, so banning him is wrong as they have no proof what so ever of an offence he didn't make. Do they even have proof of who threw the flare?

I would imagine he would be caught on cctv..

I might be slightly confused here, but how do two people throw one flare?

That comment about him being ejected 6 times this season, is utter bollocks i'm sure. I've been to a fair few away this season, and i've only seen 2  town fans ejected and neither were him. And i'm sure if he had, something would have twigged with someone and he wouldn't be allowed in anyway. What a witch hunt.

Whilst he did something really, really stupid he's now looking at a criminal record and a lengthy ban from football, either from the courts or the club. Provided he admits it, admits it was stupid and he shouldn't have done it and shows genuine regret then I'd say there is a strong argument to show a degree of leniency.

It always annoys me a bit that we hand out somewhat draconian punishments for relatively minor offences in this country when compared to the stuff that goes unpunished in other countries. The England game with all the flares thrown on to the pitch being a prime example, were the people responsible punished and were their FA (was it Croatia?) punished as well? Even if they were they wouldn't have got the same level of punishment if it happened here or was England fans.

Unfortunately we're still living with the extremes of the past, which means the authorities clamp down very hard on any bad behaviour and we're still punished disproportionately by UEFA and FIFA. Which is stupid as we've probably got one of the best records recently with regards to trouble at football matches.

10 fucking pages? Some of you are as excitable as the lad who threw the thing.

What I don't understand is that a man gets killed at a game by having a bin thrown at him (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8545194.stm) and nothing happens. Yet a Town fan has a flare, doesn't hurt anyone and never intended to hurt anyone yet people, including fools on here, want to throw the book at him.

What about people who bring flags into the stadium? They could have someone's eye out! Hot drinks may burn people if spilled, or someone could slip on the spillage and break their neck.

I suggest wrapping everyone up in fire-proof cotton wool upon entry into the ground, although some would die from allergic reactions. Perhaps.

Flares can look proper mental.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQj5HjEzK54

Flares are ace.

that video is fucking ace, we should bring about 50 flares to the rovers game and when we score set them off in the DRS and Town end, they cant arrest us all :)

Blimey and everyones gone mental here about a larger version of a swan vesta. The london boys are current flashing emails around as we're mooting a sponsorhip game next season. It has been suggested we take flags and flares in the corporate area with us :)

what do people think is a flare punishment then?
i think he'll get a 3 year ban and a fine,but dont give a shit what he gets really.
it got bloody close to some of our fans as the trajectory it went at was a bit close for comfort.if it had hit someone then i'm sure those brushing it off as a bit of fun wouldn't be saying the same.

The only thing we need to ban him for is for throwing like a girl. Obviously he was trying to get it into the home crowd but didn't manage it.

It would be funny as fuck if 40-50 flares went off after we scored, the stewards would proper shit it. Im game if 49 others come forward :)

You're right about if it had hit someone. No argument there. Hope it's no more than a years ban.

You buy the flares and I'm in.

shall we save it for wembley :)

i think the only suitable punishment would be to set fire to the culprits and use them as flares

Some people will do anything to get into the KoT's trousers..

I think Nick Watkins is being abit hasty saying he'll ban them both before the facts are actually known.

For a start, only one lad actually did this!

Not a good idea to turn on your own fans.

That makes him a bigger twat if he was trying to do that.

Did he say that? I thought they said they'll be waiting for the case to go through the courts before they took any action and I'm sure they'll take everything in to account before taking any action.

Old school. I used to be one of his concubines.

  already banned mate. Didnt wait at all!

Shocking. He's banned both lads?

What have the police charged them both with?

Two idiots? We won't miss them.

Id let the heat die down for a couple of weeks and just go anyway.Its not like the stewards stand around with photos of all the people that are banned is it? The only bans they really uphold are ones where the lads are well known to the Police.

Where does it say that? Nothing in the Adver or the STFC website that I can see.

I assumed he was talking from personal experience.

Well my friend's been banned, dunno if you want official news or anything, but he's just told me that he's banned from the county ground premises now so :/

Was your friend the one who was holding the flare and threw it or the other guy who appears to be innocent?

Innocent?

No smoke without fire Ralphy.

I dunno, but he's one of the three that got arrested

They will be banned because it will be part of their bail conditions, nothing to do with the club at all.

Remember there were 3 arrests and that went down to 2. One of the remaining 2, one of them should have been discharged unconditionally. Feel sorry for him because hes going to have to miss games whilst on bail. He's a very placid lad and went downstairs because the steward asked him to for a word, it hasnt done him any favours.

I always thought that its a case of innocent until proven guilty.

Club should of said we will take action once court case has concluded and take a dim view of this behaviour etc etc. 

As i have stated before i have seen two flares at town games since 1979....

The board never made a statement about the young lad at Leeds getting the shit knocked out of him by the old bill at Leeds...the tosser Stewards wading in at Gillingham on opening day, the Wanker Steward telling me to fuck off home at Tranmere or the Dog Handler setting the mutt on me at QPR in 93 for not moving quick enough...etc etc etc.

It is right for the board to take action (after correct legal process) and with pressure from the FA they must....but it cuts both fucking ways!!

I got banned for life a good 3 months before I went to court. I didn't even get to the game. I told the club I was visiting my aunty they told me to fuck off and banned me.
The lad deserves a good telling off and no more. Let him pay for the replacement netting and let him apologise to Watkins and to Leyton Orient. I wasn't at the game but it looks like Orient are using him as a scapegoat for their own failings. As for the flare, its not a fucking nuclear warhead - its a glorified firework and we've had planety of thsoe go off over the years. 

My type of flares

[url width=275 height=275]http://cn1.kaboodle.com/hi/img/2/0/0/d4/1/AAAAAu-Wjl4AAAAAANQQUg.jpg[/url]

Or as I seem recall in the 70's they were called "loon pants".

 
Just looked back at my post and realised how it sounded! It wasn't me i assure you, it was a mate of mine and he told me earlier. But i could be joining him with a ban for retreiving (sp?) a certain football!

Bloody legend, if common sense prevailed he'd be warned and let off....  It's tomfoolery at best, but this namby pamby state will view it differently.  Loved the fact he's hyped people up, and for that he should be applauded.  We're going up, and we're going up in style!

From that Adver article it looks like they are trying to head off any punishment from the FA by doing something quickly. If it means the club doesn't get punished then it's harsh on the lad but has to be done I guess.

Im in  :D

The 17 year old has been banned by the way

Careful, last time I posted about lobbing coins, I got quoted in the Adver!

"nothing like a bit of festive coin-dodging" :D

I don't want to keep this thread going as it is a bit pathetic and over the top, but I wonder if the reaction would be the same if it wasn't in a 'wooden stand'.

Probably not, just a reason to make it sound like he murdered someone.

If this kid who no doubt loves watching the Town gets a lifetime ban from the CG (or all football grounds) that will be ridiculous.

Imagine being told that because of something you did as a teenager you can never watch another football match in your life.  :eek:

Depends on what they mean by life Spy,If it's anything like jail time then he will be alright in 6-10 years time.

Plus, honest question but what stops him just buying a ticket on the day and going in a completely different stand wearing a hat and scarf?

Nothing at all. The stewards wont know any different. I bet he would be able to get back into the town end if he tried.

Yeah I'm sure it happens.

And at for teams like Leeds who sell out their tickets for away games in advance if someone is on a ban they can go in with the home fans.

Say you did do that and got caught do you face anymore charges like breaking an injuction or something related.  

There's a bloke I see at most games who's got a lifetime ban from every ground in the country, so I don't think they enforce these things too harshly.

Well if you already have a lifetime ban, what more can they do? I guess a fine? I doubt it though.

What im getting at mainly would the police intervene or would it just be handled by the club.

A big wedgie? Well thats as ridiculous as a life ban.

If you got caught by the police breaking a band you would get punished by the courts.

If you got caught by the stewards in most grounds I think you'd just get thrown out. Unless it was a derby or something they might get the police involved. That's just a hunch.

:clap: I personally found that proper funny. Good one. :D

I suppose it depends if the ban was enforced by the police or the club.

Could he be done for trespassing if caught?

Surely not because technically he was let in?

yeah that doesn't make sense. could who be done for trespassing?

That's true. Kind of like how Garlic doesn't work on vampires if you invite them into you house.

Don't go there, i did that once.

The law is a bit bigger than the FA......end of.

Can someone close this thread please? Blimey I can't believe all the fuss over this, yes it wasn't a smart thing to do but there are a lot of worse things going on.

There is nothing worse in this World than Flare throwing.

The thread stays open!

Oh dear Yeo, you've lived a sheltered life  :(

One must have lead a sheltered life indeed to not be aware of sarcasm.

The way to end this thread is to stop posting on it!

Just a thought!

Yeah, you show him Berniman... oh!

So, is this thread dead then?

Really?  :)

Just to say the older fella was due to report to Chelmsford police station last week.

They did at least have the courtesy to ring him the day before and say not to bother.

But they knew all along that he had nothing to do with it. Hes missed a good month of games on a bail condition.

Sorry to keep dredging this up. But I think people should know about it.

But Chris Isaacs from the club rang this lad up yesterday morning, and told him he was still banned by the club from the County Ground because he had been seen in the County Ground whilst he was on bail.

Liar.

Seems the club wants a certain type of family fan and isn't necessarily fussed about others.

The atmosphere was pretty good yesterday (not amazing but better than it has been). I'm a bit worried the support will reduce to clappy nonsense, drums and a brass band because that's what the board want.

It might well depend on whether we can sustain a 'standing section' in any redeveloped county ground. It might be a bit of an ugly scrap with the stewards and board that one.

We were saying yesterday that the South stand can cheer, they can clap, they can even chant and they certainly can boo. But theres nothing new or original that ever comes out of the Don Rogers in terms of fan culture, a new song for instance.

At least we are staying at the County Ground site which gives me hope.

Police have dropped case, due to lack of evidence

Why didnt they look at the back of the Adver?

hahaha.so a picture in the local rag clearly showing the lad chucking it isn't enough evidence.
how much public money and police time has been wasted on this?

beat me to it flash

In defence of the South Stand, it stood firm with the old 'Charlie, Charlie Henry' chant for Austin, in the face of that stupid 'duh duh duh duh, Charlie Austin' nonsense. Upholding the traditions of the club against the invasion of one-song-fits-all identikit chanting, that was.

God I hate that.

duh duh duh duh, Kyle Lapham

i hate the "when skys are grey,and red and white"chant.
makes me cringe.

thinking about it there aint much variety in songs from the county ground crowd nowadays,compared to 15-20 years ago.only a handful of songs get repeated all the time.

Use my sig as a new one? to the tune of...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UqLsZk28p4

I've seen the dickhead that threw it at the Colchester and Wycombe away games so looks like they never even bothered with banning orders either

I think they got banned from the CG but not away games, not 100% on that though.

Which should obviously now be rescinded if plod dont have enough evidence.

IIRC the police can't impose a banning order, only the courts can, either at sentencing or as part of bail conditions, so as the case never went to court hence no banning order. The ban from the CG is different as that's been imposed by the club, outside of any legal process

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