Let's Get Political!

[Bob's Orange]

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you have to laugh!

[Batch]

maintenance eh? that's what they want you to think..

[Flashheart]

It's been up and down since last night. Maybe the sheer number of votes is making it struggle?

[Combe Up]

The only way to find consensus (or 'bring the country together' as politicians are fond of saying) is to find some kind of middle ground that involves leaving the EU but also recognises the slim margin of the vote.  But finding that middle ground precisely what Theresa May’s intransigent approach to this process prevents.  In her heart (I'm assuming she has one, somewhere), she will know that the indicative votes proposed by many have to be the way forward - but that would mean putting the country before her own party.  And she's shown no sign of doing that to date.

She is the problem here, not the solution.  Her statement yesterday evening was breath-taking for a number of reasons, with a complete lack of self-awareness being top of the list.

1,269,501 is NOT a slim margin.

The economics can be sorted out after we leave the EU. It is a strategic decision to leave the pathway to a political union with EU. How we relate to the EU & other entities can be decided when we are independent.

As for worrying about your holidays, tours etc. I am sure you will cope. I am travelling to Brussels on 29th March & will piss over the pissing boy there as a mark of respect.

[Bathtime]

We don`t want to stop trading with Europe or stop Europeans working here or going on holidays or any of the related stuff that goes with being so close brings up - we just don`t want to be part of a Federal government - isn`t that why people voted leave. Not complicated quite simple...

I now expect a tirade of yes but what about this and that - I will be surprised if anyone over the age of 25 will ever vote again so maybe a Federal unelected by us government is actually the answer...ffs someone sort this out...

[pauld]

Where in Ireland are you off to?

Galway. Or the Arrivals lounge at Dublin airport, depending on how fucked up everything gets

[pauld]

We don`t want to stop trading with Europe or stop Europeans working here or going on holidays or any of the related stuff that goes with being so close brings up - we just don`t want to be part of a Federal government - isn`t that why people voted leave. Not complicated quite simple...

The principle is indeed quite simple. Although lots of people voted leave for lots of different reasons. So that isn't so simple. And disentangling 40 years of trade relations and legislation also isn't simple. Going into all that without a plan is deeply simple (in the old fashioned sense of the word) as are the vainglorious egotist politicians who told people it would be simple.

[Reg Smeeton]

Galway. Or the Arrivals lounge at Dublin airport, depending on how fucked up everything gets

It might be worth taking passports... as whether the old free movement between GB and Ireland, will still stand after the 29th or a slightly later no deal date, probably needs some legal clarification.

[Bob's Orange]

As for worrying about your holidays, tours etc. I am sure you will cope. I am travelling to Brussels on 29th March & will piss over the pissing boy there as a mark of respect.

Can't beat the old 'Brits abroad' behaviour can you?

[Batch]

1,269,501 is NOT a slim margin.

2% swing. Add in the number of ex-pats that pay taxes but wrongly couldn't vote and the scales balance.

[Bob's Orange]

Galway. Or the Arrivals lounge at Dublin airport, depending on how fucked up everything gets

you are in for a treat! I got married in Galway so I am probably biased but its a cracking place and the Guinness is top class.

You'll have great craic!

[Bogus Dave]

1,269,501 is NOT a slim margin.

The economics can be sorted out after we leave the EU. It is a strategic decision to leave the pathway to a political union with EU. How we relate to the EU & other entities can be decided when we are independent.

As for worrying about your holidays, tours etc. I am sure you will cope. I am travelling to Brussels on 29th March & will piss over the pissing boy there as a mark of respect.

A winning majority of 1.8% is a slim majority, but I’m sure you know that

[Ardiles]

1,269,501 is NOT a slim margin.

Yes, it is.

[pauld]

It might be worth taking passports... as whether the old free movement between GB and Ireland, will still stand after the 29th or a slightly later no deal date, probably needs some legal clarification.

Everyone is taking passports and has been warned to ensure they are not within 6 months of expiry, in line with HMG advice

[RobertT]

We don`t want to stop trading with Europe or stop Europeans working here or going on holidays or any of the related stuff that goes with being so close brings up - we just don`t want to be part of a Federal government - isn`t that why people voted leave. Not complicated quite simple...

I now expect a tirade of yes but what about this and that - I will be surprised if anyone over the age of 25 will ever vote again so maybe a Federal unelected by us government is actually the answer...ffs someone sort this out...

I can assure you that some people who voted leave did so precisely to stop Europeans coming into the UK to work.  They also had next to no knowledge about the EU political machine.  I could also well imagine people were keen to ensure their Banana's could ne as curved as we'd like them to be - daft, but don't underestimate the drip, drip of urban myth reporting that has happened over several decades.  The stupidity is - if they just said the EU is good for us BUT it does mean giving up sovereignty eventually, people would still have voted to Leave but for a sensible reason.