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If Cox goes in January we would probably be lucky to get half a mill for him.If he goes at the end of the season and gets close to 30 goals we should get one mill at least. At his current rate of scoring he would get more than 30 in a season.  If he stays until the end of next season and continues at his rate of scoring we could easily get 5 mill or more for him.

We will lose him with our present manager remaining in place and probably in January because Cox is ambitious and wants to play at least a level up. If we invested in a winning manager and got promoted we might well keep Cox and possibly beyond the end of next year.

Fitton's cost of keeping Malpas in place a moment longer is thus possibly at least £5,000,000 in respect of Cox alone apart from other considerations, like relegation and me having every other saturday ruined! Is Malpas worth this sort of premium? I do not think so.

I'll have what you're smoking please.

Ok

if cox leaves in jan he will lose the use of his right fucking leg if the cunts ups and leaves and costs me my bet.

I think your 5 million is a little optimistic.

the simple solution is to not accept any bids for him.

It might be Ben but if he has scored 30 ish a season for 2 years it could be possible especially if he continues to improve his all round game.

2m as Crewe got for Maynard would be the best we'd get I'd imagine.

Malpas would have nothing to do with accepting or not accepting a bid for a player, that is the boards job so not really worth having a dig at Malpas over:-

A) Something that hasn't happened yet and;
B) Something that is out of his control.

No matter how well we do on the pitch, if a better offer comes in he'll want to go. With his current scoring form, his age and the length of his contract; any club that comes in for him in January will have to pay us big bucks and if the right offer comes in Fitton & co will accept. He's currently our only real asset, and considering we can't really generate any of our own revenue it is pretty likely that an offer of between £500,000 and £1M plus add ons will be accepted.

As for the last paragraph, I'll have some of what you're smoking please mate. Time to come back to the real world don't you think?

If he scores 30 we should make the playoffs at least...its a valid point though,if he hasnt got any silly clauses we should get big money for him.

Spot on - good reality check.

We're not yet a quarter way through the season and he's on 7 goals. So let's say he continues at this rate, will probably finish on around 30 goals.

Trouble is we're 19th. I don't get where your play off assumption comes from, unless it's a bit tongue in cheek.

My assumption is that the defence can only get better....30 goals will get us in the playoffs.

In that case I will have whatever you're smoking too.

Thing is sie lets put the manager issue asside...if we can turn our home form around even 50% and our away form continus we will fly up the league....if we can win 3 matches on the trot we will be on the verge of the playoffs...but then again have you got a light!

I think we'd get £5,000,000 for cox if there were more drums.

Interesting point... Maybe some horns would get it up to £6,000,000?

Hey Mr tambourine man...could fetch 7,000,000.

I can't remember...who brought cox to stfc?

The coach driver. Or maybe he came by cab

Boom boom.

What is your favourite food?

Thats a difficult one. I'm partial to a good home sunday roast, but then again gammon and eggs are good.  ::)

Whenever I have Gammon and Eggs I start to sneeze.

What about gammon and pineapple?

Pineapple is rank.

Indian curry is your friend.

Curry's good, but not my favourite.

anyone know how much %age Reading have got in the bank for a Cox sell-on?

can imagine it being 30% at the very least. probably 50.

Haven't they also got a buy back clause?

Wasn't it the clauses Reading wanted in the transfer that delayed his debut as a Swindon player against Northampton last year.
Was it something about 50% sell-on clause which is the norm in Prem, but we refused to sign him on those terms, I'm probably wrong but it definitely was something to do with a clause written in by Reading.

Dell, only thing I can find was this


http://www.atthegate.co.uk/news/Watkins-has-a-warnin217234347.aspx

I heard on Saturday that Cox is off to Sheff Utd for £1 million in January. Probably bullshit but I just thought I'd let you know.

Yes, your right, that was it, frightening how the memory is fading these days.

If the clueless numpty is still here in January- Cox wont be the only player to leave

 :doh:

bart's probably right

Yes of course because im sure the board will accept the offer in the first place.

The reason we missed out on many of the summer targets was down to -Malpas

What does that have to do with whether the board accept a bid for cox though?

dv if a player is unsettled,has a club interested and wants out,they get their wish.

I can't quite work out how our original poster can argue that selling Coxy in the transfer window would get us less money than selling him in the summer.

Now, from everything I've seen it's generally accepted that clubs pay through the nose for players in the window, and obviously in January he'll have longer left on his contract than in the summer.

Which suggests that his arguement might be bollocks.

I'd suggest that Cox will not get sold in Jan unless a totally ourrageous offer is made, Fitton is not going to sell his side's top scorer while the team are fighting relegation for a few quid, that would be suicide as we haven't got anyone at the club currently that could step in and guarntee goals.

Remember these day's we do not have to sell so it will take a really high offer as he is not out of contract and has I think 2 years left after this, and I don't think he will want to leave before the end of the season when he has a full seaaon under his belt with his reputation that bit higher (especially if he get's 25 goals)

You can turn that round to be positive quite easily - I'd be pretty happy to see half the gutless squad leave in january

 The point I was trying to make yesterday, in answer to Tails, was that if say over the next 10 games we win 4 draw 4 and lost a couple, which would represent decent form, the 25 points after 21 games would get us up to about 15th/16th, looking at average seasons at that point.

 Anything less that such an up turn in form could see us adrift..

As i said Reg 2 home wins in 4 days would have us going to Walsall next tuesday with good vibes,its a big  7 days and i feel this time next week we will know if MM is going to last the season...2 home defeats i dont think he will be manager even v Walsall...only time will tell but no manager can survive losing 7 at home on the bounce surely.

 Getting a win or a couple of draws would be good, very difficult to see us suddenly being good enough for back to back wins...

Amen to that.

use this link to vote for coxy

www.givemefootball.com/fans-player-awards/vote-b182a68c-871c-4944-b5d5-525f8d27dbdc

have you got your drum yet lardy?.....

Are you tring to snare a reponse. Stop banging on about it.

sometimes you just never know.

I heard that very rumour at work but the fee was £1.2 million.

I heard Real Madrid for 50 million.

Liar.

It was £50 million plus van Nistelrooy.

Any chance of keeping me updated with the Histon - Durham score tonight Sam?

Nope. I'm playing footie tonight.

Cunt.

Can you text me updates?

Yeah, no probs.

I think Liverpool said they were interested in doing a cash plus player swap with us. £2.5m plus Torres.

That is about as realistic as this post

ill do it

Cheers Tans.

Will you keep me up to date hertha? I'll look out for the Mooney alike in the away section

No problem. I'll look for the bloke with the sandals and love beads on.

don't forget the vegan balti pie.

Bit nippie for sandals. Unless (picking up on one of Batch's themes in an earlier thread) I wore them with thick hand-knitted socks (made from Tibetan yak's wool).

Isn't love beads what happens when fatbury's not quick enough with the tissues?

MMy arguement is that the longer Cox stays the more his value will become apparent as I expect him to score 30 a season. So at the end of this season with us he would be worth more and at the end of next season if still with us and with another 30 goals under his belt, we should be looking to get 5mill for him. It seems that people are coming closerto my valuation at the end of the 2009 season, and 2.5 mil value now has already been mentioned. IF he has two seasons at 30 goals a season with us I think we would be mad to let him go for less than 5mill. Does anybody disagree?

Yes.

I'm not sure Roy Keane is looking for another striker just yet.

He would have next to nothing of his contract left by then so the price would presumably start to drop.

Where are you getting the 5mil figure from RedRedRobin? Can you come up with any examples of other players at our level going for anywhere near that amount? I think 2.5 is pretty unrealistic as a figure now, even if we got lucky and had a few desperate teams bidding it out in January.

The more realistic scenario is that a club makes a decent bid, cox kicks up a fuss saying he wants the move, we sell him.

Has a league 1 player ever gone for £3m let alone £5m?   The highest I can think of is Maynard to city for £2.2m. Can anyone top that?

Proven Championship goalscorers move to the premiership (normally Sunderland) for £5m-£6m.  See Chopra,  Jones, Nugent

I agree ith RRR, my take too. Cox has said he doesn't want to go, he wants to go up to the championship with us. So lets tie him in with a 5 year deal, & not let him go unless we are offered sufficient to basically replace a whole team at our level.
Barring injury, which you can insure against he should be worth more the longer he stays.

you people are on crack

We would get 2 million tops for Cox I reckon.

Saying we won't let him go for less than 5million doesn't make him worth 5million. He's only worth that if someone will pay for it.

Billy Sharp seems a good example of transfers around our level, he went for £2million but only after getting Scunthorpe promoted. Probably a more realistic maximum figure, cox hasn't achieved what he had yet.

hahahahahhahaha

Peterborough asked for 4-5 million for Aaron Mclean when Wolves came sniffing around and this was when they were in League 2 I think. Wolves offered between 1-2 million so Posh told them to bolt.

Cox at present is worth 1.5 max.. at the end of the season with 30 goals still 1.5 max. If he gets 30 next year in Div 1 still1.5. He'll maybe be worth 2.5 very tops if we were in the championship. Never ever going to be worth 5M. that's a joke.

what happend the last time we sold our top goal scorer in Jan?

didnt we go down!  :(

i think that Fitton should offer Cox a new contract as Coxy said himself he does not want to leave and if he was offered a new contract then he would have no problem putting pen to paper!!!

Or all this stuff in the papers what hes said could just be bollocks to keep us happy...

FWIW my Spurs supporting workmate asked me about him. I said he was better than Pavlyuchenko.

Stupid cunt believed me too

The only thing Cox is better at than Pav is...............speaking English!!!

I,m sure thats fair value now but people seem to be missing my point which is his value down the line. his real value which will be apparent if we can hold him here till the end of 2009 season with a hatfull of goals scored for two full seasons. This point is still 1 ,2/3rds  seasons away. Af is no fool. We do not have to give Cox  away for peanuts. Af will prob tie him him to a longer term contract and stick out for 5mil at end of 2009. Examples of this kind of money are thin on the ground but its all down to negotiation for a then well proven commodity. stop thinking of the old boards amateurish  attitude and take some comfort in AF'S  skills. Why sell him to a Champ side who will then double their money with a sell on when we can have it all ourselves or perhaps even keep him longer term; better still.

I admire your optimism RRR, but you talk about all of this as if it is a certainty when its clearly not.

But you've missed everyone else's point that no player has ever got such a high transfer fee from a league 1 team. £5m you'd get for a top scorer in the upper reaches of the Championship. We're not there now and we wont be next year.

If we keep Cox beyond January it's because we want his goals for longer, not because we reckon we'd get more money come the end of the season. The difference is, we're not the cash strapped club we used to be, we just want to be a financially stable one, which we're still working towards. There's no need to sell Cox in January to achieve this (if we need to sell at all), when we could sell him at the end of the year. Selling in January will only get us the cash sooner. There may not be a need for a hit of cash so soon.

In fact, what happens next year and the year after that and so on?  I'd stop worrying about one player, because in the long run that one player is not going to make us financially self-sustainable, which is the objective of the Board for the Club. They have identified selling players could be the answer to this, but in order to do that we're going to need better players than those we have already, because most of them are not saleable assets. So in fact if we're going to ahieve our goal, we're going to become a stronger team anyway.

Boo sipie beat me to typing this out but I'll post it anyway.

Do you not see the problems with all the if's in your optomistic masterplan RRR? Even by your thinking it requires:

Cox to stay fit until the end of next season.
Cox to stay in the same vain of form until the end of next season.
Cox willing to stay if a big club comes in (I don't think he'd be ignored if he requested a move, unhappy players tend to be shit anyway)
Cox signing a contract extension (also pretty unlikely, if he doesn't he'll only have a year left on his contract.)
The club being willing to turn down large offers for cox (We're still going to be a selling club)

Even then I doubt we'd get 5 million at the end of 09/10 without these extra things happening...
Promotion this year.
Cox being top scorer in the championship next year.

...and if he does go in Jan we should get Steve Brooker from Bristol City - thats my input anyway

But we'll lose up to £3.5m by selling him in january! 

FACT

I know yours isnt a serious point but thats bollocks, if anything his highest value will be in January because he's got the most time left on his contract (18 months?)

I imagine he's presuming we'll get relegated if he goes and making numbers up regarding the cost of relegation Deev.

we had this with Rory Fallon a few seasons back.

We sold him for 300k and apparently according to Devlin the cost of relegation was 200k. What that broke down to I really dont know but we bought in Wise and sold more season tickets so I guess it didnt matter in the end.

Basically, if we want a decent sum of money for Cox we need to sell him when he's got time left on his contract. So January or the end of the season. We wont let him get into the last year of his contract and we always seem to take ages to offer new contract.

Just look at Comminges last season, if we'd offered him a new deal in January he may have signed it.

So we either sell him this season or get him to sign a contract extention

on the contract situation if Sean Morrsion is so good hes been starting games and loads of prem clubs interested why the fuck havent we got him signed up? his deal is up in the summer

we seem to be pretty piss poor with offering contracts.

The only time we got it spot on was when Iffy (was it orginally Iffy?) offered Jutkiewicz a 3 year deal....

I'd get Simon and Sean sat down asap. Offer Sean 3 years and Cox a one year extention

Cox wont sign an extention, of course hes going to say the things fans wanna hear in interviews, fact is he wants to play at the highest possible level he can, he wont achieve that with swindon unfortunately, he will be off the 1 chance a decent bid comes in

Signing a contract extension doesnt effect that at all in the slightest.

Just means we get more money.

Super Sammy signed a year extension, we all knew he was going just when we sold him he had a longer contract and thus we probably got more money.

yeah i was referring to some idiot who said give him a 5 year deal

But what you said was "he won't sign an extension". Which you then immediately admitted was bollocks.

he wont, DV said that sam signed 1 year extention, which he did and i said yeah that means more money when the longer the deal, i will but my car on Cox not signing a deal

Can I have your car please?

I'm not really interested in cars, is there a cash alternative?

I'd agree that all the badge-kissing in the press is just what people want to hear. But not necessarily he'll be off at the first offer, he doesn't need to, he can afford to wait till the summer and pick and choose then

he will have plenty to choose from in january, most of who have been in touch already

whom

Yeah come on fucking whom smarty fucking bollocks

Come on Bennett, he enjoys it most.

face or tits ?

Back.

yep

good shout

     All good and persuasive points as I think are Si Pies.

However, I believe very strongly in Cox's abilities as I do in AF's.  I do not think this is an impossible scenario. It is a matter of opinion with me and not really capable of proof at this stage except to say that Cox is always trying to improve his game and is a real winner and AF hit the ground running, knows what he wants with the club and is nowbodies fool. Records are there to be broken and both these people are well above run of the mill. There are already large clubs out there who are showing an interest in Cox it is rumoured and I expect this to gather apace if we can hang on to him.

By the way not wishing to be in any way patronising Ben and Si Pie, but thanks for your well thought out replies.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11719_4520693,00.html

Sky are off again about Cox, basically saying that he's off in Jan, even though the man himself doesnt really mention anything concrete himself...

That article just says he will decide whether or not he should move if the option is made available to him. About as 'non story' as it gets

I would be very disheartened if he left in january after Nick Watkins comments this week at the trust meeting.

For now I trust the board in what they say and believe Cox will stay.

It doesn't say that at all mate. Are you special or what?

if cox goes injanuary ill suck my own cox

Listening to Nick Watkins on Monday I am pretty confident that Cox is going no where at present unless a silly bid of £3,000,000 (i think that was the figure mentioned) or so is put in which it won't be.
The point is he is worth what ever someone is willing to pay & our board is willing to accept. They won't accept anything less than top dollar.
David Byrne also said that Cox himself is loving it with us as he is playing every game & scoring too. He'd sign a new contract no question. The only thing is a new contract will cost the club a lot more in wages than his current one.

Errrmmm... I know thats the point I was making, a real non-story so why do they bother?

Well yes, my wife and dog think I'm special...... and thats about all.

hmmmm now maybe puting 2 and 2 together and getting 5 BUT Everton are on the look out for a striker now with Yakubu out injured until the end of the season.

Ok they could bring back James Beattie who is at Sheff United but David Moyes seems keen to look at our players. Likely through Paul Sturrock though, Lukas Jutkiewicz, Peter Brezovan being the 2 that stand out (and probably only 2), any chance of Cox going to Everton? STUPID Post no doubt but logical?

I don;t think Moyes has looked at any of our squad since Sturrock left admittedly.

If ime right Cox would only go if he was playing...or he wouldve stayed at Reading and been in the prem soon anyway.....my feeling is if a top manager like Pearce comes here then he will stay a while...if not probably a move to a biggish championship club with some money to burn....not a stupid post Gazza,but looking at Lucas Jukes lack of chances i cant see him going someware to warm the bench.

Behave Gazza

That's 2 + 2 = 43.1

I think I used Everton as the example at Yakubu is out injured for the season, Saha is out for a couple of months as is  James Vaughan. Lukas may get a chance now but not sure.... Naturally Cox's next destination is likely the Championship. A team like Charlton could benefit with him, Someone mentioned Sheffield United, Him and Beattie would be a formidable partnership but are they too similar??? I guess as you say it depends who comes in to clear up the mess?

Think Saha played today Gazza..prob why Lucas wasnt on the bench.

He did play but went off injured, Moyes said on Skysports he will be looking for a striker as Vaughan, Saha and Yakubu are all injured now!

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-news/football-news/2008/11/25/moyes-unhappy-as-saha-and-vaughan-suffer-injuries-55578-22335515/

I concur.

Anway, they've still got Feilani and Anichebe. I'd imagine they've got a few youth team players as well. If they were looking for a striker it'd only be on a short term basis anyway.

Fellaini's a midfielder, surely.

The club's made it clear that they aren't interested in selling unless the price is stupid and therefore irresistable.

Cox has made it clear that he's not really interested in going to a bigger club at this stage where he would be 3rd or 4th choice striker as soon as other players are fit.

Why is this "story" continuing to be flogged about the place?

Welll durrrr... If you moan that something might happen now, you have more of a right to a moan if it does happen later. How could the club dare to consider any offer when such respected members of the fan community have publicly voiced their concerns?

cox to everton is the daftest thing i've read on here for a while

Agreed. And theres been some competition for that prize.

Championship club taking a risk.....if he does go..

Everton can play Lukas J up front instead and pay us more money (hopefully) in the process.

If Lukas ever starts a premiership game for Everton, I'll eat my left bollock.

If Cox leaves us for a premiership club and starts a game for them this season, I'll eat my right bollock.

What with Yakubu, Saha, Vaughan and Anichebe all injured you could be tasting your left bollock sooner than you think!

Nah, he's not good enough Dan. Moyes will get someone in the window before Lukas starts.

Maybe but the window is shut for this month?

Unless he can blag an emergency loan pretty quick or Anichebe recovers quickly as the others are all out long term.

Might be a case of needs must for them

Saved for prosperity


Be scared, be very very scared

Just ask Ash

Oh god no photos again PLEASE!! for the love of god

Just to cover all bases.....

Henrik Larsson, free agent now, so would be able to sign for them..

Lukas is on the bench for Everton today but found this thread and noticed Steve said start a game rather than play.

He's safe for a while....

Can't believe this thread is still going. I'll lay a tenner the only side Cox signs for in January is renewing his contract with us.

Betting against him staying then? ;)

if he aint gone in jan he will at the seasons end

he wont score another goal all season and we'll be stuck with him.

Oh bollocks. Erm, whatever the correct betting terminology is then. If he goes in January, I'll eat whichever of hertha's bollocks he hasn't got round to.

I'll pay money to see that, especially if it's done in front of the Trust office!

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2005/11/16/1132016820398.html

:puke:

The welsh are crazy bastards anyway.



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