Last chance Saloon for King

[lebowski]

One of the good things about King is he acts as a kind of lightning conductor for the incompetent shower that run our club....he's not a nice person so is fair game......look at the state the shitheads reduced Tinnion to in a short time he was in charge and he's supposed to be a club legend.

very good point! i never ever feel bad about slagging off king, because he really is an enormous fucking twat.

[Ben Wah Balls]

No it would be the worst thing ever.

Why? :roll:

Chances are King would get them promoted seeeing as he's so come close here with much less to work with. Couple that with us being even worse and it would be awful.

Get to fuck. Can you see King ever EVER organising a mean well disciplined team?

He talks about luck more than an Irish lepricorn.

I can see King organising a team that could get promotion certainly. Not difficult to see really, he's already guided two teams to the playoffs. With the resources Bristol City have they could easily win promotion.

I hope they get someone much worse. Another Tinnion will do nicely.

[Dazzza]

Come on Ben can you really see Andy King succeeding where the likes of Benny Lennartson have failed?  

Anyway back on to baldy.....

There's every chance we wouldn’t have to pay King a dime if he was sacked.

I keep dragging this old nugget up but here goes.   Before King signed his current rolling contract Mark Devlin gave an interview with the BBC and stated that should the circumstances ever arise the board had a get out quick/cheap clause in the manager’s contract.

Then there is the fact that we may not have to pay King a dime anyway.  Given results its well within the remit that he’s not fulfilling the terms of his contract and therefore can justifiably be sacked without retort.  Even if was he inclined to try and shaft the club once again and take it tribunal he’d have a tough job convincing any council that he has a right to compensation.  Worse case scenario and by some major miracle a council rules in his favour then he’d only be entitled to a relatively small amount as current contract has less than 12 months until it expires.

Take into account the outlay for legal fees then I don’t even think old baldy would be that stupid.

[Reg Smeeton]

No manager can get sacked for losing because its part of the game.....paying off managers is like paying up players, written into the framework of agreeing to be a league club.

   Gross misconduct such as kiddie fiddling or stealing or in the case of Tommy Doc  years ago shagging the physios's misuse, would be the only way of not having to pay up.

[Spencer_White]

Look Danny Wilson couldnt get them promoted and he is a far far far superior manager to King.

King is a bodger. You can tell from his interviews that he cant convey anything of worth to a football team. Just hope to gee them up with snappy one liners and keep a happy camp.

I think we would be a lot more loyal to any Town legend that came back than City were to Tinnion (they are such shit fans!). Quinn got us relegated with little more than a murmur of discontent. If we do go down I just want to go down united as a club. This bickering does my head in. Id love to back the team for 90 minutes after 6 straight defeats (and I probably will at Donny next week). But I cant help but fell King has been such a witless prat at times that he deserves to be given the boot now he has been proven as a failure.

[lebowski]

I keep dragging this old nugget up but here goes.   Before King signed his current rolling contract Mark Devlin gave an interview with the BBC and stated that should the circumstances ever arise the board had a get out quick/cheap clause in the manager’s contract.

i imagine this is the rolling contract thing? mark devlin was always clever with his wording, and this, after all, is the same mark devlin that put ticket prices where they are now and the same mark devlin that put the clause in parkin's contract that allowed him to go so cheaply!

Then there is the fact that we may not have to pay King a dime anyway.  Given results its well within the remit that he’s not fulfilling the terms of his contract and therefore can justifiably be sacked without retort.  Even if was he inclined to try and shaft the club once again and take it tribunal he’d have a tough job convincing any council that he has a right to compensation.  Worse case scenario and by some major miracle a council rules in his favour then he’d only be entitled to a relatively small amount as current contract has less than 12 months until it expires.

considering we are swindon town and not real madrid... i would be absolutely amazed if he is contracted to maintain a certain [high] level of performance. in any case, the club would certainly risk being sue'd by him (he's a nasty bastard, in case you hadn't noticed!) if they didn't pay compensation for ending his contract before it's term had expired.

[Reg Smeeton]

Look Danny Wilson couldnt get them promoted and he is a far far far superior manager to King.

King is a bodger. You can tell from his interviews that he cant convey anything of worth to a football team. Just hope to gee them up with snappy one liners and keep a happy camp.

I think we would be a lot more loyal to any Town legend that came back than City were to Tinnion (they are such shit fans!). Quinn got us relegated with little more than a murmur of discontent. If we do go down I just want to go down united as a club. This bickering does my head in. Id love to back the team for 90 minutes after 6 straight defeats (and I probably will at Donny next week). But I cant help but fell King has been such a witless prat at times that he deserves to be given the boot now he has been proven as a failure.

 John Trollope who was such a club legend that he received the MBE for services to STFC, was abused by the inhabitants of the Arkell's, when we had a bit of a poor trot in 81/82...this was the 2nd home defeat v Darlo in  a run of 5 successive games in an othwise decent season...we finished 8th.

 Wasn't the TE.....just regulars who thought we were too good for Div 4 and should be beating the likes of Darlo...the Board acted and JT went back to the Youth Team.

 Quinny escaped because it was clear he wasn't operating on a level playing field.

[Dazzza]

No manager can get sacked for losing because its part of the game.....paying off managers is like paying up players, written into the framework of agreeing to be a league club.

   Gross misconduct such as kiddie fiddling or stealing or in the case of Tommy Doc  years ago shagging the physios's misuse, would be the only way of not having to pay up.

I didn't think managers have that sort of protection and are largely governed by the same laws as the rest of us mortals when it comes to employment.

Youre shit at your job, don’t meet the terms of your contract and can therefore be sacked.

May well be irrelevant regardless as new employment laws may well define a rolling contract as not meeting the required ‘continuous employment’ ruling to be able to claim for unfair dismissal.  

Therefore boot without consequence.  

[Ben Wah Balls]

Look Danny Wilson couldnt get them promoted and he is a far far far superior manager to King.

King is a bodger. You can tell from his interviews that he cant convey anything of worth to a football team. Just hope to gee them up with snappy one liners and keep a happy camp.

I think we would be a lot more loyal to any Town legend that came back than City were to Tinnion (they are such shit fans!). Quinn got us relegated with little more than a murmur of discontent. If we do go down I just want to go down united as a club. This bickering does my head in. Id love to back the team for 90 minutes after 6 straight defeats (and I probably will at Donny next week). But I cant help but fell King has been such a witless prat at times that he deserves to be given the boot now he has been proven as a failure.

Franchise are currently bottom. Wilson hasn't really achieved much with any team for years.

When Quinn got us relegated attendances dropped by 2, 000, where I was sitting I remember the fans moaned for the entire match every match, it was horrible.

I wouldn't like to see a legend returning 'cos I'd hate to see them abused if they failed at what is a very tough job for any manager. Maybe if the club can get back on a more stable footing at some point then it would be different.

[Reg Smeeton]

There are numerous examples of clubs who try and wriggle out of paying up a contract and they inevitably get clobbered.

 Think Harford, couldn't join us last season because he was sorting out his contract situation because Forest were getting funny as he'd only been there for a few weeks.

 Fellas like Peter Reid have put themselves into the top 50 football earners by trousering fat payouts from the likes of Leeds Sunderland and Coventry.....the trick is to have a good season appear to be a sought after manager sign a lucrative extension then follow it up by being crap and getting the sack.

[Dazzza]

i imagine this is the rolling contract thing? mark devlin was always clever with his wording, and this, after all, is the same mark devlin that put ticket prices where they are now and the same mark devlin that put the clause in parkin's contract that allowed him to go so cheaply!

I wish for the love of god I could find the linkage.  I remember I stumbled across it again a few months back but it now appears to have disappeared without trace.

The clause was definitely mentioned as a separate entity to a contract however who knows if it ever came to light.  After all the same article promised a full time scout that never materialised so it may all have been pie in the sky come the end of the day.

[santini]

I'm sure that when King is sacked we will appoint from outside the club, otherwise there is no point at all.  

Don't presume anybody is in on King's decision making. Sure, they all have opinions but King never listens. That was always Crosby's moan.

[Kinky Tom]

I'm sure that when King is sacked we will appoint from outside the club, otherwise there is no point at all.  

Don't presume anybody is in on King's decision making. Sure, they all have opinions but King never listens. That was always Crosby's moan.

That's not really what I'm saying - I just think we need a completely new influence, and as you seem to think too, someone who will value his coaching staff's suggestions.

[lebowski]

I wish for the love of god I could find the linkage.  I remember I stumbled across it again a few months back but it now appears to have disappeared without trace.

The clause was definitely mentioned as a separate entity to a contract however who knows if it ever came to light.  After all the same article promised a full time scout that never materialised so it may all have been pie in the sky come the end of the day.

i remember it, but always thought that the "rolling" nature of it was the mutually beneficial terms. maybe not, but i cant imagine king accepting anything less knowing how less-than-popular he is.

I didn't think managers have that sort of protection and are largely governed by the same laws as the rest of us mortals when it comes to employment.

Youre shit at your job, don’t meet the terms of your contract and can therefore be sacked.

yeah but work for any decent company and you'd still get your notice period paid, unless it was gross misconduct.

[Piemonte]

very good point! i never ever feel bad about slagging off king, because he really is an enormous fucking twat.

 

This bickering does my head in.

I dont look forward to being in the TE for the Donny game, especially if we concede early again. The atmosphere is poisionous

 Quinny escaped because it was clear he wasn't operating on a level playing field.

Quite right, he never got any stick because anyone even half decent got sold off in the 2nd half of the season.  Mourinho wouldnt have done much better in that situation.

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