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« Reply #450 on: Thursday, November 19, 2020, 09:45:06 »

Also its mid November. If players are still free agents Im not sure they are in any position to be particularly fussy about wages.

Just using 36 year old Lee Camp as an example - even if he felt Swindon and their offer were way below him. Would it do him any harm to sign a short term month to month contract on naff all wages.

Hes earning, as naff all will still be more than the zero he is earning now. Hed be playing to keep his fitness up and his name about - then if does get a better offer he could go within weeks.


Exactly my thinking. Surely 2k a week is better than nothing?
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« Reply #451 on: Thursday, November 19, 2020, 10:07:50 »

May as well get involved with this keeper chat, but in general does Sheridan have a 'go to' keeper that he has worked with regularly in his managerial career? Or does he just work with what he has.
Not really a go to keeper, but he has with Oldham and Chestefield used these keepers, no idea if they are all still playing or even available.

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« Reply #452 on: Thursday, November 19, 2020, 10:13:32 »


If Luke McCormick was seemingly out of our price range to retain the services of. Lee Camp will be way out of our price range. Too high a wage command unfortunately.
How many times, it was nothing to do with him being out of our price range...... McCormick has a long term shoulder injury that he was managing even when he was playing for us, it was part of the reason he was let go by Plymouth in the first place. It flared up for him pre-season and he's so far been injured all season and is on the wind down to retirement now so wouldn't have been much use to us. He was never going to be able to play much this season and any offer we made to him would have reflected that, he's gone back to Plymouth primarily to be a coach.
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« Reply #453 on: Thursday, November 19, 2020, 11:03:00 »

How many times, it was nothing to do with him being out of our price range...... McCormick has a long term shoulder injury that he was managing even when he was playing for us, it was part of the reason he was let go by Plymouth in the first place. It flared up for him pre-season and he's so far been injured all season and is on the wind down to retirement now so wouldn't have been much use to us. He was never going to be able to play much this season and any offer we made to him would have reflected that, he's gone back to Plymouth primarily to be a coach.
McCormick was signed by Lowe for the first team and there is no mention of him doing any form of coaching there. His injury was one he did not have while at Swindon and when he left he was fully fit.

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/sport/football/ryan-lowe-argyle-luke-mccormick-4382499

Luke was signed to challenge for the first team.

They recently appointed Darren Behcet as goalkeeping coach with no mention of Luke even wanting that role.

Yes he is of the age where injuries happen but when he left us he was not injured. He passed his medical at Plymouth without any problems, thei injury is a totally new injury.

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/sport/football/plymouth-argyle-goalkeeper-luke-mccormick-4565830

I understand Wellens told him he wouldnt play and we offered him far reduced terms.
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« Reply #454 on: Thursday, November 19, 2020, 11:17:52 »

McCormick was signed by Lowe for the first team and there is no mention of him doing any form of coaching there. His injury was one he did not have while at Swindon and when he left he was fully fit.

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/sport/football/ryan-lowe-argyle-luke-mccormick-4382499

Luke was signed to challenge for the first team.

They recently appointed Darren Behcet as goalkeeping coach with no mention of Luke even wanting that role.

Yes he is of the age where injuries happen but when he left us he was not injured. He passed his medical at Plymouth without any problems, thei injury is a totally new injury.

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/sport/football/plymouth-argyle-goalkeeper-luke-mccormick-4565830

I understand Wellens told him he wouldnt play and we offered him far reduced terms.
They aren't going to say he's just there for a last pay cheque are they, he's had persistent shoulder and ankle injuries for a while and has gone there to wind down, after all he is 37. As bad as Kovar and Fryer are this constant pining that McCormick should have been retained and we couldn't afford him does my head in, he wouldn't have been any use this season either especially with the short recovery period between games.
We just didn't get in a new keeper with a reasonable level of experience to challenge in the summer, thats the issue. Keeping McCormick wouldn't have solved anything.
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« Reply #455 on: Thursday, November 19, 2020, 11:36:50 »

We're not about to spend any more money in this dog of a season. Fryer will be OK, like everyone was saying two games ago.

The bigger issue in our defence is for our senior players - Baudry, Grounds, Grant - to get back on their game, and soon.
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« Reply #456 on: Thursday, November 19, 2020, 11:42:45 »

We're not about to spend any more money in this dog of a season. Fryer will be OK, like everyone was saying two games ago.

The bigger issue in our defence is for our senior players - Baudry, Grounds, Grant - to get back on their game, and soon.
Fryer's contract ends next month so we won't need to spend more, just spend his wages on a half competent keeper.
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« Reply #457 on: Thursday, November 19, 2020, 12:13:47 »

They aren't going to say he's just there for a last pay cheque are they, he's had persistent shoulder and ankle injuries for a while and has gone there to wind down, after all he is 37...

Straws. Clutching much?!  Hmmm

It isn't "pining for McCormick", more so if you bothered to read, a mere suggestion of having a pro like McCormick. As for Luke, you can't say for certain it wouldn't have solved anything. Had he been retained his experience could possibly have been invaluable in the dressing room. He may have purely been a bench warmer (like he was for Benda) but I would bet his experience would have been much more useful and influential on one young keeper than having two young keepers; whose confidence are now totally shot to shite. I think you are also intelligent enough to figure out a squad isn't always about everything on the pitch. There's a bigger picture for certain and you know that.

Anyway you missed the point. We wouldn't be able to afford Camp (going by his wages at both Derby & Wednesday). He's likely got enough in the bank to see him through a Christmas lockdown period.

Joe Fryer isn't on loan.

Hairs. Splitting much?! (probably splitting Bamboo is more appropriate) Hmmm

Fair do's but you avoid the point and I'm sure you have the intelligence to instead of point out one mistake but to note it and amend your reading necessary? A little apophenia or mild imagination could have allowed you to understand the mistake and carry on instead of nitpicking (do Pandas pick nits off each other or just themselves? Possibly the latter as they are perceived as a species of solitude).

The point stands, sending one keeper back (just to confirm, that is Kovar isn't it?) and getting in a month to month OOC experienced keeper (with a view to EoS contract if doing okay). Further, assess Fryer in Jan. If he hasn't got better with an experienced keeper alongside then we may have to cut some nominal losses and let him go.

With at least one loan space available (if returning Kovar), I still think having a bit of a chat with Michael Flynn regarding the services of Tom King (with them keeping Twine) on loan in January isn't a too wild suggestion. An enquiry certainly wouldn't hurt.
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« Reply #458 on: Thursday, November 19, 2020, 12:26:35 »

Lets hope there is a GK lined up for Jan 1 when transfer window opens, the issue is it depends if if there is a clause in Kovar's contract that allows for him to be sent back as we signed him on a season long loan, or if it is only a clause for him to be recalled.

It depends what money we have available as well and if we are keeping up with wage payments and paying the likes of HMRC, if not we may have to start getting the begging bowl out.
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« Reply #459 on: Thursday, November 19, 2020, 12:27:11 »

Straws. Clutching much?!  Hmmm

It isn't "pining for McCormick", more so if you bothered to read, a mere suggestion of having a pro like McCormick. As for Luke, you can't say for certain it wouldn't have solved anything. Had he been retained his experience could possibly have been invaluable in the dressing room. He may have purely been a bench warmer (like he was for Benda) but I would bet his experience would have been much more useful and influential on one young keeper than having two young keepers; whose confidence are now totally shot to shite. I think you are also intelligent enough to figure out a squad isn't always about everything on the pitch. There's a bigger picture for certain and you know that.

Anyway you missed the point. We wouldn't be able to afford Camp (going by his wages at both Derby & Wednesday). He's likely got enough in the bank to see him through a Christmas lockdown period.

Hairs. Splitting much?! (probably splitting Bamboo is more appropriate) Hmmm

Fair do's but you avoid the point and I'm sure you have the intelligence to instead of point out one mistake but to note it and amend your reading necessary? A little apophenia or mild imagination could have allowed you to understand the mistake and carry on instead of nitpicking (do Pandas pick nits off each other or just themselves? Possibly the latter as they are perceived as a species of solitude).

The point stands, sending one keeper back (just to confirm, that is Kovar isn't it?) and getting in a month to month OOC experienced keeper (with a view to EoS contract if doing okay). Further, assess Fryer in Jan. If he hasn't got better with an experienced keeper alongside then we may have to cut some nominal losses and let him go.

With at least one loan space available (if returning Kovar), I still think having a bit of a chat with Michael Flynn regarding the services of Tom King (with them keeping Twine) on loan in January isn't a too wild suggestion. An enquiry certainly wouldn't hurt.

If you're going to invest the time you must spend writing the massively detailed posts you write, I don't think it's splitting hairs to correct an inaccuracy.

Kovar has come here to make mistakes. That's the whole point of sending a young GK out. Now we've seen both, Kovar is the more competent of the two in my opinion, right now, and has a higher ceiling.

Can we swap Fryer for a more solid pro in January? Perhaps, and it's the best we can hope for. Plenty doing the rounds on a free, but a) we're potentially under an Um Bongo if we're one of the 10+ clubs who asked for help with wages last month (no idea if we are or not) and b) we haven't got a pot to piss in.

Are Newport going to loan out their (very competitive) backup keeper when they're flying? Why would they? What's in it for them? Makes no sense on their part.
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« Reply #460 on: Thursday, November 19, 2020, 12:34:39 »

Not really a go to keeper, but he has with Oldham and Chestefield used these keepers, no idea if they are all still playing or even available.

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« Reply #461 on: Thursday, November 19, 2020, 12:35:49 »

Also its mid November. If players are still free agents Im not sure they are in any position to be particularly fussy about wages.

Just using 36 year old Lee Camp as an example - even if he felt Swindon and their offer were way below him. Would it do him any harm to sign a short term month to month contract on naff all wages.

Hes earning, as naff all will still be more than the zero he is earning now. Hed be playing to keep his fitness up and his name about - then if does get a better offer he could go within weeks.



Lee Camp is no better than Fryer.
Confident we can find a more reliable keeper from somewhere.
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« Reply #462 on: Thursday, November 19, 2020, 12:37:15 »

Fryer's contract ends next month so we won't need to spend more, just spend his wages on a half competent keeper.

Exactly. We've got another six weeks to judge him, not just the last three games (one of which we lost). Hope that helps everyone stow the wild talk for a while.
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« Reply #463 on: Thursday, November 19, 2020, 12:37:35 »

Someone tweeted Alan Nixon regarding if we are in the hunt for a new keeper and his response was 'no money' so I reckon we'll be working what we have until January anyhow.
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« Reply #464 on: Thursday, November 19, 2020, 12:46:17 »

Exactly. We've got another six weeks to judge him, not just the last three games (one of which we lost). Hope that helps everyone stow the wild talk for a while.
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You're making the assumption he will play again....
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