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« on: Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 18:08:42 »

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With Mansfield sacking Flitcroft after failing to get promotion with a reported £3m budget, shouldn’t we have done much better with a, supposed, £2-2.5m budget?

Can’t attach any blame to Wellens for this but, Flitcroft again, and Brown both managed to squander what is a decent budget for L2.

Poor recruitment by both - maybe Brown especially guilty of such a poorly balanced squad and a Flitcroft for some rank poor signings.

Maybe this time we can actually discuss the question?
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« Reply #1 on: Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 18:20:17 »

We should have done much better.

Too many spaces in the squad filled by players who haven't actually played have hindered us massively I feel. Robertson, Lancashire, Diagouraga are 3 examples of good money wasted. When you think Lancashire and Robertson's  wages could have funded an extra strikers wages it becomes clear the budget has been used poorly in the past.

Aside from Diagouraga who Wellens clearly doesn't fancy and either needs to play or ship out, he has a clean slate to build from this season. We should all be praying he gets it right or it sets us up for another 2 seasons of failure not just the one as he's said loans aren't really for him, so you can imagine plenty of 2 year deals will be handed out by the club over the summer. We've effectively finally come to the end of the Flitcroft cycle.

I'm equally nervous and excited about our recruitment over the next couple of months.
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« Reply #2 on: Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 18:24:00 »

I think it's a bit harsh to judge them on Dave but other than that, yeah.
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« Reply #3 on: Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 18:27:16 »

We should have done much better last season and the season before.

Flitcroft was the worst failure bringing in several very average players on 2 year contracts and then fucks off in a decent position, Brown brought a few of his own players in, some also on 2 year contracts.

Both managers had squads that didn't need much tinkering to make good but neither could achieve that.

I would say both are equally to blame.
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« Reply #4 on: Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 18:29:48 »

Budgets don’t guarantee you a damn thing.

The way some people bang on you’d think the League table always finishes in budget order top to bottom.

When Chelsea became heavily funded it took bringing in Mourinho to build a team before they won the league.
Manchester City took a while before winning things.
Manchester United have gone to shit post Ferguson.

Too much is made of budgets. It’s not as simple as throw money at it & it works.

Plus, how much information on the internet about ours or indeed other teams budgets is actually accurate? Do we really know?

Like Power could say we have a 2m budget & owner of another club could say they have a 3m budget, so more than us right?

...but...Power could just be talking about the playing budget & the other owner could be talking about the clubs entire budget chief exec down to Doris the tea lady
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« Reply #5 on: Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 18:43:43 »

Take Newport out of the equation and I’d say the other 6 had top end budgets.

Then there’s Notts County.
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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 18:48:21 »

Budget aside I think most of us can still see that we should have done better. We have some good players at level, what we didn't have was a good 'team' and that is down to the people that bought them in.
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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 18:51:26 »

what we didn't have was a good 'team' and that is down to the people that bought them in.
Also the positions and tactics they were told to play in didn't suit them, thats bad management more than anything.

Yes we understand that some players are versatile but several under both those managers were asked to play in positions totally alien to them.
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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 18:54:07 »

The biggest tell tale sign of how badly we have compiled a "squad" is that nearly all of the players we just released were not 1st team regulars, but were purchased to be just that.

Wellens could use their entire cost, recruit 5 decent players and be in a better position.
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« Reply #9 on: Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 18:57:37 »

Also the positions and tactics they were told to play in didn't suit them, thats bad management more than anything.

Yes we understand that some players are versatile but several under both those managers were asked to play in positions totally alien to them.

Reg will love me here.............Flitcroft did do one thing  purchased for the style he wanted.  They were pretty poor quality in the end when we tried to switch, but they did OK when lumping it forward for four front men to play off 50/50's.

Brown got some good players, but managed to bring in a lopsided squad and then couldn't settle on how to use them.  In fact he got a bit frantic, the longer it went, the more he tried to change it around.
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« Reply #10 on: Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 19:18:20 »

ok legacy players hamstrung Brown in terms of new bodies.

ok on paper doughty and Dave were a midfield that should have been too good for the league.

but we started the league with a dodgy defence and a reliance on Richards to score goals.

 We all knew we needed a striker, a left back and possibly a centre back. So should Brown.
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« Reply #11 on: Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 19:23:39 »

We also had only one winger for most of the season.
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« Reply #12 on: Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 19:26:34 »

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We also had only one winger for most of the season.

good point.

surprised Wellens binned him to be honest. not that I thought he was good, but he had pace.

maybe it was a case of freeing up a % of wages.
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« Reply #13 on: Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 19:29:08 »

good point.

surprised Wellens binned him to be honest. not that I thought he was good, but he had pace.

maybe it was a case of freeing up a % of wages.
His assists & goals ratio meant RW had no options other than to bin him in my opinion. Appalling for a winger who had dropped down a level.
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« Reply #14 on: Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 19:37:02 »

We should have done much better last season and the season before.

Flitcroft was the worst failure bringing in several very average players on 2 year contracts and then fucks off in a decent position, Brown brought a few of his own players in, some also on 2 year contracts.

Both managers had squads that didn't need much tinkering to make good but neither could achieve that.

I would say both are equally to blame.

I think that is a fair synopsis.
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