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Title: Budget#2
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 18:08:42
To quote Audrey:

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With Mansfield sacking Flitcroft after failing to get promotion with a reported £3m budget, shouldnít we have done much better with a, supposed, £2-2.5m budget?

Canít attach any blame to Wellens for this but, Flitcroft again, and Brown both managed to squander what is a decent budget for L2.

Poor recruitment by both - maybe Brown especially guilty of such a poorly balanced squad and a Flitcroft for some rank poor signings.

Maybe this time we can actually discuss the question?


Title: Re: Budget#2
Post by: Super Hans on Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 18:20:17
We should have done much better.

Too many spaces in the squad filled by players who haven't actually played have hindered us massively I feel. Robertson, Lancashire, Diagouraga are 3 examples of good money wasted. When you think Lancashire and Robertson's  wages could have funded an extra strikers wages it becomes clear the budget has been used poorly in the past.

Aside from Diagouraga who Wellens clearly doesn't fancy and either needs to play or ship out, he has a clean slate to build from this season. We should all be praying he gets it right or it sets us up for another 2 seasons of failure not just the one as he's said loans aren't really for him, so you can imagine plenty of 2 year deals will be handed out by the club over the summer. We've effectively finally come to the end of the Flitcroft cycle.

I'm equally nervous and excited about our recruitment over the next couple of months.


Title: Re: Budget#2
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 18:24:00
I think it's a bit harsh to judge them on Dave but other than that, yeah.


Title: Re: Budget#2
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 18:27:16
We should have done much better last season and the season before.

Flitcroft was the worst failure bringing in several very average players on 2 year contracts and then fucks off in a decent position, Brown brought a few of his own players in, some also on 2 year contracts.

Both managers had squads that didn't need much tinkering to make good but neither could achieve that.

I would say both are equally to blame.


Title: Re: Budget#2
Post by: DV Canio on Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 18:29:48
Budgets donít guarantee you a damn thing.

The way some people bang on youíd think the League table always finishes in budget order top to bottom.

When Chelsea became heavily funded it took bringing in Mourinho to build a team before they won the league.
Manchester City took a while before winning things.
Manchester United have gone to shit post Ferguson.

Too much is made of budgets. Itís not as simple as throw money at it & it works.

Plus, how much information on the internet about ours or indeed other teams budgets is actually accurate? Do we really know?

Like Power could say we have a 2m budget & owner of another club could say they have a 3m budget, so more than us right?

...but...Power could just be talking about the playing budget & the other owner could be talking about the clubs entire budget chief exec down to Doris the tea lady


Title: Re: Budget#2
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 18:43:43
Take Newport out of the equation and Iíd say the other 6 had top end budgets.

Then thereís Notts County.


Title: Re: Budget#2
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 18:48:21
Budget aside I think most of us can still see that we should have done better. We have some good players at level, what we didn't have was a good 'team' and that is down to the people that bought them in.


Title: Re: Budget#2
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 18:51:26
what we didn't have was a good 'team' and that is down to the people that bought them in.
Also the positions and tactics they were told to play in didn't suit them, thats bad management more than anything.

Yes we understand that some players are versatile but several under both those managers were asked to play in positions totally alien to them.


Title: Re: Budget#2
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 18:54:07
The biggest tell tale sign of how badly we have compiled a "squad" is that nearly all of the players we just released were not 1st team regulars, but were purchased to be just that.

Wellens could use their entire cost, recruit 5 decent players and be in a better position.


Title: Re: Budget#2
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 18:57:37
Also the positions and tactics they were told to play in didn't suit them, thats bad management more than anything.

Yes we understand that some players are versatile but several under both those managers were asked to play in positions totally alien to them.

Reg will love me here.............Flitcroft did do one thing  purchased for the style he wanted.  They were pretty poor quality in the end when we tried to switch, but they did OK when lumping it forward for four front men to play off 50/50's.

Brown got some good players, but managed to bring in a lopsided squad and then couldn't settle on how to use them.  In fact he got a bit frantic, the longer it went, the more he tried to change it around.


Title: Re: Budget#2
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 19:18:20
ok legacy players hamstrung Brown in terms of new bodies.

ok on paper doughty and Dave were a midfield that should have been too good for the league.

but we started the league with a dodgy defence and a reliance on Richards to score goals.

 We all knew we needed a striker, a left back and possibly a centre back. So should Brown.


Title: Re: Budget#2
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 19:23:39
We also had only one winger for most of the season.


Title: Re: Budget#2
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 19:26:34
Quote from: Flashheart
We also had only one winger for most of the season.

good point.

surprised Wellens binned him to be honest. not that I thought he was good, but he had pace.

maybe it was a case of freeing up a % of wages.


Title: Re: Budget#2
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 19:29:08
good point.

surprised Wellens binned him to be honest. not that I thought he was good, but he had pace.

maybe it was a case of freeing up a % of wages.
His assists & goals ratio meant RW had no options other than to bin him in my opinion. Appalling for a winger who had dropped down a level.


Title: Re: Budget#2
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 19:37:02
We should have done much better last season and the season before.

Flitcroft was the worst failure bringing in several very average players on 2 year contracts and then fucks off in a decent position, Brown brought a few of his own players in, some also on 2 year contracts.

Both managers had squads that didn't need much tinkering to make good but neither could achieve that.

I would say both are equally to blame.

I think that is a fair synopsis.


Title: Re: Budget#2
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 20:36:54
Reg will love me here.............Flitcroft did do one thing  purchased for the style he wanted.  They were pretty poor quality in the end when we tried to switch, but they did OK when lumping it forward for four front men to play off 50/50's.

Brown got some good players, but managed to bring in a lopsided squad and then couldn't settle on how to use them.  In fact he got a bit frantic, the longer it went, the more he tried to change it around.

Flitcroft got in half a dozen or so on 2 year contracts, or more with options... Taylor, Robertson, Lancashire, Dunne, Knoyle, Keshi and Kaiyne.  Robertson was a waste, Lancashire looked an OK Div 4 stopper, until injured. Dunne limited, but usually fit to play and we needed some Div 4 experience in the middle, so you get a man with 200 odd games at the level..... it's just what you do.

 Knoyle has been offered a new contract, and K and K some consider our best "footballers", if maddeningly inconsistent.. on a good day they can be very good.  Taylor, a very good signing....

 The modern day coach is all about improving what you've got.... will Wellens be able to get something out of Scott Twine?


Title: Re: Budget#2
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 16, 2019, 09:29:11
Flitcroft was the worst failure bringing in several very average players on 2 year contracts and then fucks off in a decent position, Brown brought a few of his own players in, some also on 2 year contracts.


Thing is if players are only signed on 1 year deals everyone starts bleating about the short termism in building a squad and the inevitable squad churn, not making excuses for either manager but they cannot win really.

The biggest tell tale sign of how badly we have compiled a "squad" is that nearly all of the players we just released were not 1st team regulars, but were purchased to be just that.


Indeed, Wellens has inherited the residue of four windows of pretty poor and fairly scattergun recruitment.

Budget aside I think most of us can still see that we should have done better. We have some good players at level, what we didn't have was a good 'team' and that is down to the people that bought them in.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, I never really got the impression that Flitcroft and to a greater extent Brown actually recruited with a team in mind instead just gathering players and hoping they could play together. 


Title: Re: Budget#2
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, May 16, 2019, 09:56:18

Hindsight is a wonderful thing,

True, but I also think foresight was missing. It doesn't take hindsight to know that having one winger at a club, for example, is going to result in an imbalanced squad.


Title: Re: Budget#2
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:12:39
True, but I also think foresight was missing. It doesn't take hindsight to know that having one winger at a club, for example, is going to result in an imbalanced squad.

But we could only have 1 winger due to the 763 centre midfielders Brown thought we needed.

I assume he was looking at playing a 2-7-1 formation based on his signings.

The key consideration in light of the tone of the belligerent party upon these threads must be whether it was a left or right winger!  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Budget#2
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:33:41
True, but I also think foresight was missing. It doesn't take hindsight to know that having one winger at a club, for example, is going to result in an imbalanced squad.

Perhaps Broiwn thought that at the time our continuous longest serving player may have had something to offer as a left sided wide man....


Title: Re: Budget#2
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:43:18
McGlashan's signing, now in the context of the entire window Brown had, is perplexing.  Even if he felt one of the existing players could "do a job" on the left, he had no cover for either player, and hoping some youngster nails down a starting spot in a position he has not entirely been tried out in would be just as worrying.  Just seems like signing a player you like without thinking about how to use him.  He got a little unlucky by hoping Taylor and Richards would have a full season in them still, but I'd argue Taylor had already shown signs he didn't really have the longevity in him anymore.  Richards looked fine at seasons end, it was alarming how quickly he seemed to lose his touch (instinct more so as a poacher type of forward).


Title: Re: Budget#2
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 16, 2019, 13:10:15
I know it's OT, but I can't read the thread title without my brian (sic) inserting "electric boogaloo" after it