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« Reply #120 on: Thursday, July 16, 2020, 02:17:39 »

HTC meeting is starting.

Did you watch it? Was it as good as you hoped it to be? They launched some good phones in the last few years.
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« Reply #121 on: Thursday, July 16, 2020, 09:26:42 »

Donít hold much hope for the meeting itself though as having witnessed a few planning meetings on zoom already they have all been a clusterfuck without exception.

Have been meaning to ask..... Why?

I do it for a living and thus have to attend them, but avoid them like the plague unless I have to.
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« Reply #122 on: Thursday, July 16, 2020, 09:28:50 »

The problem is that Power is just too small time..... we've seen recently how it is done, with Jenrick, the Housing Minister and Desmond pornographer and ex owner of Express, throw the Tories a few grand, and go to a few fundraisers, and get the Minster to change his own decision, thus saving yourself 45 mill in tax.

I hate to say it as I know it doesn't suit the narrative but planning really isn't as corrupt (or interesting) as people like to think it is, which is why Jenricks peculiar actions are getting so much publicity.

And as I know you like facts  Wink he didn't change his own decision and it wasn't a tax saving Cheesy
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« Reply #123 on: Thursday, July 16, 2020, 09:52:18 »

I hate to say it as I know it doesn't suit the narrative but planning really isn't as corrupt (or interesting) as people like to think it is, which is why Jenricks peculiar actions are getting so much publicity.

And as I know you like facts  Wink he didn't change his own decision and it wasn't a tax saving Cheesy

 Local councilís community infrastructure levy (CIL), to the tune of 45 mill is considered to be a "tax"

 To clarify he changed the decision of his department and then seemingly changed his own decision on changing his department's decision.
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« Reply #124 on: Thursday, July 16, 2020, 10:15:44 »

Local councilís community infrastructure levy (CIL), to the tune of 45 mill is considered to be a "tax"

Well it ain't, if you want its Sunday name its a planning charge, with its foundation in planning legislation, one of the major problems with it is that its established and administered by planning professionals who often don't understand matters such as viability and also don't have the skill set to deal with the legal framework behind it.

As for the decision its within his gift, what has been interesting is the hands on approach he seems to have adopted with this and many many other cases which is much more proactive than his predecessors.
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« Reply #125 on: Thursday, July 16, 2020, 10:19:42 »

Have been meaning to ask..... Why?

I do it for a living and thus have to attend them, but avoid them like the plague unless I have to.
Just for work, one was to do with planning permission for a new O&G extraction site and the Councillors just embarrassed themselves, one Councillor had his wife sat next to him on Zoom and she was telling him how to vote, others weren't even in front of the camera when presentations were being made. At the end they didn't even know what they were voting as the chairperson did a motion for rejection rather than acceptance so it took about 3 different attempts before they voted correctly. It was recommended to be approved by planning officers so the Councillors were asked to provide their reasons for rejection but other than saying they don't like oil they couldn't give any. They then got given 30 minutes to go away and think of reasons and still couldn't give any so had another vote and still rejected it. It's now being investigated by the monitoring officer and the council still haven't released the reasons for rejections.

These Zoom meetings just play into the hands of NIMBY Councillors and makes the planning system even more of a shambles than normal.
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« Reply #126 on: Thursday, July 16, 2020, 10:27:40 »

Well it ain't, if you want its Sunday name its a planning charge,

What is the semantic differnce between a planning charge and a tax?   I guess in your world you had the Community Charge while most of the rest of us had the Poll Tax.

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« Reply #127 on: Thursday, July 16, 2020, 10:30:50 »

What is the semantic differnce between a planning charge and a tax?   I guess in your world you had the Community Charge while most of the rest of us had the Poll Tax.



Oh whatever, you know best.
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« Reply #128 on: Thursday, July 16, 2020, 10:34:31 »

Just for work, one was to do with planning permission for a new O&G extraction site and the Councillors just embarrassed themselves, one Councillor had his wife sat next to him on Zoom and she was telling him how to vote, others weren't even in front of the camera when presentations were being made. At the end they didn't even know what they were voting as the chairperson did a motion for rejection rather than acceptance so it took about 3 different attempts before they voted correctly. It was recommended to be approved by planning officers so the Councillors were asked to provide their reasons for rejection but other than saying they don't like oil they couldn't give any. They then got given 30 minutes to go away and think of reasons and still couldn't give any so had another vote and still rejected it. It's now being investigated by the monitoring officer and the council still haven't released the reasons for rejections.

These Zoom meetings just play into the hands of NIMBY Councillors and makes the planning system even more of a shambles than normal.

Oh extraction kit applications, I used to love those ones in the Tesco's days!

TBH that sounds very similar to most planning committees zoom or not, refusals against officer recommendation are always fun (the appeals are even better! except when you are the poor sod at the council who recommended it for approval and are now trying to justify why it was refused), especially when you have the Councils legal bods sat with their heads in their hands while they try to come up with reasons that stand up to the legal tests.
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« Reply #129 on: Thursday, July 16, 2020, 10:43:16 »

Oh extraction kit applications, I used to love those ones in the Tesco's days!

TBH that sounds very similar to most planning committees zoom or not, refusals against officer recommendation are always fun (the appeals are even better! except when you are the poor sod at the council who recommended it for approval and are now trying to justify why it was refused), especially when you have the Councils legal bods sat with their heads in their hands while they try to come up with reasons that stand up to the legal tests.
The best thing about this particular one is that a few months ago a similar refusal was overturned and found to be rejected illegally and council were ordered to pay £350k in costs. As a result of this a member of the councils legal team stated in the meeting that they need to accept this application or they are going to get taken apart in court as there are no legal reasons for rejection yet they still rejected it. Shows how little concern these people have about tax payers money.
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« Reply #130 on: Thursday, July 16, 2020, 11:01:37 »

The best thing about this particular one is that a few months ago a similar refusal was overturned and found to be rejected illegally and council were ordered to pay £350k in costs. As a result of this a member of the councils legal team stated in the meeting that they need to accept this application or they are going to get taken apart in court as there are no legal reasons for rejection yet they still rejected it. Shows how little concern these people have about tax payers money.

Par for the course, years back we acted for a developer who had, through the local plan process, got a policy included within the local plan that basically made the form of development they specialised in policy compliant.

From recollection, I think it took 5-6 refusals against officer recommendation, appeals and clobbering the council for costs until they finally heeded the advice from their legal officer that its basically impossible to refuse a policy compliant scheme and successfully defend at appeal.
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