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Title: The training ground.
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, February 6, 2016, 19:06:33
It all sounds good, but how will having our own training ground translate to tangible results on and off the pitch for the club? From my somewhat ignorant viewpoint on the matter, a field with cones and balls is a field with cones and balls regardless.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, February 6, 2016, 19:13:06
I don't think it will make any difference whatsoever. If the current model that the club operates in stays the same that is.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: A Gent Orange on Saturday, February 6, 2016, 19:39:32
Just a few ideas off the top of my head. Could be all wrong.

Better quality surfaces will help training - easy to pass on, learn on and having all-weather ones will help in winter when we currently seem to struggle.

Owning the pitches will mean they can be used more and more time spent on them - by players of all levels.

Having more pitches will mean the kids and first-team will be together. All can learn from each other and give manager/top coaches more sight of younger players for their development and younger coaches for their development. This can help integration between the teams for all. It will also help share ideas, technology, analysis etc within staff.


A single site will also allow the management to have more time with players before and after training especially if they can eat there - to control/oversea diet - but also just to talk about development of skills etc.

So not really a magic bullet but it should help considerably with a number of areas.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Sippo on Saturday, February 6, 2016, 19:51:14
Hopefully they will build a centre with eating facilities so the team can eat together and possibly have medical facilities?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, February 6, 2016, 19:59:53
I think it could make a huge difference.  It's not just the training pitches.  It's about having a base, with all the facilities that go with it.

Like many, I'm a bit 'jury out' about LP's model at the moment.  We're one of the bigger clubs in our division in terms of catchment area and support base, but you wouldn't know it.  For that reason, I find LP's 'you have to remember this club's been in admin' quotes from the last few days a little disingenuous.  Bit of a cop out.  Most clubs at our level would love to have 7,500 coming through the gates each home game.  Ask Burton, or ask Walsall.

BUT...if he gets the training facility built, and runs the club sustainably (which I do support) while he does it, he'll have his legacy.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: tans on Saturday, February 6, 2016, 20:14:19
I don't think it will make any difference whatsoever. If the current model that the club operates in stays the same that is.

What he said


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 6, 2016, 20:16:59
my thought was better facilities make it easier to sell to loaning clubs and players I suppose. though perms probably don't choose club based on the training pitch..

I'm not saying that's why he bought it mind. that's probably for development of other bits of the land to make some cash, but we get the logistical benefits of everything in one place.

did I imagine it out did he say it's a couple of years away yet..


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Jimmy Glass is an Alien on Saturday, February 6, 2016, 20:46:34
did I imagine it out did he say it's a couple of years away yet..

I think you are right. I assume it is based on the contract signed to use Calne for 3 years, plus the time it will take to put some basic facilities in. I'm hoping there is some provisional planning permission for artificial pitches, floodlights, out buildings etc otherwise it could be a very expensive piece of land with little development opportunity.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: suttonred on Saturday, February 6, 2016, 21:20:10
That would have been checked prior to purchase going through due diligence. I doubt he got where he is without being careful.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Power to people on Monday, February 8, 2016, 12:26:43
Interesting to see what he does with the rest of the land, if he goes ahead with his holiday homes idea or if it gets used for something else that he can make money on - is it a matter of public record what he has paid for the golf course ?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 8, 2016, 12:33:34
I think you are right. I assume it is based on the contract signed to use Calne for 3 years, plus the time it will take to put some basic facilities in. I'm hoping there is some provisional planning permission for artificial pitches, floodlights, out buildings etc otherwise it could be a very expensive piece of land with little development opportunity.

6 months notice needed on the existing facilities   

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/14254861.Town_complete_training_ground_deal/

In terms of planning, very easy to check online if the site has an address?

Edit :Already has consent for some holiday lodges

http://pa1.swindon.gov.uk/publicaccess/files/51A35AAC83CAEFC86E4B3DE0143B4AAD/pdf/S_14_0823--505712.pdf


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 8, 2016, 12:48:09
Interesting to see what he does with the rest of the land, if he goes ahead with his holiday homes idea or if it gets used for something else that he can make money on - is it a matter of public record what he has paid for the golf course ?

Was on the market for c.1.5m


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: ronnie21 on Monday, February 8, 2016, 13:09:44
did I imagine it out did he say it's a couple of years away yet..
My understanding is that they hope to make enough progress to have at least some pre-season training on there in July 2016.  The clubhouse presently there is being retained and converted/extended (subject to pp) so there will be somewhere for eating purposes after training.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 8, 2016, 14:18:21
that's good then!


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: suttonred on Monday, February 8, 2016, 15:47:25
Who's going to volunteer to drive up there every couple of weeks for progress reports then?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: ronnie21 on Monday, February 8, 2016, 16:08:29
Who's going to volunteer to drive up there every couple of weeks for progress reports then?
I doubt anybody would be allowed on there and there is a fairly high hedge along side the road, happy to have a look for SR!  Along that road at least twice a month and only live about 5 miles from it!


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: REDBUCK on Monday, February 8, 2016, 16:22:06
Anyone got a drone they can fly over the area every now and then


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: michael on Monday, February 8, 2016, 16:48:01
Tim Sherwood is building some horse stables there.

Source: Some geezer at the football.

Make of that what you will.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, February 8, 2016, 16:55:31
It's not the first time I've heard horse stables mentioned.

You're all free to make what you will out of that, also.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, February 8, 2016, 16:57:51
It's not the first time I've heard horse stables mentioned.

You're all free to make what you will out of that, also.

Yeah, you'd have thought a donkey sanctuary more appropriate....


Title: The training ground.
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 8, 2016, 17:02:54
I think if they build horse stables, they'll put horses in them.

or is that a CT too far?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, February 8, 2016, 17:27:14
I think if they build horse stables, they'll put horses in them.


You could be onto a game-changer there!


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 8, 2016, 17:42:20
fooled you, it's clearly a front to launder money.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, February 8, 2016, 17:52:17
Damn!


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Saturday, April 9, 2016, 17:42:37
Can anyone provide an update on this? Is there anybody from the area/drives past on a regular basis who knows if construction work etc has started?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, April 9, 2016, 19:40:39
All I've noticed is that the golf course is shut. Ain't been by there for about a month though


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: donkey on Saturday, April 9, 2016, 20:10:49
Yeah, you'd have thought a donkey sanctuary more appropriate....

That would be lovely, thank you.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: tans on Saturday, April 9, 2016, 20:14:01
All I've noticed is that the golf course is shut. Ain't been by there for about a month though

Nice house been built on the outside though ;)


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, April 9, 2016, 20:36:45
Power tower ?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: michael on Saturday, April 9, 2016, 20:46:18
Large parts of it were submerged when I went past a couple of weeks ago.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Mother Brown on Saturday, April 9, 2016, 22:37:16
Considering what has(allegedly) been tipped there in the past,once the topsoil has been scraped back there will be no need to install floodlights . . . the frecin place will glow in the dark.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, April 12, 2016, 13:09:41
http://pa1.swindon.gov.uk/publicaccess/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=O55PBGPT0EE00

planning applicaton for change of use on council website.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, April 12, 2016, 13:20:20
That'll piss on a lot of peoples wild conspiracy theories.

Although some fans are still unsure as to why we need a training ground.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 12, 2016, 13:36:02
http://pa1.swindon.gov.uk/publicaccess/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=O55PBGPT0EE00

planning applicaton for change of use on council website.

Application form includes Certificate A which states that the land is owned by the applicant - Swindon Town FC which would suggest that there is no obscure holding company associated with land holding?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 12, 2016, 13:44:31
That'll piss on a lot of peoples wild conspiracy theories.

Although some fans are still unsure as to why we need a training ground.
The training ground is just a cover. Actually, it's a secret underground base being developed so he (or rather his colourfully boiler-suited minions) can build his Massive Destruct-o-Ray Gun away from prying eyes until it is ready, then the "training ground" will roll back from the huge underground hatch which will open allowing the MDoRG to emerge glinting before a terrified world which will now be completely at Power's mercy. Bwahahahahahahah!!!

Or it's some kind of a property scam. One of the two, though, deffo.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, April 12, 2016, 14:06:25
Is Harry Agombar a minion now? That would make a lot of sense as a career move.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 12, 2016, 14:26:03
Is Harry Agombar a minion now? That would make a lot of sense as a career move.
Bit aspirational, maybe, for 'Arry. I reckon Milan Misun must be a senior commander (blue boiler suit with yellow trim, a la "Boca" away kit) though


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, April 12, 2016, 14:48:33
The training ground is just a cover. Actually, it's a secret underground base being developed so he (or rather his colourfully boiler-suited minions) can build his Massive Destruct-o-Ray Gun away from prying eyes until it is ready, then the "training ground" will roll back from the huge underground hatch which will open allowing the MDoRG to emerge glinting before a terrified world which will now be completely at Power's mercy. Bwahahahahahahah!!!

You could be onto something....it would fit in with my theory for Board activity or lack therof.....

 In the 1950's Swindon was sprayed by air with bacteria from Porton Down...this was because the MoD knew of aliens living amongst us, who would be vunerable to this form of germ warfare...unfortunately it was a typical 50's military cock-up. The aliens buried their craft under the CG pitch, during the war years, when the CG was under the disguise of being a PoW camp. The floodlights were built in 1960 to act as a transmitting marker buoy.

The ship needs the combined psychic power of 40,000 human brains to be in its immediate vicinity, to be activated, the aliens came close in the 70's, but have been thwarted on numerous occasions by the efforts of special forces. No coincidence that the last owner was called Black and was a shadowy figure at the CG, who no-one quite knew what his motivation was.

The latest alien plot...see Callum Rice, is to hold concerts at the CG in an effort to aggregate the necessary people.

Rikki Hunt, a prime mover in recent years also had a scheme which entailed setting up a network of muslamic rays over the Town, disguised as a wi-fi system, in order to brainwash people to attend the CG, it only failed due to the incompetence of his sidekick Blue.

The CG hosts the mother ship....there are others dotted around Wiltshire. See Cley Hill, Warminster for example...Waden Hill, Avebury....Merlin's Mount Marlborough.

Am I the only one who thinks it's strange that Power....mysteriously appears from time to time and then disappears again...maybe a wormhole. I mean has anybody ever seen him in "Switzerland"...thought not  :hmmm:


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, April 13, 2016, 12:04:23
"A full planning application for the wider site will be submitted in due course"

This is where Power will make his money back


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, April 13, 2016, 12:06:20
"A full planning application for the wider site will be submitted in due course"

This is where Power will make his money back
HOW DARE HE!


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Private Fraser on Wednesday, April 13, 2016, 13:37:55
"A full planning application for the wider site will be submitted in due course"

This is where Power will make his money back

He's going to build a theme park which will quickly eclipse Alton Towers and Chessington.  The first attraction at "PowerLand" will be a virtual reality area where visitors/customers will search (unsuccessfully) for Milan Misun.  :)


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 14, 2016, 09:41:04
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/14427097.Swindon_Town_hope_to_be_in_new_training_ground_by_July/


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 14, 2016, 09:55:47
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/14427097.Swindon_Town_hope_to_be_in_new_training_ground_by_July/

Hope they clear all the balls from the driving range before they move, could be lots of twisted ankles?  :D


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, April 14, 2016, 09:57:16
Was there much point buying a new training ground when players get 4 days off in a row anyway?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Thursday, April 14, 2016, 09:58:49
Pretty certain that doesn't happen every week does it


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 14, 2016, 10:01:09
Was there much point buying a new training ground when players get 4 days off in a row anyway?

Because it means that Power can stand there and ping golf balls at them if they don't run about enough!


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, April 14, 2016, 10:27:33
Was there much point buying a new training ground when players get 4 days off in a row anyway?

Power is buying it for himself. He is slowly reducing the club bit by bit. Swindon town is actually going to fall down.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Thursday, April 14, 2016, 14:20:38
I think the Adver can thank Theakston 2K for their latest news story!!


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, April 14, 2016, 16:37:29
I think the Adver can thank Theakston 2K for their latest news story!!
Looking at this forum, Twitter and Facebook has been about the limit of the Advers 'journalism' for the last couple of years.

Still can't believe the same old questions are being asked about why we actually need a training ground, the fact that we haven't always been able to use Calne makes it an obvious necessity surely?! Anyone know if Cassidy is going to be looking after the training ground as well once it's up and running?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Ells on Thursday, April 14, 2016, 16:41:41
I think the Adver can thank Theakston 2K for their latest news story!!

I tell myself every time not to read the comments and I go and do it anyway.  :suicide:


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Thursday, April 14, 2016, 16:59:40
Looking at this forum, Twitter and Facebook has been about the limit of the Advers 'journalism' for the last couple of years.

Still can't believe the same old questions are being asked about why we actually need a training ground, the fact that we haven't always been able to use Calne makes it an obvious necessity surely?! Anyone know if Cassidy is going to be looking after the training ground as well once it's up and running?
It's sad really. You think they'd have a small network of contacts around the town who could dripfeed them information now & again. It's no coincidence that you posted news of the planning application on here & a day later it's their main sports headline!


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 14, 2016, 17:02:34
Just think what other stories we can get printed in the Advertiser about cheese and manatees....


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Ells on Thursday, April 14, 2016, 17:03:45
Just think what other stories we can get printed in the Advertiser about cheese and manatees....

Hang on. I might have missed it, what's Williams' favourite cheese?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 14, 2016, 17:04:14
It's sad really. You think they'd have a small network of contacts around the town who could dripfeed them information now & again. It's no coincidence that you posted news of the planning application on here & a day later it's their main sports headline!

The sad thing was way before the media blackout from the club it was blindingly obvious that the Adver could rarely be bothered to send someone to cover the club and then they just grasped the 'ban' as an excuse to shunt the blame for their lack of interest onto the club, a position thart many fans seem to have accepted.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, April 14, 2016, 18:46:16
Hang on. I might have missed it, what's Williams' favourite cheese?

He doesn't like Cheese, he eats Manatees


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: suttonred on Friday, April 15, 2016, 21:03:04
Interesting on how much this cost, suspect we will be looking around the same.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36053095


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, April 16, 2016, 01:15:53
Interesting on how much this cost, suspect we will be looking around the same.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36053095

It'll be interesting to see how this pans out, but my suspicion would be that we'll be looking at nothing as grand as that.

Chucking money at it doesn't necessarily guarantee you anything...I went to Nene Park for reasons other than football, and it was a first class example of what a lower league club should aspire to, in terms of training facilites, community usage and development. However R and D are no longer in business.

I'd have thought as long as we've some grass that Luke can lob some cones on, Power will be happy.



Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: suttonred on Saturday, April 16, 2016, 01:25:46
You wont get championship quality with cones and a rutted pitch. I wont call you out for the down points, but Lp said he cant make nowt till the championship. The little darlings wont want to play and be covered in mud, therefore it should be a good facility (insert clever latin quotation here)


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, April 16, 2016, 07:19:00
Players won't give a shit about training facilities. They're interested in money and if they will get a game or not.
That said, a decent training facility is always a bonus.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Saturday, April 16, 2016, 07:48:31
Players won't give a shit about training facilities. They're interested in money and if they will get a game or not.
That said, a decent training facility is always a bonus.

Its better for youth development though.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, April 16, 2016, 08:02:06
Its better for youth development though.

Not necessarily. I don't think it will make much difference at all in that regard to be honest.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, September 10, 2019, 10:55:22
Looks like there is finally some movement, a whole suite of revised drawings and responses posted yesterday on the planning portal.

Looks like lots has been going on in the background on site with geo phys surveys and archaeological trenching works.

There's a useful document that they produced to show the community benefit of the training ground.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 10, 2019, 11:15:36
Looks like there is finally some movement, a whole suite of revised drawings and responses posted yesterday on the planning portal.

Looks like lots has been going on in the background on site with geo phys surveys and archaeological trenching works.

There's a useful document that they produced to show the community benefit of the training ground.

Not looked at any of that, however with my professional hat on,  the fact that the Council are letting them gather all this additional info without just refusing the applications after 12 weeks suggests to me the Council are quite keen on the idea.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, October 28, 2019, 07:08:35
Flogging a dead (race)horse?

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/17997163.setbacks-planned-6m-stfc-training-ground-complex-highworth/


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: tans on Monday, October 28, 2019, 08:00:07
Flogging a dead (race)horse?

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/17997163.setbacks-planned-6m-stfc-training-ground-complex-highworth/

I’ll believe this training ground when i see it, which i highly suspect we wont


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, October 28, 2019, 09:23:44
Flogging a dead (race)horse?

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/17997163.setbacks-planned-6m-stfc-training-ground-complex-highworth/

It sounds miles away from being given the green light doesn't it?



Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, October 28, 2019, 09:26:29
I’ll believe this training ground when i see it, which i highly suspect we wont
Doesn't it go to SBC for actual approval so this is more just an opinion piece. The comment about not having horses near football pitches is a bit bizarre as well so think this is just a local councillor having a moan.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, October 28, 2019, 09:49:44
Doesn't it go to SBC for actual approval so this is more just an opinion piece. The comment about not having horses near football pitches is a bit bizarre as well so think this is just a local councillor having a moan.

The Town Council are merely a consultee, the final decision is vested in SBC and their members/scheme of delegation, nothing to stop them approving despite a TC objection.

I had a scheme approved in Herts a couple of weeks back which went through despite a strong TC objection.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: RobertT on Monday, October 28, 2019, 13:14:58
From memory, hasn't SBC had to pretty much cave on every housing application in recent years due to not having sufficient new housing in their plan?  If so, HTC's objection on that one literally will be flogging a dead horse.  None of the objections outlined seem likely to prevent it, at worst maybe cause some tweaks.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: pauld on Monday, October 28, 2019, 13:59:53
I had a scheme approved in Herts a couple of weeks back which went through despite a strong TC objection.
Bully :)


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, October 28, 2019, 14:32:38
From memory, hasn't SBC had to pretty much cave on every housing application in recent years due to not having sufficient new housing in their plan?  If so, HTC's objection on that one literally will be flogging a dead horse.  None of the objections outlined seem likely to prevent it, at worst maybe cause some tweaks.

Dunno about the detail in Swindon, but if they cannot prove 5 year supply it brings the tilted balance into play!


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, October 28, 2019, 14:34:02
Bully :)

To be fair it goes both ways, a couple of houses were approved here in our village purely on the back of the applicant having close links to the PC who supported the scheme (rather overlooking the fact that it opens a massive precedent floodgate that every planner in Cumbria is now looking to exploit!)


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 08:50:10
Update sounds positive

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2019/december/training-ground-update/


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: pauld on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 08:59:39
Lee Power commented on the proposal’s current stage:

“We have worked effortlessly to secure planning for our development"

Think you might mean "tirelessly" Lee :)


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 11:54:42
Lee Power commented on the proposal’s current stage:

“We have worked effortlessly to secure planning for our development"

Think you might mean "tirelessly" Lee :)
To be fair they’ve changed it already 😂 Even website corrections are quick these days.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: pauld on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 12:10:55
To be fair they’ve changed it already 😂 Even website corrections are quick these days.
"We have worked pointlessly cluelessly uselessly hopelessly a lot to secure planning for our development"


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 12:30:20
I know it's low-hanging fruit, but did you see the adver's effort today?

Quote
Anderson’s didn’t feature in that game, he instead training on the astro-turf ahead of the Football League’s traditionally busy festive period.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/18110178.swindon-town-manager-richie-wellens-provides-injury-update-ahead-league-two-test-forest-green-rovers/


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: pauld on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 12:40:23
I know it's low-hanging fruit, but did you see the adver's effort today.
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/18110178.swindon-town-manager-richie-wellens-provides-injury-update-ahead-league-two-test-forest-green-rovers/
Good Lord. Have they started to get the Filipino exchange student to write stories now?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, January 17, 2020, 12:55:13
Looking online it still staggers along, the one (maybe) interesting thing is that the club appear to have sacked off their agent and its now a lass from the club engaging directly with the Council?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, January 17, 2020, 13:21:32
Looking online it still staggers along, the one (maybe) interesting thing is that the club appear to have sacked off their agent and its now a lass from the club engaging directly with the Council?
I’m sure Power said it goes before the the planning committee this month so maybe some progress soon, we’ll see.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, January 17, 2020, 13:28:01
I’m sure Power said it goes before the the planning committee this month so maybe some progress soon, we’ll see.

This months committee has gone, next is 11th Feb.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, January 17, 2020, 13:28:33
This months committee has gone, next is 11th Feb.
Ah ok. well obviously slipped again then.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Power to people on Friday, January 17, 2020, 16:20:01
Isn't Fraser Digby involved and acting as Power's mouse piece over it


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, January 17, 2020, 16:22:42
Isn't Fraser Digby involved and acting as Power's mouse piece over it

Its a lass signing all the paperwork coming out of the club, Amanda Loftus?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: pauld on Friday, January 17, 2020, 16:23:26
Isn't Fraser Digby involved and acting as Power's mouse piece over it
Mouse piece? WTF?  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Tails on Friday, January 17, 2020, 16:27:41
Isn't Fraser Digby involved and acting as Power's mouse piece over it

I personally think it's mice that Digby is allowed to be involved.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, January 17, 2020, 16:29:13
Mouse piece? WTF?  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Do we put this down to a typo, or is it a damp squid scenario?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: pauld on Friday, January 17, 2020, 16:42:47
I personally think it's mice that Digby is allowed to be involved.
Dunno, it could be a (mouse) trap


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Mother Brown on Friday, January 17, 2020, 18:00:01
Which will be completed first ?
The training ground.
Abbey stadium revamp.
Swindon snowdome.
Answers on a postcard, in a brown envelope to Cllr Gary Perkins . . .


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 4, 2020, 14:49:06
Not going to Committee in February, so next chance is now 10th March.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, February 4, 2020, 14:56:18
Any insights into what that might tell us?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 4, 2020, 15:09:16
Its going to be delayed at least a month?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, February 4, 2020, 16:09:12
Power said it was at the bottom of the pile of applications or something to that effect but once it gets rubber stamped it will progress quickly. So just more delays I guess.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 4, 2020, 17:01:52
Power said it was at the bottom of the pile of applications or something to that effect but once it gets rubber stamped it will progress quickly. So just more delays I guess.

From unpleasant experience going to planning committee is rarely a rubber stamping process! I suspect this is contentious as fuck in Highworth and thus the great and good will all want their say when it finally goes forward.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: ronnie21 on Tuesday, February 4, 2020, 19:04:22
On the phone-in tonight Wellens very gloomy about the current arrangements.  In recent weeks they have had to train at Hungerford, Melksham, Chippenham, Calne and Bisham Abbey.  Quicker they can get Highworth sorted the happier he will be.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Mother Brown on Tuesday, February 4, 2020, 19:21:15
Picked up on that as well
About time it was sorted.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Power to people on Friday, February 7, 2020, 16:19:28
That is one of the key things for a manager as well.

Not sure what is around for the club to use for training facilities until new ground get's approved


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 6, 2020, 14:00:24
Planning committee 10th March cancelled, so next chance the applications have is 14th April.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 6, 2020, 14:03:35
If it were me waiting for this personally, I'd be fucking apoplectic by now.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 6, 2020, 14:06:56
If it were me waiting for this personally, I'd be fucking apoplectic by now.

Its very rare for a planning committee to be cancelled, has Swindon got local elections coming up as that's the only reason I can think of?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: ronnie21 on Friday, March 6, 2020, 14:38:02
Its very rare for a planning committee to be cancelled, has Swindon got local elections coming up as that's the only reason I can think of?
Local elections in early May


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 6, 2020, 14:44:35
Local elections in early May

That's odd as I would expect it to bounce the April committee not the March one, so actually we may not get a committee until May or even June?

It may be that they hold a special committee for this application as its a biggy and controversial?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Leggett on Friday, March 6, 2020, 16:36:50
It's beyond a joke now...


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 6, 2020, 17:01:23
It's beyond a joke now...

TBF not sure what the background is but don't think this can be entirely laid at the feet of the club...


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Mother Brown on Friday, March 6, 2020, 21:03:48
Who would have the final yes or no for approval. Sbc, Highworth parish or North Wilts borough council ?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: RobertT on Friday, March 6, 2020, 21:37:40
SBC - Highworth have no say in the matter even though it is in their area and North Wilts have nothing to do with it at all.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Valid Pint on Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 05:49:39
Two pieces in today's Swindon Advertiser for information:

1. Tonight sees a meeting of Highworth Town Council to discuss the proposed Powerfork Ranch. It will be online at 7pm (BST for the disasporans on here). See highworthtowncouncil.gov.uk

2. SBC has cancelled all planning meetings for the rest of the year due to insufficient business to discuss. Although this is "likely to change".


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 09:09:20

2. SBC has cancelled all planning meetings for the rest of the year due to insufficient business to discuss. Although this is "likely to change".

How delightfully tin pot, if Swindon seriously doesn't have any development proposals that they can see needing to go committee between now and the end of the year then the borough is knackered!


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 09:37:22
Two pieces in today's Swindon Advertiser for information:

1. Tonight sees a meeting of Highworth Town Council to discuss the proposed Powerfork Ranch. It will be online at 7pm (BST for the disasporans on here). See highworthtowncouncil.gov.uk

2. SBC has cancelled all planning meetings for the rest of the year due to insufficient business to discuss. Although this is "likely to change".
Just looked at the agenda it covers everything; the equestrian facility, houses and the training ground. Don’t hold much hope for the meeting itself though as having witnessed a few planning meetings on zoom already they have all been a clusterfuck without exception.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Valid Pint on Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 17:45:26
HTC meeting is starting.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 19:08:58
Did anyone hear the result I got booted out of the zoom call due to tech issues?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 19:34:40
Did anyone hear the result I got booted out of the zoom call due to tech issues?

I didn't watch as what they conclude is broadly irreverent, however, I will make a guess that they object.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: tans on Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 19:35:00
Turned down apparently.

All aspects of it


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 19:37:57
Turned down apparently.

All aspects of it

As they cannot 'turn it down' any more than you or I can, as I say essentially irrelevant.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 19:38:37
Turned down apparently.

All aspects of it
Aren’t they pretty much irrelevant though and just a necessary step with SBC being the only decision that matters?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: tans on Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 19:41:13
I dont know, thats all i saw.

Be ages yet anyway


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 19:46:03
I dont know, thats all i saw.

Be ages yet anyway

Wasn't a dig at you, but in the big scheme of things their opinion matters as much as yours or mine!


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 20:08:05
Aren’t they pretty much irrelevant though and just a necessary step with SBC being the only decision that matters?

Yep, they have no authority when it comes to Planning matters.  They simply act as a sounding board and share their thoughts with SBC - who then pretty much ignore them.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 15, 2020, 12:21:29
I note that the club have submitted (and the Councillors advisors confirmed) that the residential element is not viable with full policy compliance which is pretty par for the course (no pun intended), most of the updated docs seem to relate to the horse facility application, but again this seems technical rather than substantial.

Looking at the Council's agenda from yesterday it seems to be some manner of re consultation comment, which as next to nothing has changed on the revised site plan submitted seems something of an irrelevance as nothing will have changed since their earlier objection of late 2018. I suspect that the Council have been seeking additional supporting technical evidence which has now been provided so not a great deal has actually changed.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, July 15, 2020, 13:14:10
Yep, they have no authority when it comes to Planning matters.  They simply act as a sounding board and share their thoughts with SBC - who then pretty much ignore them.

The problem is that Power is just too small time..... we've seen recently how it is done, with Jenrick, the Housing Minister and Desmond pornographer and ex owner of Express, throw the Tories a few grand, and go to a few fundraisers, and get the Minster to change his own decision, thus saving yourself 45 mill in tax.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 01:17:39
HTC meeting is starting.

Did you watch it? Was it as good as you hoped it to be? They launched some good phones in the last few years.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 08:26:42
Don’t hold much hope for the meeting itself though as having witnessed a few planning meetings on zoom already they have all been a clusterfuck without exception.

Have been meaning to ask..... Why?

I do it for a living and thus have to attend them, but avoid them like the plague unless I have to.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 08:28:50
The problem is that Power is just too small time..... we've seen recently how it is done, with Jenrick, the Housing Minister and Desmond pornographer and ex owner of Express, throw the Tories a few grand, and go to a few fundraisers, and get the Minster to change his own decision, thus saving yourself 45 mill in tax.

I hate to say it as I know it doesn't suit the narrative but planning really isn't as corrupt (or interesting) as people like to think it is, which is why Jenricks peculiar actions are getting so much publicity.

And as I know you like facts  ;) he didn't change his own decision and it wasn't a tax saving :D


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 08:52:18
I hate to say it as I know it doesn't suit the narrative but planning really isn't as corrupt (or interesting) as people like to think it is, which is why Jenricks peculiar actions are getting so much publicity.

And as I know you like facts  ;) he didn't change his own decision and it wasn't a tax saving :D

 Local council’s community infrastructure levy (CIL), to the tune of 45 mill is considered to be a "tax"

 To clarify he changed the decision of his department and then seemingly changed his own decision on changing his department's decision.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 09:15:44
Local council’s community infrastructure levy (CIL), to the tune of 45 mill is considered to be a "tax"

Well it ain't, if you want its Sunday name its a planning charge, with its foundation in planning legislation, one of the major problems with it is that its established and administered by planning professionals who often don't understand matters such as viability and also don't have the skill set to deal with the legal framework behind it.

As for the decision its within his gift, what has been interesting is the hands on approach he seems to have adopted with this and many many other cases which is much more proactive than his predecessors.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 09:19:42
Have been meaning to ask..... Why?

I do it for a living and thus have to attend them, but avoid them like the plague unless I have to.
Just for work, one was to do with planning permission for a new O&G extraction site and the Councillors just embarrassed themselves, one Councillor had his wife sat next to him on Zoom and she was telling him how to vote, others weren't even in front of the camera when presentations were being made. At the end they didn't even know what they were voting as the chairperson did a motion for rejection rather than acceptance so it took about 3 different attempts before they voted correctly. It was recommended to be approved by planning officers so the Councillors were asked to provide their reasons for rejection but other than saying they don't like oil they couldn't give any. They then got given 30 minutes to go away and think of reasons and still couldn't give any so had another vote and still rejected it. It's now being investigated by the monitoring officer and the council still haven't released the reasons for rejections.

These Zoom meetings just play into the hands of NIMBY Councillors and makes the planning system even more of a shambles than normal.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 09:27:40
Well it ain't, if you want its Sunday name its a planning charge,

What is the semantic differnce between a planning charge and a tax?   I guess in your world you had the Community Charge while most of the rest of us had the Poll Tax.



Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 09:30:50
What is the semantic differnce between a planning charge and a tax?   I guess in your world you had the Community Charge while most of the rest of us had the Poll Tax.



Oh whatever, you know best.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 09:34:31
Just for work, one was to do with planning permission for a new O&G extraction site and the Councillors just embarrassed themselves, one Councillor had his wife sat next to him on Zoom and she was telling him how to vote, others weren't even in front of the camera when presentations were being made. At the end they didn't even know what they were voting as the chairperson did a motion for rejection rather than acceptance so it took about 3 different attempts before they voted correctly. It was recommended to be approved by planning officers so the Councillors were asked to provide their reasons for rejection but other than saying they don't like oil they couldn't give any. They then got given 30 minutes to go away and think of reasons and still couldn't give any so had another vote and still rejected it. It's now being investigated by the monitoring officer and the council still haven't released the reasons for rejections.

These Zoom meetings just play into the hands of NIMBY Councillors and makes the planning system even more of a shambles than normal.

Oh extraction kit applications, I used to love those ones in the Tesco's days!

TBH that sounds very similar to most planning committees zoom or not, refusals against officer recommendation are always fun (the appeals are even better! except when you are the poor sod at the council who recommended it for approval and are now trying to justify why it was refused), especially when you have the Councils legal bods sat with their heads in their hands while they try to come up with reasons that stand up to the legal tests.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 09:43:16
Oh extraction kit applications, I used to love those ones in the Tesco's days!

TBH that sounds very similar to most planning committees zoom or not, refusals against officer recommendation are always fun (the appeals are even better! except when you are the poor sod at the council who recommended it for approval and are now trying to justify why it was refused), especially when you have the Councils legal bods sat with their heads in their hands while they try to come up with reasons that stand up to the legal tests.
The best thing about this particular one is that a few months ago a similar refusal was overturned and found to be rejected illegally and council were ordered to pay £350k in costs. As a result of this a member of the councils legal team stated in the meeting that they need to accept this application or they are going to get taken apart in court as there are no legal reasons for rejection yet they still rejected it. Shows how little concern these people have about tax payers money.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 16, 2020, 10:01:37
The best thing about this particular one is that a few months ago a similar refusal was overturned and found to be rejected illegally and council were ordered to pay £350k in costs. As a result of this a member of the councils legal team stated in the meeting that they need to accept this application or they are going to get taken apart in court as there are no legal reasons for rejection yet they still rejected it. Shows how little concern these people have about tax payers money.

Par for the course, years back we acted for a developer who had, through the local plan process, got a policy included within the local plan that basically made the form of development they specialised in policy compliant.

From recollection, I think it took 5-6 refusals against officer recommendation, appeals and clobbering the council for costs until they finally heeded the advice from their legal officer that its basically impossible to refuse a policy compliant scheme and successfully defend at appeal.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, October 3, 2020, 04:35:59
Looks like Mr. Power is going to get the go ahead to cut the first sod on the new long overdue training ground, though there appears to be no mention of the proposal for a small number of private dwellings in article.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/18767589.6m-town-training-centre-one-step-away-approval/


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, October 3, 2020, 06:03:35
Looks like Mr. Power is going to get the go ahead to cut the first sod on the new long overdue training ground, though there appears to be no mention of the proposal for a small number of private dwellings in article.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/18767589.6m-town-training-centre-one-step-away-approval/

Surely if Power were to allow the Highworth FC teams to use the facilities he would get a lot of brownie points


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, October 3, 2020, 06:36:23
Surely if Power were to allow the Highworth FC teams to use the facilities he would get a lot of brownie points

I thought that there was a provision for the local community to use the TG but there were caveats that we’re seen as unreasonable by HT.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, October 3, 2020, 06:40:33
I thought that there was a provision for the local community to use the TG but there were caveats that we’re seen as unreasonable by HT.

You would think Power would want this resolved sooner rather than later as the saying goes time is money!


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Saturday, October 3, 2020, 07:11:53
You would think Power would want this resolved sooner rather than later as the saying goes time is money!

And Power doesn’t have a bottomless pit.
Expecting issues to come out of the woodwork around ownership. It hasn’t gone way.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, October 3, 2020, 07:46:33
My initial reaction was ‘Where the fuck is the £6m coming from’


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, October 3, 2020, 08:03:14
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
My initial reaction was ‘Where the fuck is the £6m coming from’

exactly. especially now.

that's not even a dig, it just seems unrealistic in the climate


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, October 3, 2020, 08:07:38
It was going to be funded by the proposed residential housing on the site. That looks dead in the water.

So we’ll end up with permission to build a training centre but have no money with which to do so.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: tans on Saturday, October 3, 2020, 08:21:21
Jeds mate Geordie the builder of Town End bar fame is building the training ground for a tenner


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, October 3, 2020, 08:25:01
And Power doesn’t have a bottomless pit.
Expecting issues to come out of the woodwork around ownership. It hasn’t gone way.


There's always a sting in powers tail!


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Richie Wellen-Dowd on Saturday, October 3, 2020, 08:31:52
It was going to be funded by the proposed residential housing on the site. That looks dead in the water.

So we’ll end up with permission to build a training centre but have no money with which to do so.

How much is the horse training facility likely to be worth? Maybe Taylor Curran's dad is going to fund it.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, October 6, 2020, 08:05:24
It was going to be funded by the proposed residential housing on the site. That looks dead in the water.

So we’ll end up with permission to build a training centre but have no money with which to do so.

Housing scheme is not dead in the water, Council still seeking further information which the club continue to provide, the Council noting that it will come to committee in due course.

The suggested Conditions for the training ground include one banning the use of whistles on the 4G pitch after 1900 in the evening!


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, October 6, 2020, 20:06:13
I am hearing that permission for the training ground has now been passed.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, October 6, 2020, 20:45:27
I am hearing that permission for the training ground has now been passed.
Same, gonna be interesting to see if this progresses. I suspect it will wait until permission for the houses is received.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 08:23:42
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/18774997.swindon-towns-plan-6m-training-complex-highworth-approved-council/


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 08:25:24
Went to committee last evening along with the equestrian facilities (both recommended for approval by the officer), no indication on line as yet as to whether it was approved or not.

No date yet for the housing to go to committee and as undoubtedly that is what will be funding the training ground cannot see anything happening until that is determined one way or the other, consents will last 3 years so plenty of time for now.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 08:29:40
All I know is that
Went to committee last evening along with the equestrian facilities (both recommended for approval by the officer), no indication on line as yet as to whether it was approved or not.
Is exactly that not confirmed by the Adver article?

Quote
Club owner Lee Power's application for a purpose-built complex on the old Twelve Oaks Golf Club site in Lechlade Road was approved last night by Swindon Borough Council’s planning committee.

It will also include top-class training facilities for racehorses.
?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 08:33:58
All I know is that Is exactly that not confirmed by the Adver article?
?

I think posts crossed, I was only going on what the Councils website said and its way too early for any minutes on there, but happy days if the Adevr are reporting it..


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 08:44:40
I think posts crossed, I was only going on what the Councils website said and its way too early for any minutes on there, but happy days if the Adevr are reporting it..
I was told this last night by an employee of the football club too as they had already been told the outcome.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 08:50:03
Let's get building then.

Fuck knows where the money's coming from, though.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 09:04:01
I was told this last night by an employee of the football club too as they had already been told the outcome.

Public meeting so anyone who attended knows the outcome as the club spoke at committee understandable they were there and would share the good news amongst the staff, just takes a while for the Council to update their paperwork online.

Can possibly see some highways work being done to implement and thus protect the permissions in perpetuity but nothing tangible until either the houses are approved or AN Other comes forward to fund the bloody thing, just illustrates the state of football, the £6m cost would be pocket money for PL/Championship clubs.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 09:05:22
the £6m cost would be pocket money for PL/Championship clubs.
Absolutely, about a months wages for Gareth Bale.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Leggett on Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 09:10:51
Excellent news, let's hope there's positive progress from here on!


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 14:52:02
I was told this last night by an employee of the football club too as they had already been told the outcome.
PV I understand that it was common knowledge that the planning officers had stated that they would approve, just needed the committee to go along with it.  Just one vote against.  Could have been costly for SBC if the committee had gone against the recommendations of the planners - they have already got their fingers burned over in the South Marston area


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Valid Pint on Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 19:14:05
How much is the horse training facility likely to be worth? Maybe Taylor Curran's dad is going to fund it.

The Highworth Chaparrall?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 19:42:14
The Highworth Chaparrall?

Oddly, you’re growing on me.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 20:02:14
Oddly, you’re growing on me.

Like a Fungal infection?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 21:11:29
And Power doesn’t have a bottomless pit.
Expecting issues to come out of the woodwork around ownership. It hasn’t gone way.


Court dates are late November this year.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 05:13:33
The Highworth Chaparrall?

A Bonanza time for Highworth then?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 12:14:34
Court dates are late November this year.

I am expecting a new name to come into the arena.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 12:16:11
I am expecting a new name to come into the arena.

Something you've heard, or just a hunch?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 12:25:30
Hoss Cartwright?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 12:55:45
Something you've heard, or just a hunch?

If nothing else I assume that Gary Barry can now come out of the shadows since his retirement?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 13:08:38
If nothing else I assume that Gary Barry can now come out of the shadows since his retirement?

He has a net worth of about 10 million according to wiki, so not really enough for a club the size of Swindon. Although he'd no doubt know enough wealthy people to put a consortium together.

That's if he even wants to, of course.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 13:29:43
He has a net worth of about 10 million according to wiki, so not really enough for a club the size of Swindon. Although he'd no doubt know enough wealthy people to put a consortium together.

That's if he even wants to, of course.

That sounds very low for a player who has had such  along career at or near the top, albeit who knows, that would suggest he put 8% of his net worth into the club with no paper trail which is rather trusting!

Likewise does Standing represent anyone apart from Barry as if not assume he would be free as well.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 13:43:24
Quote from: TheDukeOfBanbury
Quote
Court dates are late November this year.
I am expecting a new name to come into the arena.

Curran snr?
one of the krays?
jedward?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: tans on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 13:48:38
Yeah just say it if you know rather than keeping people on tenterhooks


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 14:09:30
I am expecting a new name to come into the arena.

I would have thought so. Think Power will happily walk away as long as he doesn’t end up out of pocket and gets his way with the Highworth training facility, remember he said he will tie the club to it under a peppercorn rent scheme.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 14:12:55
It's always been about the money for him - he's made no secret about that.

And I'm fine with that, provided the club is safe. His financial ambitions may even turn out be beneficial for us.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 15:18:36
So is Curran related to the horse trainer or the Curran that owns Curran Packaging in Essex?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 15:35:02
So is Curran related to the horse trainer or the Curran that owns Curran Packaging in Essex?

Horse Trainer


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 15:39:12
Very old article but would be a big coincidence if it wasn't this Curran.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/horseracing/42157/Jewell-backs-a-winner-at-last

Also Curran has a yard in Highworth. The new facilities in the training base would seem to work for Power and Curran in that case!


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 15:51:34
Very old article but would be a big coincidence if it wasn't this Curran.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/horseracing/42157/Jewell-backs-a-winner-at-last

Also Curran has a yard in Highworth. The new facilities in the training base would seem to work for Power and Curran in that case!


Curran still trains a fair few of Powers Hosses.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 16:03:39
Can’t imagine a horse trainer having oodles of spare cash to chuck into a football club.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 16:05:36
Very old article but would be a big coincidence if it wasn't this Curran.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/horseracing/42157/Jewell-backs-a-winner-at-last

Also Curran has a yard in Highworth. The new facilities in the training base would seem to work for Power and Curran in that case!

Thats not Currans dad but he may well be related, his dads name is John apparantly and is managing director of Curran Trading Ltd in Braintree.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 17:02:58
Something you've heard, or just a hunch?

Heard but won’t go into detail. May be a rumour but not sure.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 17:04:17
I am expecting a new name to come into the arena.

Curran snr?
one of the krays?
jedward?

None of these thankfully.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 17:05:13
Horse Trainer

Don’t think so.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Valid Pint on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 21:23:23
None of these thankfully.
Billy and Louie?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 22:14:37
Heard but won’t go into detail. May be a rumour but not sure.

Why even mention it if you don’t want to go into details?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Richie Wellen-Dowd on Friday, October 9, 2020, 05:53:55
I realise it's frustrating but I can see there are times when it's best not to go into details. It could lead back to someone or in some circumstances jeopardise a potential deal. Personally I'd rather hear something might be happening without details, than hear nothing at all.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: DiV on Friday, October 9, 2020, 06:19:05
Why even mention it if you don’t want to go into details?

Because without the detail then anything that does happen can be met with the smug ‘told you so’ ‘I knew it’ so on and so forth.



Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Richie Wellen-Dowd on Friday, October 9, 2020, 06:30:49
Not quite the same as transfer rumours though is it, like pre-season when it's clear we need to sign about a dozen players and you can follow clues in the press. Could just be a punt on someone having been waiting for the planning consent though, so you could be right.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: pauld on Friday, October 9, 2020, 11:24:12
Because without the detail then anything that does happen can be met with the smug ‘told you so’ ‘I knew it’ so on and so forth.


tbf the Duke isn't an ITK Chang-alike, he has a good track record of actually knowing what's going on. If he can't say any more it will be for a very good reason


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, October 9, 2020, 12:26:51
Why even mention it if you don’t want to go into details?
Because I can’t.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, October 9, 2020, 12:28:30
tbf the Duke isn't an ITK Chang-alike, he has a good track record of actually knowing what's going on. If he can't say any more it will be for a very good reason

Exactly that and no other reason.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: tans on Friday, October 9, 2020, 13:05:18
Is your inkling good or bad


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 9, 2020, 13:13:14
I get you can't say without exposing the source.

but as per Tans, good or bad??


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: DiV on Friday, October 9, 2020, 13:47:12
tbf the Duke isn't an ITK Chang-alike, he has a good track record of actually knowing what's going on. If he can't say any more it will be for a very good reason

No, he isn’t but if he can’t say anything concrete (and I can fully understand why he can’t) then why say anything at all.

It amounts to nothing more than a playground style ‘I know something you don’t know’


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, October 9, 2020, 13:57:10
No, he isn’t but if he can’t say anything concrete (and I can fully understand why he can’t) then why say anything at all.

It amounts to nothing more than a playground style ‘I know something you don’t know’

I know the guy and if he's dropping hints take note as he's definitely in the know and a very reliable scourge of information


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: DiV on Friday, October 9, 2020, 14:12:36
I know the guy and if he's dropping hints take note as he's definitely in the know and a very reliable scourge of information

I’ve not said otherwise have I

Yes, he’s in the know but he never puts us in the know.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, October 9, 2020, 14:16:12
I’ve not said otherwise have I

Yes, he’s in the know but he never puts us in the know.

I wasn't knocking you just saying from my perspective he's worth listening to


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, October 9, 2020, 16:15:28
Listening to what? He hasn't fucking said anything


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, October 9, 2020, 16:41:53
Listening to what? He hasn't fucking said anything


No that's everything he says ends up on a forum


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 09:28:49
Bump

Seems he has the go-ahead now https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19073260.town-owner-power-gets-green-light-horse-training-complex-golf-course-site/

I am hoping this is what he was holding out for before fucking off


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 09:36:29
I suspect he needs approval for the houses to fund it/make his money.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 09:48:40
Houses application goes to planning committee for determination at 6pm this evening, I assume anyone interested can watch the planning committee do its democratic thang online.

Officer recommendation is for approval and I cannot see anything on a brief scan of the Officers Report tying the houses to the training ground.

I suspect that if this passes we may see a departure!


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: tans on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 10:26:30
Anyone going to watch the link and share some screens?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 10:29:08
Houses application goes to planning committee for determination at 6pm this evening, I assume anyone interested can watch the planning committee do its democratic thang online.

Officer recommendation is for approval and I cannot see anything on a brief scan of the Officers Report tying the houses to the training ground.

I suspect that if this passes we may see a departure!

Why can’t it be 7pm!


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 10:39:37
I am hoping this is what he was holding out for before fucking off
This.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 12:26:11
Houses application goes to planning committee for determination at 6pm this evening, I assume anyone interested can watch the planning committee do its democratic thang online.
After recent events, please tell me it's not a Zoom call


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 12:44:54
Bump

Seems he has the go-ahead now https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19073260.town-owner-power-gets-green-light-horse-training-complex-golf-course-site/

I am hoping this is what he was holding out for before fucking off

So is this horse racing trainer, Sean Curran, any relation to our favourite centre back?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 12:47:15
So is this horse racing trainer, Sean Curran, any relation to our favourite centre back?

I don't think he is.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 12:49:00
Why can’t it be 7pm!

No idea, lots of planning committees seem to have changed from 7pm to 6pm post covid.

After recent events, please tell me it's not a Zoom call

It will be some sort of online platform, no idea what SBC use. There were a fair few cases  of similar disruption to committee meetings at the start of the lockdown, not heard of any recently.

I assume the link on here will become live prior to the meeting? http://ww5.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=281&MId=10404&Ver=4

So is this horse racing trainer, Sean Curran, any relation to our favourite centre back?

It has been suggested that he is Currans old man albeit others suggest that Curran senior is some sort of packaging magnet.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 13:13:29
No idea, lots of planning committees seem to have changed from 7pm to 6pm post covid.


I meant so we could watch something instead of the game haha


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 13:35:06
Good news if it goes ahead. Not only because it increases the prospect of a new training ground, but the prospect that we’ll make progress with respect to the ownership situation. The land becomes more valuable, he can sell it to a developer, and potentially use funds from that to settle with Standing.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 13:57:37
Good news if it goes ahead. Not only because it increases the prospect of a new training ground, 

Not entirely convince that it will, I had assumed that the Council would try in some way to link the training ground and houses application so that the houses could not be built unless the training facility was provided. I have not read the committee report in any detail, but from a scan it looks like the houses permission (if granted) will be unfettered by any such tie, so in theory Power can sell the housing site with permission for a tidy profit, build his stables and sack off the training ground.

Unless he can manage to tie the club down to a hefty rental for the training ground before he sells, I don't really see how it makes economic sense to build it for him, especially if he is trying to get out.

As noted earlier, I do wonder/hope that getting the most lucrative part of the scheme passed may accelerate his departure.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 13:59:51
So is this horse racing trainer, Sean Curran, any relation to our favourite centre back?
This seems to have been comprehensively dismissed on Twitter, including by people who know Sean Curran


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 14:10:34
Not entirely convince that it will, I had assumed that the Council would try in some way to link the training ground and houses application so that the houses could not be built unless the training facility was provided. I have not read the committee report in any detail, but from a scan it looks like the houses permission (if granted) will be unfettered by any such tie, so in theory Power can sell the housing site with permission for a tidy profit, build his stables and sack off the training ground.

Unless he can manage to tie the club down to a hefty rental for the training ground before he sells, I don't really see how it makes economic sense to build it for him, especially if he is trying to get out.

As noted earlier, I do wonder/hope that getting the most lucrative part of the scheme passed may accelerate his departure.

You'd hope a new owner might see the value in the plot and the fact that the building permission has already been granted - and choose to go ahead and complete it themselves. Maybe it will be included as part of any deal - no doubt Power will be wanting to shift that land unless he has other plans for it.

But that all depends on the wealth and plans any new owners might have.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 14:27:35
Hell of a coincidence though isn't it.

It's 'a bit' of a coincidence, but not one that stretches the realms of plausibility.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 14:40:26
You'd hope a new owner might see the value in the plot and the fact that the building permission has already been granted - and choose to go ahead and complete it themselves. Maybe it will be included as part of any deal - no doubt Power will be wanting to shift that land unless he has other plans for it.

But that all depends on the wealth and plans any new owners might have.
That’s how I see it. Power builds his houses and stables and sells off the portion, supposedly, set aside for the training ground.

He’d be a cunt of the highest order if he signs the club up to future leasing of the training facility at an extortionate rate.

Presume said facility would have actually be built before he could tie the club to renting it.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 15:20:45
That’s how I see it. Power builds his houses and stables and sells off the portion, supposedly, set aside for the training ground.


Having given it some thought, I wonder whether he may actually be playing a rather longer game to squeeze even more value out of the site....


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 15:42:37
Be interesting to see how/when he funds the start of this. Presume it’s all dependent on the housing permission.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 15:53:15
Be interesting to see how/when he funds the start of this. Presume it’s all dependent on the housing permission.

The only real value in the site (as it stands) is the housing permission, there is however a possible further value if he bides his time and plays clever, as noted above will depend on how long he can play for and put in up front.


Title: The training ground.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 16:00:15
Quote
Having given it some thought, I wonder whether he may actually be playing a rather longer game to squeeze even more value out of the site....
and how does he do that?

or do you mean the 'rent it to the club' idea


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 16:22:13
and how does he do that?

or do you mean the 'rent it to the club' idea

Without going into detail (I ain't giving him free planning advice!!) the principle of development has now been established on both the training ground and stables site, whilst if the housing is passed the principle of sustainability has been established on the housing site. Opens a whole new range of opportunity in planning policy terms.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 16:43:42
Assume the houses will come first, then he will build the stables and then will build a new training facility with any money left over.

Wasn't the planning permission for the training round all done by stfc (wasn't Fraser Digby involved somewhere), does that mean anything in terms of ownership ?

If power buggers of sometime soon for e.g. and the training ground is being built and he decided to offer the club a contract at a much higher rate than the pepper corn rent he mentioned I wonder if there will be anything legally that the club can then say we are not interested in a training ground at those costs.

Then would power be able to put anything else there if the planning permission says training ground or would it just be a field for the horses to crap over ?



Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 16:45:25
Be interesting to see how/when he funds the start of this. Presume it’s all dependent on the housing permission.
Power is by no means short of money.

He just refuses to throw any more money to finance STFC knowing he wants out.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 16:47:08
Then would power be able to put anything else there if the planning permission says training ground or would it just be a field for the horses to crap over ?



I would imagine he would have to put in an application for change of use if the other planning permission requirements had been granted.

I think?  :hmmm:

Horlock will obviously know for certain.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 16:47:52
Wasn't the planning permission for the training round all done by stfc (wasn't Fraser Digby involved somewhere), does that mean anything in terms of ownership ?


Nope, I could apply for planning permission to build a house in your garden, and as long as I served legal notice on you to say I was submitting the application thats the only planning consideration!

Then would power be able to put anything else there if the planning permission says training ground or would it just be a field for the horses to crap over ?

See my post above yours. I would suggest that the training ground use is sui generis and thus he would need to apply for PP again for something else as there is no PD change of use available, but the principle of development stands and if he builds it potentially it becomes Previously Developed Land which opens a whole new world up.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Samdy Gray on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 17:05:35
I assume that if permission is granted, Power can fairly easily get a developer/funder to front up the money for the development work for both the houses and the training ground on a profit share basis.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 17:17:22
I assume that if permission is granted, Power can fairly easily get a developer/funder to front up the money for the development work for both the houses and the training ground on a profit share basis.

Yep, albeit I would be amazed if Power didn't just flip the housing site to a developer rather than having the ball ache of building out, selling etc etc.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: ron dodgers on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 18:09:28
blimey,this is boring


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: ron dodgers on Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 18:56:42
granted, but I'm not sure how they managed it by the casting vote by the chair ( he gets 2 votes one as him and one as the chair??)


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 10, 2021, 09:11:40
blimey,this is boring

Welcome to the world of planning committees...

granted, but I'm not sure how they managed it by the casting vote by the chair ( he gets 2 votes one as him and one as the chair??)

Its normal for the chair to have a casting vote if votes are tied, sounds like it was a close thing though.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: ron dodgers on Wednesday, February 10, 2021, 12:31:28
7-7 , I think the chair didn't fancy an appeal ( and he's a season ticket holder).


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 10, 2021, 12:59:16
7-7 , I think the chair didn't fancy an appeal ( and he's a season ticket holder).


Just out of interest did he have to declare an interest at the start of the meeting?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: ron dodgers on Wednesday, February 10, 2021, 13:19:17
erm , sort of , he asked the council officer at the start, who didn't think it was a problem.
Is it comparable with having a case of Aldi wine under the stairs when deciding their planning permission (bought and paid for, obviously)


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, February 10, 2021, 14:10:59
Just out of interest did he have to declare an interest at the start of the meeting?

It would be a pretty tenuous "interest" though.  The application for planning was in no way directly related to how good Swindon are to watch on a weekend.  In fact, some could argue holding a season ticket to be a sort of punishment.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 10, 2021, 14:17:29
It would be a pretty tenuous "interest" though.  The application for planning was in no way directly related to how good Swindon are to watch on a weekend.  In fact, some could argue holding a season ticket to be a sort of punishment.

But possibly related to keeping the club alive. FWIW I think he did right to mention it to avoid it becoming an issue.

I could argue this either way, would depend if I were acting for the applicant or an objector....  ;)


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: tans on Thursday, February 11, 2021, 09:40:49
Interesting that the club has to pay 600k for affordable housing as part of the planning.

Why the club?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 11, 2021, 09:43:32
Interesting that the club has to pay 600k for affordable housing as part of the planning.

Why the club?

Wasn't the application made in the name of the club?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, February 11, 2021, 09:47:45
Is it the club or Swinton reds?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 11, 2021, 09:51:34
Interesting that the club has to pay 600k for affordable housing as part of the planning.

Why the club?

A commuted sum to offset no affordable housing being provided on the site very normal practice, will be within a legal agreement between the applicant (STFC) and the council, where the money actually comes from is pretty irrelevant insofar as Power is the Club and the Club is Power.

Cannot access the application documents at the moment (the website is broken), but from recollection yes the applicant was STFC and they also signed certificate A suggesting that the applicant was the owner of the site.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, February 11, 2021, 10:08:41
If the application is made in the name of the club, I assume there's no way to separate that £600k liability from the planning permission itself? i.e. Power couldn't transfer the land and permission to another company controlled by himself without also transferring the £600k?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, February 11, 2021, 10:13:12
If he tried to shift the 600k onto the club then any potential buyers would need to agree to that extra cost if they do decide to go ahead.

Otherwise, he'd be lumbered with a club he apparently doesn't want.



Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 11, 2021, 10:22:06
Is it the club or Swinton reds?

Fair question, hopefully Horlock can answer when the website returns.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 11, 2021, 10:26:56
If the application is made in the name of the club, I assume there's no way to separate that £600k liability from the planning permission itself? i.e. Power couldn't transfer the land and permission to another company controlled by himself without also transferring the £600k?

As noted above who's name the application is made in is pretty irrelevant as the land can be sold with planning permission to just about anyone (and the associated s.106 reassigned), likewise as Power is the owner of STFC, Swinton, Seekbeck etc nothing to stop him parking it where ever he likes really.

I am still of the opinion that I would be very surprised if Power develops the housing site, whilst the returns are greater it introduces a whole new level of risk and uncertainty into proceedings, whilst borrowing is cheap (and for one he has a decent asset here that he can borrow against), the house market is rather uncertain at the moment. My gut feeling is he will flog the housing site on and just take the cash, probably do the horsey bit but no idea about the training ground.

If he tried to shift the 600k onto the club then any potential buyers would need to agree to that extra cost if they do decide to go ahead.

Otherwise, he'd be lumbered with a club he apparently doesn't want.


If he shifts the £600k liability to the club that would include shifting the housing site to the club which is worth a fair wodge of cash so it would actually make the club more attractive.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, February 11, 2021, 10:29:32

If he shifts the £600k liability to the club that would include shifting the housing site to the club which is worth a fair wodge of cash so it would actually make the club more attractive.

Good point.

Potentially more attractive to the wrong type of investor, but that doesn't change what you say.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 11, 2021, 10:36:56
Hust to add to what I said, the other thing is that if he chooses to develop the returns come in 12-36 months, if he sells with planning the returns come much quicker. Might be in best interest to get site flipped before any sale or court decisions are sorted out.

As for ownership the key will be whose name is on the land registry title documents rather than who planning applicant is (albeit the Cert A situation could be murky), I don't have access to Land Registry docs without paying for them, perhaps JBZ QC of this parish has such access?

Council website is still FUBAR. 


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: JBZ on Thursday, February 11, 2021, 11:33:46
Joe Public can get title entries from Land Registry. You can search by address or title number if you have that.

Both public and professionals have to pay a fee of £6 for the register and title plan.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, February 11, 2021, 11:36:12
Isn't it £2 a go though?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: JBZ on Thursday, February 11, 2021, 11:37:23
Isn't it £2 a go though?

£6 usually if you get the plan as well


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 11, 2021, 11:38:02
Joe Public can get title entries from Land Registry. You can search by address or title number if you have that.

Both public and professionals have to pay a fee of £6 for the register and title plan.

I know, I just don't want to have to pay for it. Perhaps we could do a crowd funder!


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, February 11, 2021, 11:43:19
I'll get the titles and get Lee Power to pay for it!


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 11, 2021, 11:44:36
I'll get the titles and get Lee Power to pay for it!
We should make Mexico pay for it!


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, February 11, 2021, 11:49:49
Can't we get Sean Curran's dad to pay for it?


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 11, 2021, 12:00:18
Quote from: jayohaitchenn
I'll get the titles and get Lee Power to pay for it!

just get the £6 straight from Standing/Barry, it's easier in the long run


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Thursday, February 11, 2021, 19:25:12
I must say I enjoyed the Cheltenham fan attempting to take one of the planning officers to task earlier on Twitter and getting dismantled with ease!


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, February 11, 2021, 19:28:44
Ahh, Crusty Cob? What a knob he is, and not a Dorset one either.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 12, 2021, 09:31:43
I must say I enjoyed the Cheltenham fan attempting to take one of the planning officers to task earlier on Twitter and getting dismantled with ease!

It wasn't a Planning Officer he was spouting bollocks at, it was the Chair of the Planning Committee.


Title: Re: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Benzel on Monday, February 15, 2021, 10:37:07
I must say I enjoyed the Cheltenham fan attempting to take one of the planning officers to task earlier on Twitter and getting dismantled with ease!
I saw that. Guarantee he'll still think he came out on top.

Sent from my CLT-L09


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Power to people on Monday, February 15, 2021, 13:42:51
That guy talks such utter bollox - I've blocked him on twitter & fb as I got fed up seeing his name and his comments, thinks he knows everything, total twat.


Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Tails on Monday, February 15, 2021, 14:04:41
I saw that. Guarantee he'll still think he came out on top.

Sent from my CLT-L09

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Title: Re: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Benzel on Monday, February 15, 2021, 18:06:25
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https://twitter.com/Kozzy78/status/1359814336496173062?s=19


Didn't see this one at the time

https://twitter.com/TimSwinyard/status/1359822553892737024?s=19

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Title: Re: The training ground.
Post by: Nemo on Monday, February 15, 2021, 18:13:09
I love the suggestion that you could deny planning permission because the applicant was "a bit dodgy". There wouldn't much building work done...