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[MichaelLandon]

More to do with race than class. And anyone who can't see that is a major factor has their head in the sand.

So what is it about their race that makes them more loot loving? Again chicken and egg. I know where i stand on the matter

[Eric Sabins Barn Door]

More to do with race than class. And anyone who can't see that is a major factor has their head in the sand.

Having seen the images race is majorly involved, but its the class as well. Which one of the rioters said on the news "middle classes wont understand our plight" so its a mixing pot of both

[Batch]

Surely a Joke

http://twitpic.com/63k6tg

[MichaelLandon]

Having seen the images race is majorly involved, but its the class as well. Which one of the rioters said on the news "middle classes wont understand our plight" so its a mixing pot of both

I'd agree with that, but my point is the middle class black and asian people aren't rioting. IF race was involved surely they'd be down smashing some windows.

[MichaelLandon]

Surely a Joke

http://twitpic.com/63k6tg

Don't know how i feel about that.

MIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL that is an annoying chant

[Eric Sabins Barn Door]

I'd agree with that, but my point is the middle class black and asian people aren't rioting. IF race was involved surely they'd be down smashing some windows.

Im not saying its one or the other as that is clearly a nonsense. It just happens that race is clear to see but its not a race issue at all. Its mostly socio economic and idiots wanting a laugh

[herthab]

So what is it about their race that makes them more loot loving? Again chicken and egg. I know where i stand on the matter

I'm not saying black people are genetically predisposed to looting and rioting, all I'm saying is there seems to be a very large number of them involved.

This is why a debate like this is pointless. There are loads of factors involved: race; class; society in general; the list goes on and on.

But at the end of the day, what they are doing is wrong. And they know it is. The problem is they don't give a fuck.

[MichaelLandon]

Im not saying its one or the other as that is clearly a nonsense. It just happens that race is clear to see but its not a race issue at all. Its mostly socio economic and idiots wanting a laugh

soapy tit wank yea i know sorry i was trying to agree with you there. You're right

[MichaelLandon]

I'm not saying black people are genetically predisposed to looting and rioting, all I'm saying is there seems to be a very large number of them involved.

This is why a debate like this is pointless. There are loads of factors involved: race; class; society in general; the list goes on and on.

But at the end of the day, what they are doing is wrong. And they know it is. The problem is they don't give a fuck.

Yea I know it's true. Right now the who what where aren't importnat I suppose just needs to be stopped. Said it earlier but i think the worst is over now (i hope) the number of police down there has more than doubled. But i do enjoy debating these kind of issues it's normally quite interesting but i do get carried away so by bad for that.

[MichaelLandon]

A mate in north London just told me "the spurs firm are walking up towards the town centre"  also against the looting apparently http://lockerz.com/s/128116001

[Nemo]

There's something terribly ironic in Football Hooligans against mindless violence. Difficult to condemn them all the same.

[MichaelLandon]

There's something terribly ironic in Football Hooligans against mindless violence. Difficult to condemn them all the same.

soapy tit wank very true. Again though not sure if this is good or bad but kind of feels like fuel on the fire. Violence breeds violence etc

[jonny72]

I'm not saying black people are genetically predisposed to looting and rioting, all I'm saying is there seems to be a very large number of them involved. This is why a debate like this is pointless. There are loads of factors involved: race; class; society in general; the list goes on and on.

I didn't think there was a high proportion of black people involved, given that I presume more of the population in those areas is black. If anything those involved seem pretty representative of the make up of the local populations.

The one thing that they do all have in common is that they are lazy low life scum who blame society for their problems rather than accept the fact they they are the problem. I get sick of hearing all the do gooders saying things like the Police don't work with the community enough and similar shit that I and most other people have never had either.

[london_red]

There's something terribly ironic in Football Hooligans against mindless violence. Difficult to condemn them all the same.

Fully agree on both counts.

[ghanimah]

Spot on. The wet lefty's dont realise that rampant immigration hurts the lowest social bands of the incumbent society most.

Absolutely right - I've stood in local elections, general elections and knocked on 1000s of doors in years of political campaigning right across the country and the only subject that ever gets raised on the doorstep is immigration. Not MP's expenses, not the economy, not other worries - always immigration. In northern towns and cities particularly immigration concerns are depressingly relentless.

And it's not racism that fuels this but genuine concerns regarding the impact on schools (3 teacher translators in a classroom for example), housing and benefits. Labour during their last term in office dumped on their working class voters - many a plaster, plumber, electrician was put of business because they simply couldn't compete with immigrants who significantly undercut them - and could afford to. The comments by Gillian Duffy came as no surprise to anyone who took part in the 2010 election

When I helped leaflet in Barnsley in the last by-election our women helpers were shown a map of which areas to avoid because they would get physically attacked for not wearing a burkha.

Many a northern town is a tinderbox waiting to go up, I'm surprised it hasn't before.