Bit of a hoo-haa down in london

[pauld]

To be honest Paul its blatantly obvious that the majority of the protesting students have been caught up with idiots who have other agenda's.
Why not protest outside the lib dems offices...it was them who stirred all this up

Good point. And, as I keep saying, how come Labour are getting off so lightly? They brought the things in in the first place. And swamped the unis with students who probably shouldn't be there

[pauld]

Ha ha - thing is Paul that Nurses are basically on the same pay grades as Midwives - so they are fat cats too

Teachers pay starts at £21k and rises up to £32k - and this is without becoming head, deputy, head of house etc......

All in all for working half a year it seems bloody loads

Pay and stop moaning !!

If you're seriously trying to argue nurses are coining it in, well, just blimey.

Incidentally, I assume by the same logic you also think 6th formers should pay for their education via loans as well?

[Samdy Gray]

I'm not a student, I'm not particularly fond of student types and don't want to defend them. But, the value of a degree today is a mere fraction of its worth say 10 years ago.

Has anybody (without a degree) tried looking a job lately? So many employers are asking for a degree as the most basic of requirements for even the simplest roles. Seems like if you haven't got a degree these days you're only fit to scrub toilets and flip burgers... well maybe not to that extent, but you get the picture.

Add to that the massive hike in fees and I'd be pretty miffed too.

[sheepshagger]

If you're seriously trying to argue nurses are coining it in, well, just blimey.

Incidentally, I assume by the same logic you also think 6th formers should pay for their education via loans as well?

Not really understanding your logic Paul ?

A nurse follows exactly the same pay scale as a Midwife - they start on £21k and can go up a lot....

No, 6th form should be free.  After all the plumbers and electricians of this world will also need some time at college when they leave school. So as they are all in together us oldies can pay for them until they are 18 (i.e. left school for 2 years).  After that it becomes a pure choice thing for me - therefore they should pay for the privilege.....

[DMR]

I'm not a student, I'm not particularly fond of student types and don't want to defend them. But, the value of a degree today is a mere fraction of its worth say 10 years ago.

How the fuck would you know? Are you a recruitment consultant?

Your first point is completely contradictory to your second one. Make your mind up.

[Simon Pieman]

It's a bit of a contradiction to say plumbers and electricians need free education when they earn more than most people.

[sonicyouth]

I'm not a student, I'm not particularly fond of student types and don't want to defend them. But, the value of a degree today is a mere fraction of its worth say 10 years ago.

Has anybody (without a degree) tried looking a job lately? So many employers are asking for a degree as the most basic of requirements for even the simplest roles. Seems like if you haven't got a degree these days you're only fit to scrub toilets and flip burgers... well maybe not to that extent, but you get the picture.

Add to that the massive hike in fees and I'd be pretty miffed too.

Most of the jobs I were looking at asked for more specific qualifications (i.e. MCSE/CCNA etc) rather than a degree.

[Samdy Gray]

How the fuck is that contradictory?

And it doesn't take a genius (discounting you obviously, Dave) to realise a degree isn't worth as much these days.

[DMR]

How the fuck is that contradictory?

And it doesn't take a genius (discounting you obviously, Dave) to realise a degree isn't worth as much these days.

You said a degree's not worth much... but you can't get a look in anywhere without one. So yes, that's quite the contradiction.

I don't really care what you think tbh Sam, you're clearly pretty one-eyed in your view towards students and Uni etc, each to their own but it doesn't half make you sound bitter.

Give me 5 years and I'll give you a job, don't worry.

[sheepshagger]

It's a bit of a contradiction to say plumbers and electricians need free education when they earn more than most people.

Not at all Si - I said ALL kids should get the first 2 years after they leave school for free - regardless of whether they want to become Plumbers, Sparks, Teachers, Nurses or Brain Surgeons !

[Samdy Gray]

Aww, is ickle David a little upset that I said bad things about you and your student chums? Diddums.

I said a degree is not worth as much. I'm generalising, but I'm pretty sure that 10 years ago a degree in business or something similar would've got you a fairly nice job in a junior management position or something similar. Take that same degree today and you're looking at trainee pencil pushing.

[Nemo]

Bit of a generalisation Sam (although this whole thread is full of little else), I can see where you're coming from but all degrees are not exactly equal, even in the same subject. Graduate from a top Uni and you're still pretty much set, but a Swimming Pool, less so.

[Simon Pieman]

Not at all Si - I said ALL kids should get the first 2 years after they leave school for free - regardless of whether they want to become Plumbers, Sparks, Teachers, Nurses or Brain Surgeons !

What's the difference with degrees? Not arguing, I'm just struggling to see the point other than what you're happy to fund as a tax payer. Though like my prior post puts it, I'm paying back far more than took from the Government and I wouldn't consider my salary to be near the top of the pay scale for someone who got their degree 4 years ago.

[Lumps]

Ha ha - thing is Paul that Nurses are basically on the same pay grades as Midwives - so they are fat cats too

Teachers pay starts at £21k and rises up to £32k - and this is without becoming head, deputy, head of house etc......

All in all for working half a year it seems bloody loads

Pay and stop moaning !!

If you think that a salary scale of £21k to £32k makes you a "fat cat" you're seriously out of touch. The average salary at the beginning of the year was about £28k, and is now about £26k. So most of the people on that scale will earn an average salary.

[herthab]

Most of the jobs I were looking at asked for more specific qualifications (i.e. MCSE/CCNA etc) rather than a degree.

If you take as much care writing CV's as you do on here it's no fucking surprise you struggled.