Bit of a hoo-haa down in london

[Coca Fola]

If you take as much care writing CV's as you do on here it's no fucking surprise you struggled.

What's wrong there? He's using the present subjunctive were.

[DMR]

Aww, is ickle David a little upset that I said bad things about you and your student chums? Diddums.

I'm devastated tbh, I dote on your every word x

[sonicyouth]

What's wrong there? He's using the present subjunctive were.

No, I were just careless.

Bad grammar costs lives.

[pauld]

Not really understanding your logic Paul ?

A nurse follows exactly the same pay scale as a Midwife - they start on £21k and can go up a lot....

No, 6th form should be free.  After all the plumbers and electricians of this world will also need some time at college when they leave school. So as they are all in together us oldies can pay for them until they are 18 (i.e. left school for 2 years).  After that it becomes a pure choice thing for me - therefore they should pay for the privilege.....

It's a choice at 16. Plumbers/electricians etc are choosing to stay in education/training so they can gain a skill and eventually earn considerably more than those feather-bedded nurses. To use your own standards, why should I pay for that? And why should Crispy and his fellow trolley-pushers who've chosen to get stuck straight into work instead of faffing about for a further two years subsidise these workshy future fatcats?

[sheepshagger]

This is obviously where it is subjective....

All I said was my personal opinion is that we should have the same rules for all - first 2 years regardless what you do at "college" after leaving school should be free - as I said my opinion.

After that if you want more qualifications then pay towards it - it really is as simple as that for me.

I don't think that is too controversial - it's just my opinion

I think all education should be free up to and including A level standard (or equivalent). 

Lumps - I don't think they are Fat Cats at all !!  I was "quoting" Paul as it was actually him who made that statement, not me !!

[pauld]

I was taking the piss!

Fair enough, SS, it's a coherent opinion and well set out. Guess we just draw the line differently as to where the benefit to society stops and becomes more benefit to individual. Although I keep coming back to the point made by I think pretty much everyone in this thread that it might all be a bit less of a debate if Blair hadn't stuffed the universities with his "everyone should have a degree, no matter how pointless" approach as the whole thing would be a lot more affordable.

[sheepshagger]

Totally agree Paul - Blair has an awful lot to answer for - not just fucking up the education system

I am finding myself getting more conservative as I get older - I'm not sure it's a good thing but my tolerance levels have almost gone altogether

[pauld]

I am finding myself getting more conservative as I get older - I'm not sure it's a good thing but my tolerance levels have almost gone altogether

I'm finding the same with my bladder

[Ardiles]

I am finding myself getting more conservative as I get older - I'm not sure it's a good thing but my tolerance levels have almost gone altogether

My tolerance levels are also taking a bit of a hammering.  (Bladder's OK for now though, thankfully.)  Is a normal thing...youthful idealism starting to drain away when you're confronted with the realities of middle age?  I think I'm still more liberal than most, but I've also noticed a shift.  Give it 10 years and we'll all be reading the Daily Mail, discussing house prices and noting how that Ironside fella was misunderstood all along.  It's a dark, distopian vision of the future, that's for sure.

[sheepshagger]

Tell me about it !

Bladder's been on the way out for years to be honest - but I am finding myself wanting to have people hung drawn and quartered for some things !

[Reg Smeeton]

My tolerance levels are also taking a bit of a hammering.  (Bladder's OK for now though, thankfully.)  Is a normal thing...youthful idealism starting to drain away when you're confronted with the realities of middle age?  I think I'm still more liberal than most, but I've also noticed a shift.  Give it 10 years and we'll all be reading the Daily Mail, discussing house prices and noting how that Ironside fella was misunderstood all along.  It's a dark, distopian vision of the future, that's for sure.

I find the reverse....today's youth are more or less devoid of any political thought...other than the occasional Daily Mail knee jerk.

Whereas all the most committed lefties I know are well into middle age...

According to the stats, it's erectile dysfunction you need to worry about

[Phil_S]

I was taking the piss!

Fair enough, SS, it's a coherent opinion and well set out. Guess we just draw the line differently as to where the benefit to society stops and becomes more benefit to individual. Although I keep coming back to the point made by I think pretty much everyone in this thread that it might all be a bit less of a debate if Blair hadn't stuffed the universities with his "everyone should have a degree, no matter how pointless" approach as the whole thing would be a lot more affordable.

Totally agree Paul.

[Batch]

I think pretty much everyone in this thread that it might all be a bit less of a debate if Blair hadn't stuffed the universities with his "everyone should have a degree, no matter how pointless" approach as the whole thing would be a lot more affordable.

Personally I won't let anyone without a degree cut my hair shine my head.

[Cookie]

People without degrees have been proven to be genetically inferior.

[jayohaitchenn]

People without degrees have been proven to be genetically inferior.

Think that's dungarees isn't it?