Georgia vs. South Ossetia & the Russians

[Gazza's Fat Mate]

Georgia form what I have read started it. Not the best idea Georgia has eg 100 tanks russia 8000 hmmmmmm not the best idea to pick a fight with them! Stuiped twats for starting it all over some worthless shit bit of land populated by russian anyway.

[Samdy Gray]

According to Sky News (not the most reliable of sources, I know), Russian troops are on their way into Triblisi.

[michael]

Well done to Georgia for awakening the orrible beast that is Russia. We are all fucked now.

We need Bush Jr more now than ever before, and he's on his way out. What are the odds!

[herthab]

Well done to Georgia for awakening the orrible beast that is Russia. We are all fucked now.

We need Bush Jr more now than ever before, and he's on his way out. What are the odds!

Please tell me you're joking.

[SwindonTartanArmy]

interesting post from a conspiracy theorist on another board....

Tom Clancy, Ghost Recon Video Game From 2001

Have the Illuminati once again made known to us what was going to happen before it actually happened?

Civil unrest in Russia in August 2008- Lucky guess?
U.S. clandestine support of rebel factions in Georgia- Lucky guess?
Specifically cites South Ossetia War in 2008- Lucky guess?
The U.S. clandestine forces “Ghosts” are deployed in Ossetia to silence the rebellion - Lucky guess?
U.S. Ghosts battle South Ossetian rebel forces from the north of Georgia.
Russian government eventually sends in their army to aid the South Ossetian rebels - Lucky guess?

Tom Clancy’s wife second wife Alexandra Marie Llewellyn (26 July 1999 - present) is the niece of Colin Powell; as of 2001, Tom Clancy reportedly was worth over USD $190 million.

[wheretherealredsare]

Been away for a while so catching up ...

WRRA can I just ask are you in Russia?  You tell us not to listen to what we are being told but are you not doing the same in Russia?  South Ossetia is part of Georgia isn't it, so Georgia obviously doesn't really want some military leader deciding that S.O. will soon become independent from Georgia.

Quite why the ruskies have come in heavy handed to "liberate" SO, and quite blatently on SO's side, I'm not sure.

(I am being devil's advocate here fella - just trying to understand what's going on really).

Yes I live in Kazan about 750kms east of Moscow. I said beware of misinformation Jan, not don't listen. As for myself I have the benefit of seeing and hearing both sides of the coverage either directly through the media here or online for the west perspective. Being closer to the action, and having contacts in the affected area, I can assure you that the media coverage is heavily biased in favour of the Russian version or the western/Georgian version as the case may be. Ignoring the obvious propaganda effect, the Georgian story is full of inaccuracies and untruths.

Lumps post above should answer your other points.

I'm certainly not an expert on the area, but it does seem as if all sides are to blame in part.  It looks as if this is a part of a much wider power struggle between Russia, which is trying to maximise its influence in the area, and the US together with a number of states bordering Russia (Georgia, Azerbaijan etc.) which are trying to minimise it.  He started it, no she did...we'll never really know.  It doesn't really matter...it was going to flare up anyway some time soon.

wheretherealredsare's - promise I'm not having a pop, but your earlier posts sound very biased towards Russia.  I simply don't accept that a complex dispute like this can be as black & white as your posts suggest.

Not taken as a pop because I fully accept on this issue I am in the Russian camp. Whilst it is indeed a complex dispute the cause of so many deaths and so much destruction in this current outbreak of hostilities is down to the Georgian leadership. I believe that many things will come out into the open, hopefully sooner rather than later, that will show the Georgians for what they really are.

[leefer]

Well explained RED...the georgians knew they were in trouble when they went ware they wasnt invited,fair enough,but surely strikes on military positions,TV stations or even government buildings would have shown Russian intent,but again its the innocent population ie woman and children that bare the brunt,surely if they can put a man on the moon 30 years ago they can bring a relatively small nation like Georgia to book without acting like soldiers from Attilla the Huns regime....not that the Russians care but it dosnt look good over here Red.

[wheretherealredsare]

Firstly leefer, it's not that the Georgians went uninvited since they were already there as part of the multi-national peace keeping force in an area that, although wanting independence, is officially part of Georgia. However they decided to forget about peace keeping and attacked and destroyed most of Tskhinvali only hours after agreeing to an end to aggression and further talks to try and resolve the dispute. Secondly, following the Georgian killings of Russian troops in the peace keeping force and the innocent population in Tskhinvali, the Russians entered South Ossetia to stop the Georgian attack and drive them out of South Ossetia. Military positions outside South Ossetia which were being used in the offensive against Tskhinvali were attacked by Russia. Thirdly, the Georgian troops were the ones acting like soldiers from Attilla the Hun's regime committing atrocities against civilians in their initial attack.

I don't suppose it is meant to look good over there ... I wonder why that is?

[leefer]

Thats fair enough drive them out of South Ossetia,no probs with that,but driving into Georgia attacking randomly and basicly terrorising innocent people dosnt look good because we can see it Red....its not made up,woman and children shot bleeding,no homes left,hospitals bombed,it dosnt look good because its ugly and the same old boring drivel is comingout of BOTH sides mouths...its there fault they started it!....and while the generals play silly playground games we all know who suffers.Basicly Red Russia is a continent and and if they cant resove a problem like this without resorting to this kind of thuggery god help us.

[wheretherealredsare]

So. it's presented to you over there as Russia driving into Georgia attacking randomly etc ...and you can see women and children shot ... no homes ... hospitals bombed. Of course it doesn't look good, especially when you find out that those scenes are from the Georgian attack on Tskhinvali. CNN got duped first and it appears to have spread. As I said before I believe that many things will come out into the open, hopefully sooner rather than later, that will show the Georgians for what they really are.

[stfctownenda]

So. it's presented to you over there as Russia driving into Georgia attacking randomly etc ...and you can see women and children shot ... no homes ... hospitals bombed. Of course it doesn't look good, especially when you find out that those scenes are from the Georgian attack on Tskhinvali. CNN got duped first and it appears to have spread. As I said before I believe that many things will come out into the open, hopefully sooner rather than later, that will show the Georgians for what they really are.

Whilst I appreciate you can see both sides I think you are being very small minded, you are painting it in exactly the way the Russians are portraying it over there that they rode in on a horse and saved there countrymen and peacekeepers.  Sorry I don't buy that, attrocities have been commited on both sides here, Georgia were foolish for starting something that was never going to get a succesful outcome for them but the way the Russians have acted 'the punnishment has not fitted the crime'.  Refugees from both sides are sharing stories with the media of rapes, murders and tortured by Russian, Georgian and Ossetian Troops.  There is no black and white, both sides in the wrong for sure, time for the Russians to leave Georgia, give the breakaway regions a referendum on whether they want to seperate and then at least for the time being a fragile peace will be restored.

[Bogus Dave]

haha

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Aq.L.SW9Tx779NCiQ1ZFM3IjzKIX;_ylv=3?qid=20080815084448AA0uMXU

[Leggett]

i watched 2 stealth bombers taking off from fairford yesterday at about 3ish, i started getting very worried, thinking it was all kicking off.

[Phil_S]

Strikes me that the Russians are using the same excuse as Saddam Hussein used when he "liberated" Kuwait.

[Lumps]

Strikes me that the Russians are using the same excuse as Saddam Hussein used when he "liberated" Kuwait.

Rather than the ones the US and UK used when they "liberated" Afghanistan and Iraq presumably?