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« Reply #30 on: Monday, March 17, 2008, 23:40:28 » |
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I never really believed anything until a couple of years ago when I became a Christian. Sounds really clichéd and all that but it genuinely changed my life and my whole view on the world
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« Reply #31 on: Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 00:14:35 » |
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at times iv wished that i believed something in light of family tragedies and what not, it must make that sort of thing easier?
i still think its absolute bollocks though, the lot of it.
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« Reply #32 on: Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 00:25:08 » |
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Religion is fiction. Always was always will be.
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« Reply #33 on: Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 08:12:26 » |
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In all likelyhood, Religion was invented by man to give them hope of life after death. And also to be used by those in charge to control the population (10 commandments, etc).
Though it's not for me, the average religious person is generally well intentioned.
However nations, extremists and even the church have done a lot of bad in the name of religion. Wars, crusades, etc, etc.
Some 'religions' are hilarious (e.g. scientology). I also find the US evangelists hilarious, but that is a bit different as they are in effect robbing from the poor.
So the question is, would the world be better off without religion. Or is man so fucked up that all the bad stuff done in the name of religion religion simply be transferred to some other excuse to start a war, kill savages, etc?
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« Reply #34 on: Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 08:53:56 » |
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I never really believed anything until a couple of years ago when I became a Christian. Sounds really clichéd and all that but it genuinely changed my life and my whole view on the world I too am a christian, real glad someone else said they were as well. Faith is a difficult thing to explain but previous experiences and feelings have made me convinced there is a god and there isn't a person alive who could make me think different. FWIW all this sceptical stuff in hear saying religion is about power / war and ways of controlling people is utter rubbish. Most religions are peaceful and just choose to live a certain way, they mean no harm to other races or people. Its a stereotype to group them in the same bracket as extremists. |
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sheepshagger
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« Reply #35 on: Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 09:21:50 » |
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Sorry Townenda but that is just not true.....
Christians and Catholics - Power maniacs over the centuries who started war after war after war - all in the name of GOD - The crusades etc....
Muslims - Again being used by the power crazy radicals to try and change the world to their way of thinking - completely controlling.....
When you say most religious believers are peaceful you are probably correct - however they sit under the same "tree" as the extremists. If they were that peaceful, then surely they would move away from the bracket they have been put into.
Religion is all about control - however you look at it and from whatever religion (with the possible exception of Buddism). Your religious leaders control you and tell you what you are and are not allowed to do, and what you should and should not believe, by quoting from the fairy story that is the bible and other religious books - however the same book contradicts itself at so many different points yet this is simply brushed aside by the religious leaders....
Please excuse my "ramblings" but I feel quite strongly about this - I am all for someone being able to "cling" onto something if it helps him/her through their life - nothing wrong with that at all - but lets not pretend it is anything more than a nice fairy tale - just like Pixies, Dragons, Giants and Elves are....
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« Reply #36 on: Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 09:45:02 » |
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Sorry Townenda but that is just not true.....
Christians and Catholics - Power maniacs over the centuries who started war after war after war - all in the name of GOD - The crusades etc....
Muslims - Again being used by the power crazy radicals to try and change the world to their way of thinking - completely controlling.....
When you say most religious believers are peaceful you are probably correct - however they sit under the same "tree" as the extremists. If they were that peaceful, then surely they would move away from the bracket they have been put into.
Religion is all about control - however you look at it and from whatever religion (with the possible exception of Buddism). Your religious leaders control you and tell you what you are and are not allowed to do, and what you should and should not believe, by quoting from the fairy story that is the bible and other religious books - however the same book contradicts itself at so many different points yet this is simply brushed aside by the religious leaders....
Please excuse my "ramblings" but I feel quite strongly about this - I am all for someone being able to "cling" onto something if it helps him/her through their life - nothing wrong with that at all - but lets not pretend it is anything more than a nice fairy tale - just like Pixies, Dragons, Giants and Elves are.... I'm not going to get too into this as I feel it is something people can argue on all day long but I will address your points above. The Crusades were a long long time ago and you will note in recent times christians have not started many wars only people who claim to be religous and these are not for any religous gain they are more for greed whether it be oil, land or power. Most muslims distance themselves from extremists and are also generally a peaceful religion happy to live amongst those who do not share there beliefs. Christian leaders do not tell us what to do or how to act, there are commandments in place which people have to try to follow but there isn't a person alive who is perfect and can follow all these. We in the western world have so much ourselves that we lost our way with religion alot because we have rarely had to want for anything, we have houses, food and jobs where as countries that have little clutch to the hope and faith that there is something that can help them. On a personal level my life has been so much better since I became a christian and as originally said there is no one alive who could convince me otherwise. I will not comment on this thread again as I said its one people could argue on constantly. |
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« Reply #37 on: Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 09:48:49 » |
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As a whole though, in the past 2000 years or so, religion has played a major part in fucking up this world of ours. I am not religious so not offended by this, but that statement always makes me laugh. Yes, religion has caused a lot of war and death. But seriously, what do you think this world would be like if the inhabitants of it had no belief, no faith, no inner peace? A lot worse than it is now, is the most probable answer. |
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« Reply #38 on: Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 09:57:40 » |
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If everyone was buddhist then yeah, that would be the case. Would it be worse now? Not by a long way imo. For 1000's of years religion ha been used as a tool to brainwash people, and victimise others
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« Reply #39 on: Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 10:01:41 » |
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No-one knows though, do they?
So saying that the world is a whole lot worse now because of religion, is a totally redundant argument.
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« Reply #40 on: Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 10:11:05 » |
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I wonder if people argue about religion in the afterlife. At this rate I expect so
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sheepshagger
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« Reply #41 on: Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 10:42:48 » |
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Fair enough townenda - you have your beliefs and fair play to you for that....
I have mine and it is just something that we will never agree on - there are just too many contradictions in the bible for me...and too many people who use religion as a "whipping stick" to try and brainwash the masses....
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« Reply #42 on: Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 10:45:20 » |
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Of course no-one knows, and we might be alot worse off now than we are . A lot of the ills that have happened in history have had religous motives behind it though
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« Reply #43 on: Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 11:15:14 » |
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FWIW all this sceptical stuff in hear saying religion is about power / war and ways of controlling people is utter rubbish. Most religions are peaceful and just choose to live a certain way, they mean no harm to other races or people. Its a stereotype to group them in the same bracket as extremists.
Sorry if I offended you. I was referring mainly historically, but the fact remains there have been some nasty things done, and still being done in the name of religion, or as persecution against other faiths. As I said, the everyday religious person is generally well intentioned and are far removed from these things. Would these bad things be done anyway? No way of knowing. |
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« Reply #44 on: Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 11:22:00 » |
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If there was no religions all those wars would of happened because of some other reason . It annoys me that people blame religion for everything . Too many people use it as a excuse for criminal activity these days as it’s the easiest option .
Imo if someone can lead a better life and want to help others just because they have a little belief then fair play to them
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