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...................... and when he is released on parole in 5 years time, do the cunt !


That is all

he looks like a wholesome member of society

he looks like a cunt to me

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what a shame the defence came out with this, can you imagine trying to defend someone who's done something like this?

Cunts like this should just be executed. Simple as.

Strange person that's for sure, always was a bit weird, but I think he will be got at when he comes out anyway...people will know when he's out.

Thing is he shouldn't be released in 5 years time should he ? I agree with Melksham Red, but failing that throw the key away. Third best option is castration.

This guy is some weird sexual deviant who offers nothing to society and is a constant drain on the system. I don't care what his issues are or what his past is. Hang the cunt. He won't be missed. The world would be a better place without scum like this. This sick fuck will be out in 5, fucking disgraceful.

If you read the article it says he can only apply for parole in 5. I doubt he'd be released that soon.

I'm against the death penalty, but it's very hard to defend it's absence in cases like this. However, I am not confident enough in our justice system to ever be in favour of execution.

irrelevant

I say just give the parents 5 minutes in a room with him.

Mmmmmm, you have thought that with regards to that nutter who mudered those French Students.

The problem I have with the death penalty is that if there is a miscarriage of justice you could be hanging the wrong person.
By the same token, it does have a number of advantages like they would never be able to reoffend, we wouldn't have to keep them in prison saving money & space for other criminals.

put the fucker down,like an out of control animal

Retribution and revenge are not justice. I say give him a choice, life in prison/mental hospital (and i mean life) or voluntary chemical castration.

What's justice got to do with it? It's also about taking a dirty fucking dangerous scumbag out of society and making all of ours lives alot safer.

I don't think he wants to rape you. You're not a 10 year old girl are you?

No but it's the way we treat these dirty fucking  scummy blots on society in general. Peados, rapists, murderers, muggers, burglars etc - they all get off far too lightly in my opinion.

I'm always suspicious of those who loudly proclaim the violent retribution they'd like to bring down upon peados. It always seems to be an angry response to some sort of cognitive dissonance on the subject.


 

Melksham Red - fair enough if you think these people are dealt with too lightly.

Flammable Ben - I agree that we need to move on from snap emotional reactions to this and as a society attempt to actually understand and have a proper discussion on the issue if we are ever to make real progress on this. It does sometimes seem to be people trying to outdo each other at who can have the most outraged reaction or hate paedos the most.

The problem with Prison these days is that prisoners can be freed to reoffend. This has happened all too often lately. So the answer is either life MUST mean life or execution would prevent reoffending.
Castration would be an option but one type of castration relys on the subject continuing to take tablets It isn't permanent.

i think offenders should be able to pay for their crimes and then be re-introduced back to society.
that said,there are crimes where i dont think that is fair on the victims.peados cannot be cured of their sick minded ways,and i dont think we should have to pay for their keep in secure units.therefore they should be put to sleep.

The death penalty would actually waste more resources I reckon. You'd have extra court and legal costs involved with the appeal, re-appeal and continuation of trials. Look at the states, inmates can spend years and years on death row, it's not as cut and dry as people may think.

Whilst paedophilia is quite clearly a mental disorder, they should clearly know the difference between right and wrong.

I disagree. If a scummer has to rape a child, woman or man, murder for his own satisfaction, set foot in someones house and steal their hard earned belongings, mug some old granny in the street for a fiver or whatever else sick crimes there are, they can fucking hang as far as i'm concerned.
Rehabilitation my arse.
Fuck it I'm moving to Singapore.

Of course, there is no crime in Singapore.

very little actually

Melksham rehabilitation should be a option for offenders but only in cases of theft etc. Many people have turned their lives around and that would not happen if they were inside all their lives. As for rapists murderers then they deserve whatever comes to them. Violence may not be the answer but im sure the victims familys would rather that than try understand the problem. Why would you want to understand that shit. Sorry if that makes you suspicious

Because DRS if you understand something you have a better chance of dealing with it. In Silence of the Lambs Jodie Foster's character Clarice Starling interviews Hannibal Lecter in order to gain an insight into the serial killer Buffalo Bill. She then manages to find him and rescue the girl he is keeping in a pit in his house. Are you saying she should still be in that pit??!!


(or imagine this substituted for a more appropriate real life example  :D)

i can't see death as a punishment - when facing life in prison, wouldnt death be a release?

admittedly not quite so relevant in this case...

Sorry Spy - why do we need to try and "understand" what was going on in that sicko's head ?

I don't want to know, society doesn't need to know.

All we need to know is that the cunt is guilty, and for what he did there is ONLY one course of action that is right - snuff out any life that is still in him!

I don't want to understand him, I don't want to rehabilitate him, I just want him to die a very slow and very painful death.....

He should NEVER be given another chance, he should NEVER be released, but he should go to a normal prison without segregation and let all the other inmates know what a nonce he is....(as we obviously don't have capital punishment unfortunately)........

I'm not talking about punishment though SY.  For me it's about these pricks never doing it again and deterring others from doing it. There's only one way to 100% guarantee that.

i think life should mean life, no parole, in these cases. i think that's a fairly good deterrent (although i don't think people like that care about deterrents), an almost certain way of preventing re-offending and may hopefully act as punishment as well.

although i agree that capital punishment would be 100% successful in preventing re-offending and would be a more effective deterrent, i just can't stomach the idea. i find it as abhorrent as the original crime. but i'm a soft liberal wishy-washy leftie:)

Fair enough. I just think there's far too much evil in this world and something needs to be done about it. Including capital punishment. That may well make me just as bad. But then, if it does, I really couldn't give a fuck.

the Zulu King/people in the 19th Century could not believe how cruel we were to incarcerate our criminals and deny them freedom for so long (a torture for very second, minute, day etc). They believed that the more evil  the crime (shagging Shaka's mum) then the harsher the death (eaten to death by SClub7 after being smeared in Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall's knob cheese) a straightforward crime (spilling Fb's pint) would be rewarded by a quick death (an assegai up the chocolate speedway)
I see their point

Easy hard labour 15 hours a day, no perks, no parole, minimum 25 years for murder etc, bollocks to human rights for scumbags, that would make hell of a deterrent.

Fella at my work got arrested,shagging a 15 year old or something im not overly sure of the facts.I believe the Police found some dodgy shit on his computer as well.Got arrested a few months ago at work then never came back.Found dead in his flat a couple of weeks ago,apperently hit the bottle and fell over or something,although I wouldnt rule out suicide.He seemed quite normal to me.

You personallly don't have to. I'm not just talking about this guy. I'm just saying as a society some people somewhere need to be trying to understand this issue as understanding way paedophilia occurs enables you to prevent it rather than just punish people for it (altho I agree that can be part of the pervention).

Society needs to stop kids being abused before its happened and also give people who've been abused all the support they need so that less of them become future abusers. Surely you can see the sense in that?

Bollocks. Time and again these freaks prove they are unable to control their urges. To these people it is only natural so you'll never prevent it fully. So if we can't prevent it we need the best deterrent possible. Hang the bastards.

Are you sure you're not a peado melksham?

Bit harsh Ben

Maybe all the violent hatred is a way of trying to convince himself he doesn't like little boys. Like someone who constantly tells you that they don't like gays and then always tries to sneak a look at your knob in the gents.

Maybe he genuinly like many people is disgusted by it and wants to kick fuck out of him.

It's all gone a bit Daily Mail on here.

It would also make sense with the peado's can't be prevented/rehabilitation stuff. How could you trust these strangers not to offend when you can barely trust yourself.

They should not be rahabilitated anyway.

Why not?

Understanding the problem has not helped crime in this country.We all know why Drug addicts commit crime and in most cases we know why they got on drugs in the first place,has this reduced the amount of people becoming addicted to hard drugs? No it has increased.

The only way you will keep a peado or rapist from doing this is to keep them away from victims and the only way that is possible is to keep them locked up.

I dont doubt for one minute that there are cases that have happened where someone has probably commited this offence and possibly changed their lives around but stats will show these people re offend.

To say that people who want to inflict punishment may mean they have something to hide themselves  is out of order in my opinion.

This topic has to be the last major taboo hasn't it? One that will be never accepted within modern society and quite right too.

Did anyone see that documentary about Daniel Carleton Gajdusek the Nobel Prize winning physician and convicted pervert? Interesting but disturbing conclusion.

Actually that sort of a senario is a problem. There but by the grace of god goes a lot of us. When we were younger how many of us had a girlfriend aged 15 ?
So shagging her at age 15 & 364 days makes you a nonce,  but after midnight it's all legal. I know common sense is applied often in these sorts of cases, but how do you ditinguish between that sort of case & the Gary Glitters of the world. (in law that is).

A lot of 15 yr old girls now look 18/19 anyways, and if they tell you they are 19, what the fuck are you supposed to do ?

What so all drug rehab programmes are a waste of time even though a lot of people have used them to help them quit (I acknowledge they have to really want to quit themselves first).



But surely prevention is massively important? How can imprisonment be a total solution? That only stops repeat offending. What about those doing good work in stopping distribution of child porn etc. What about encouraging children to speak up about adults who might be acting badly towards them or teaching them that this behavious isn't OK so they might be able to recognise it as wrong when it starts. And yes there needs to be someone adults who are worried about their behaviour\urges can talk to. All this can help towards prevention.

With rape (not child rape) there is clearly a big problem in that only a small percentage of rapes are reported and only are small percentage of those are sucessfully prosecuted. I think I heard something like 1 in 10 reported and 1 in 10 prosecuted. I might be wrong but if this is vaguely right that would mean only around 1 in 100 rapes result in prison for the rapist anyway!! I know the police are working to increase the prosecution rate but clearly with rape there are more issues than just how many years the rapist gets.

Sorry spy - we will just need to agree to disagree on most of this...

You cannot "prevent" some sicko's urges - they will be there whatever...

Encouraging kids to speak up is absolutely necessary - although this is after the horse has bolted and not prevention

Cleaning up kiddie porn on the internet is also something that is needed - and more of it !  Shut them down and lock up the bastards that are either putting it on or accessing it !

However when it comes to some sick twat that rapes a 10 year old girl - there is nothing to understand.  There is nothing to try and rehabilitate.  It is all too late.  That poor little girl now has a complete life sentence - purely because he didn't have the will power to say no to his urges.

Therefore he needs to be taken away from society - permanently.  He had his chance - simple as that.  HE chose not to take that chance.  HE chose to do what he did.  HE knew it was wrong - but he didn't stop himself.

I cannot see the point of locking him up for the rest of his life - that is just a waste of time, money and resources.  Why should I as a taxpayer put money into the system that keeps him alive and breathing ?  He is useless and pointless - and the quicker he is dead the better in my opinion.

I also understand that my opinion is pretty harsh on this point - but I guess as I have a 10 year old daughter myself it might be making my judgement slightly clouded on this one.....

Great post sheepshagger. That's how i'd like to put it but sadly am a bit too inarticulate to pen it in such a way.

FB, I fail to see how wanting to see sickos who rape little children fry for what they've done makes me a closet peado. It's just plain wrong and the perpatraitor should pay with his life. I'm sorry if that upsets some of the wet blanket lefties on this site but tough shit.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/8094663.stm

I suppose you want to understand and rehabilitate this cunt aswell?

I think this is the wilful ignorance that I disagree with. Just because it's a horrible subject, and something that people want to ignore, doesn't mean that there's nothing to understand. There are clearly social  and environmental influences that lead to crimes like this. Don't confuse that with an excuse, it's not the same thing.

There's a very confused attitude towards children and sexuality in Britain. People are right to be disgusted about child abuse, but a lot of the anger is a diversion because people don't want to face up to and have a sensible discussion about the subject.

She's not even been found guilty yet. Do you think they should bother with a trial?

But if she's found guilty then yes.

These pervs are vile but it's not as easy as getting the old gallows out of the shed anymore. The western world has changed and I doubt the death penalty will ever return in our lifetime.

I agree with Ben's comments about people not wanting don't "to face up to and have a sensible discussion about the subject".

Do you actually know anyone who has been abused fb? I do, and their life is a constant battle against facing the horror that they've been put through. Everyday is a fucking chore not to remember what the filthy cunt did to them. There's self harming, deep depression, suicide attempts and a whole lot more. You carry on with your understanding pal. There is nothing to understand. They are scum and should be put to death.

Maybe so Ben, but right now things such as Peadophilia are things that we don't understand fully and therefore cannot cure not prevent.

Maybe one day we will develop enough understanding on the subject to be able to rehabilitate them but until that day comes then surely they should be kept where they can do no harm to others.

Sorry Ben - it is not willful ignorance at all.

I am not ignorant to the subject - I choose to have an opinion on it.  I personally do not believe these scumbags deserve to be "understood" or "rehabilitated"

I believe they are crafty liars (as has been proved MANY times) and will say or do anything in order to be set free to do the same crime again.  In the meantime some professor will be waxing lyrically about how they now understand the said person - and then he does it again - but not to worry he is now understood !!!

Bottom line for me is that they are dangerous sick bastards and deserve to be killed - simple as.

I don't believe this is ignorance - I just think it is natural justice.....

It goes without saying that the support of victims is the most important thing in all this, but that's where the blind hatred of the media is at its most irresponsible.

This stereotyping of the creepy evil peado does nothing to help or encourage victims to come forward. In fact it does the opposite; in the vast majority of cases the abuse is going to be from someone the child knows and is unlikely to be anywhere near the stereotype. Knowing their abusers would could face death would make the difficult emotional experience of reporting abuse even harder.

Support for victims isn't the same as constantly reminded them that they've suffered to what society considers one of the worst crimes possible. They should obviously have as much help as needed, but shouldn't be made to feel guilty for moving on.

when you become a parent ben,i think your viewpoint will change somewhat.

I don't think all parents are irrational.

do you think I am being irrational Ben ?

If so in what way ?

i'm sure victims couldn't give a shit if an abuser was put down.sexual abuse victims lives are changed forever.it never goes away.
many say nothing out of shame,and hope to blank it out of their minds.trouble is it will always crop up in theor lives at times.it effects future relationships etc.
people that carry out the disgusting crimes are sick and connot be cured.

please explain the irrational comment ben

I have a gut instinct shame as sheepshaggers - kill the fuckers in the most painful way possible. What stops me from supporting the return of the death penalty in these kinds of cases is the woeful record of miscarriages of justice. You can release someone wrongfully convicted from a life sentence, but not from a death sentence

the scumbag in the article this thread is based on pleaded guilty and showed no remorse.hardly got the wrong guy have they?
some things are 100% proven

Would he have entered a guilty plea if the death sentence was available.

And for a number of you opinionated people - it's paedophilia, not peadophilia.

Well whats your opinion

I was talking in general

I would see the death penalty as a deterrent as well as a punishment, but I can't see where you draw the line. For example - is raping a fifteen year old or a ten year old punishable by death - where is the cut off ?.

For that reason, and the risk, however small, of error, I can't really justify bringing it back

I'd feel more comfortable with the life means life approach, without the cossetted life that i perceive prison sentences to be these days. I also don't think there should be any special arrangements for this type of convicted criminal (eg segregation)

Agree with all of that mate as much as the death pen would get rid of them as you and others say too many mistakes can happen.

To be honest I think you would find most of the people abused would find the idea of there abuser dying a big incentive when considering whether to report them.  Imagine someone has tortured and ruined your life with abuse and then you have the chance for them to go away and never come back.  Even the fear of them someday getting out of prision is enough to ruin most people who have been abused lifes.  I struggle to see how there can be any understanding to sex offenders (paedo's, rapists etc).

I say kill the sick cunts.

That's not how the majority of abuses cases work though. It's not normally the hideous stranger who does nasty things, it's a family member/friend who's probably very nice the rest of the time apart from the one secret thing.

There was a really good radio 4 programme about it, aimed more at the media reaction than the crime itself, and this was pretty much the children's charity's (can't remember if it was NSPCC or childline or another one) response, that the abuser as portrayed by the media is too far away from the reality face by most children, and so it doesn't help them come forward at all.

The vast majority of cases aren't dirty old men hiding in bushes and stalking kids home, it's a person that the children trusts and has a relationship with already, this is why it's always normally years of abuse before people come forward and not straight away.

Rape is rape, whether it's a ten year old or a fifteen year old. In fact it's not just about the kids. Rape is just a fucking disgustingly brutal sick thing to do to someone regardless of age, sex, race or whatever. Let em fry.

What if it wasn't rape and the offender physically beat the victim?

Thats assult

To all the paedo / rapist apologists - how would you feel if it were your son or daughter, missus, mother, brother, sister, gran or any family member raped by some fiend? Would you honestly want to understand, empithise with or rehabiltate the sick cunt? Honestly? Surely you'd want them to fry, whoever they are?

This discussion is getting wearing now. I'm off to look at some teeny porn.   

I don't think anybody is a peado/rapist apologist.

I wouldn't want to rehabilitate anyone of the sort, I'm just putting the debate out there that if you bring the death penalty in then where do you draw the line? (what crimes).

Is a very bad assault on a defenseless person no worse than rape? Apart from the fact that rape is possibly a more personal violation then I don't think it's worse than a serious assault.

What if a person acknowledges they are mentally sick and has improper thoughts about children yet has never acted upon these thoughts and gives no indication of doing so? Would you allow psychologists/psychiatrists to assess that person and possibly help them or would you put them down in the fear they are a risk to society?

I understand and think that someone who has raped a child should not be afforded any sympathy because they have subjected an innocent and defenseless child to atrocious acts, but there are grey areas to anything and a black and white view is very dangerous.

If I had all the answers I wouldn't be stuck in the job i'm in. You're right though, there are grey areas.
Look, i'm not going down the road of debating every point or i'd be in danger of having 25000 posts and losing much needed beauty sleep. Which isn't a great idea. I'm very grouchy if I don't get at least six hours.
I just think convicted paedos like the cunt at the start of this thread should fry. Is that too much too understand? 

As the originator of this thread and the father of a 12 yr old daughter I have read all of your comments with interest.

My view ?

Still the fucking same

Anyone that has admitted to, or has been found guilty of paedophillia should be fucking killed in the most painful way.

As was mentioned earlier in this thread (by Arriba I think), perhaps the likes of Ben will change his views when he becomes a father.

I wonder what views would be if this cunt got released after, say 7 years, and cam and lived within your community and you have a nice secure family unit with 2/3 kids.

Think about it.

That wasn't really my point its not whether there a stranger in the bushes or a family member either way if the person being abused has the get out card which can get rid of the abuser forever I think the vast majority would take it, imagine testifying against your abuser only to see him out on the street 10 or 20 years after that could bring back all those terrifying memories even if the abuser has changed massively.

Nothing the media says gages my opinion on this subject there could be no papers or tv but I would still feel strongly against adults violating children and the punnishment they should receive.  We lost our way in the justice service years back and are far to lenient now, the fact these people get out at all let alone early is a disgrace.

Actually it's only comparatively recently that child abusers have started getting anything like severe sentences. Go back to the 60s/70s and they just didn't take these kind of offences at all seriously, so even in the (highly unlikely) event that an abused child was believed, the case even reached court etc etc, even some of the most serious sex abuse offences would only get a year or so.

Fred west and brady being examples of that paul.

No, both were killers and so got stiff sentences as they were more harshly punished back then (although the Wests were 80s IIRC so different timeframe - I was talking about the 60s/70s and before). But child rapists often got off surprisingly lightly in today's terms and more often than not the cases never even came close to coming to court as the child wouldn't be believed. That didn't really start to turn round till the late 80s. Look back at the early "careers" of the likes of Sidney Cooke and you'll see they were getting 1 year sentences for raping kids - abusers known to the kids as family members/friends etc virtually never got to court.

Peados are bad... innit.

I have 3 kids and agree with you Fred. The thing is these fuckers cultivate realtionships over time and plan what they're doing. They put the kids thruogh hell not only physically but mentally as well, paticularly if they plead not guilty and the kids have to testify. Then you have the parents who have to live with the guilt of not protectiing their kids and in some cases trusting friends and family members with their kids.
It destroys a lot of lives and leaves damage that will never go away for all.
The perpetrator in a lot of cases cannot see that what they have done is evil. Also, how many rehabilitated paedophiles are there? Why is there such a high repeat offending.
Killing the cunts ensures there is no reoffending from that person. 

For me, no matter what someone does the death penalty is never the answer. Firstly, its barbaric and has no place in anyr society. Secondly, I don't think its the worst punishment that can be given - a life time of basic privileges, hard labour and a small cell is a lot worse than a relatively quick and painless death. Plus there is no evidence to suggest that the death penalty works as a deterrent for any crimes.

I'd prefer to keep them locked up and have doctors / therapists / whoever work with them to figure out what causes it and if there is any way to cure them. Most importantly though, they should figure out if there are any ways of identifying a possible future offender and getting to them before they can do anything.

I'm with Jonny on this one.  In my view, the protection of the child comes first.  Therefore, continued detention and supervision is the answer.  It protects the potential victims, and allows further research in to the psychological motives and reasons behind it - furthering hope that we can work out why people abuse children and possibly how we can prevent it.

The death penalty is something I will always be opposed to.   In this particular area, it would be detrimental to the cause - to put it bluntly, it would be losing out on scientific research.  The death penalty is a deterrent - we need a prevention.

what they said ^^^^

Fuck me. Two people running have agreed with something I said. Call the McWhirter's.

You're completely wrong. There? That better?

Sorry paul i was agreeing with what u said about lenient sentencing. Brady and west both had done time for rape before going on to murder.

Doh! Didn't spot that (in fact didn't know that). Once again, I bow before your greater knowledge DRS

The death penalty has several advantages. It is possibly a bigger deterent, & justice would be seen to be done, & reoffending would NOT be possible. The disadvantage is that you may execute the wrong (innocent) person.
When it was abolished it was generally understood & accepted that life would mean life, & I guess most would accept that. The problem is that Life now means a few years, in a comfortable prison with playstations, day release & all other mod cons. Even with the sentences available the judges rarely (if ever) apply the maximum even in the very worst cases. This allied with the goverments ridiculous blanket early release scheme & refusal to build/ make more prison spaces.
Those in authority also appear to view crimes against property as more serious than crimes against the person.
On a general note most serious crime is committed by people with a history of lesser crime, ie you read /hear about so many murders by criminals with a previous string of convictions for which they have not been properly punished.
I know one thing though. If someone is banged up, they are not very likely to reoffend whilst locked away. (The killers of those french students being just the latest example)
The question then arises as to where you draw the line. As I said earlier does a 16/17 yr old sleeping with a 15 yr old girl mean that he is a paedophile (or will be in the future). If convicted, (& I acknowledge he may not be prosecuted) he is treated the same & has to sign the sexual offenders register etc. I don't think the change in the law helps here at all (I understand it would be statuary rape).
I don't pretend to know the answers, but just think that the justice system is woefully inadequate as it stands.

Of course not. If he forces himself on her however, then that would make him a rapist.

There are many grey areas unfortunately.

whatever people believe about the death penalty i am sure offenders woiuldn't be scared off by it.crimes will still be committed.
i'm leaning in favour of putting certain criminals to sleep due to cost.why should these low lives be funded at massive costs to exist in prison?
that said maybe suffering for years in prison is a very harsh punishmnent,and many like huntley would rather be dead.
of course lines need to be drawn,and limits set.may well be an impossible job? but the miscarraiges of justice are becoming ess frequent.dna, etc has come on a long way and alot of cases are set in stone.
i dont agree with letting sickos loose in oopen areas of prisons,as thats just letting other criminals deal with it.

It costs more to sentence people to death than to put them in for life (to their death).

really? how is that?

In an ideal world they wouldn't be detained for long but in practice it doesn't happen. There's a couple of links google has found for me which sum it up quite well. The first link is more concise but the second is more interesting. The third shows that loads of studies through the years have found it to be more expensive than life imprisonment without parole.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/death-penalty/death-penalty-facts/death-penalty-cost/page.do?id=1101084

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29552692/

http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42

The point made in the third one is that life really does mean life. To me that is the key thing.

For everyone in favour of the death penalty, where would you draw the line?

What if the offender had learning disabilities, mental health problems, grew up in care, had been routinely abused as a child whilst in care and clearly had no idea what they were doing was wrong as it was the norm for them?

An extreme case admittedly, but should they get the death penalty?

Yes, it's still the same crime regardless of circumstances.

When I was saying there is a need to under stand this issue I was talking about the general paedo issue, not this specific bloke. Seems a couple of you may have misunderstood me or something. And as I've said before I wasn't meaning you specifically need to contemplate this but some people do at least.

Why can't you see understanding is necessary for better prevention. Understanding and punishment is better prevention than punishment on its own.

Malksham Red - I've known people who've been abused too. Of course its horrible and affects people in different ways. But it doesn't totally ruin all victims lives. Its an awful thing to happen to someone but people carry on and if they can they don't let it make them feel like a victim every day of their lives so they're stuck in that role\mindset forever.

In some ways by saying to get molested is the worst thing that could ever happen to anyone ever and always totally ruins the victims life and anyone whos ever done it should be shot cos its so bad that person is always irredeemably bad don't you think all that stigma might make a lot of people who its happened to feel worse?

I'm totally not saying we should take it lightly and don't anyone twist this to make out I am but its something to consider that it might be sometimes good to take a step back from all the hysteria (whilst not saying its all unjustified).

OK, so lets go to the other extreme. A bloke goes out on the piss, picks up a bird in a club, takes her home and does the business with her. It then turns out she was only 15. Using your same crime regardless of circumstances argument, this bloke would then get the death penalty. Or would that be different?

But if they had severe learning difficulties then mentally they could be very childlike anyway. My mum teaches severe special needs adults and to think that if one of them did something sexual to a child without realising how bad that was then they could be executed would be fucking horrendous.

Because the child and the special needs adult can have a similar mental age in some cases that could basically be the same as saying 2 child who played around in a sexual or pseudo-sexual way should both face the death penalty, which is clearly bollocks.

The guy picking up a fifteen year old scenario isn't a very good one though is it. It is not strictly rape surely. If she is in a pub or a club and has consensual sex then surely a bloke can safely assume she 18 or at the very least 16. Or should he check her birth certificate first? Technically she shouldn't be there in the first place if she's 15 surely?
Are we not getting away from the point of this thread again though? Lets turn it around. The bloke at the start of this thread knew full well what he was doing and has shown absolutely no remorse for what he has done. Do you think 5 years is enough? What would be an appropriate way of dealing with this scum, in your view? Understanding and a nice cup of tea?

I'd lock him up and not allow parole.

I don't think he'll be out in five, hopefully he will serve a full life term if he appears to be as dangerous as the article and the reported case makes outs.

MR that is fucking annoying are you not listening to me? What I've been saying is we need some people in this society who look into the paedo issue and try and gain an understanding of it in order to help prevent future abuse. From that you're trying to make out I'm in favour of going softly on peados. For fucks sake.

But if peado's don't commit an offence then society doesn't get to punish them.

Fancy replying to this one MR?

Yeah, i'm listening. I also fully understand and respect your points. I'm just enjoying winding you up.

Yeah hang them too. They're obviously faking it!

Stab 'em

That's the spirit paul.

Yeah people seem a lot keener to discuss the punishment and how extreme it should be than they are to discuss how we can prevent the abuse in the first place.

I guess its a bit more of a complex issue and requires a bit more though than just saying "kill them all".

Also like I mentioned before paedos are something we can all agree is bad and an easy (and deserving) target for hatred and anger.

Hitler had the right idea!

But then you're all anti Nazi.

There really is no helping some people.....................

Spy - and potential paedo's that come forward and discuss the fact that they have these feelings (and I am sure there are people who do) should be treated with respect, talked to and ultimately yes we should try to understand why they want to do this.

A paedo who is normal in every other way and doesn't stop himself doing this - kill them

Someone who is of a lower mental capacity and is found to have done this should be securely locked away forever, or at least until the doctors have worked closely enough with that individual to make sure that they are CERTAIN (and if they cannot be certain then there can or should be no release) that they will not act in this way again.

OK - i agree that these people in this category should not be killed - but again we need to think about the victim not the offender - and regardless of whether they have a lower capacity to think, they should still be punished and locked away to stop them doing this again.....

But you can't agree to consensual sex under the age of 16, so legally it is child abuse which would mean the automatic death penalty. Obviously this would never happen in a lot of cases, but I'm just using it as an example of how the death to all child abusers is flawed.

As regards the original subject of the thread. No one found guilty of child abuse should be freed unless there was 0% chance of them re-offending, if that means them being detained for the rest of their life then so be it. The minimum amount of time they are detained and where they are detained (prison or psychiatric ward) should depend on how aware they were of what they were doing and it being wrong.

For someone who just gets their kicks from kids, then its prison all the way for a long time. At the other extreme, for someone whose actions were solely and directly as a result of mental health problems then its straight to psychiatric ward until they're better.

For clarity regarding The Age of Consent (Sexual Offences Act 2003)

The legal age for young people to consent to have sex is still 16, whether they are straight, gay or bisexual. The aim of the law is to protect the rights and interests of young people, and make it easier to prosecute people who pressure or force others into having sex they don't want.

For the purposes of the under 13 offences, whether the child consented is irrelevant. A child under 13 does not, under any circumstances, have the legal capacity to consent to any form of sexual activity.

Although the age of consent remains at 16, the law is not intended to prosecute mutually agreed teenage sexual activity between two young people of a similar age, unless it involves abuse or exploitation. Young people, including those under 13, will continue to have the right to confidential advice on contraception, condoms, pregnancy and abortion.