Remember this face .......................

[sheepshagger]

I think this is the wilful ignorance that I disagree with. Just because it's a horrible subject, and something that people want to ignore, doesn't mean that there's nothing to understand. There are clearly social  and environmental influences that lead to crimes like this. Don't confuse that with an excuse, it's not the same thing.

There's a very confused attitude towards children and sexuality in Britain. People are right to be disgusted about child abuse, but a lot of the anger is a diversion because people don't want to face up to and have a sensible discussion about the subject.

Sorry Ben - it is not willful ignorance at all.

I am not ignorant to the subject - I choose to have an opinion on it.  I personally do not believe these scumbags deserve to be "understood" or "rehabilitated"

I believe they are crafty liars (as has been proved MANY times) and will say or do anything in order to be set free to do the same crime again.  In the meantime some professor will be waxing lyrically about how they now understand the said person - and then he does it again - but not to worry he is now understood !!!

Bottom line for me is that they are dangerous sick bastards and deserve to be killed - simple as.

I don't believe this is ignorance - I just think it is natural justice.....

[flammableBen]

It goes without saying that the support of victims is the most important thing in all this, but that's where the blind hatred of the media is at its most irresponsible.

This stereotyping of the creepy evil peado does nothing to help or encourage victims to come forward. In fact it does the opposite; in the vast majority of cases the abuse is going to be from someone the child knows and is unlikely to be anywhere near the stereotype. Knowing their abusers would could face death would make the difficult emotional experience of reporting abuse even harder.

Support for victims isn't the same as constantly reminded them that they've suffered to what society considers one of the worst crimes possible. They should obviously have as much help as needed, but shouldn't be made to feel guilty for moving on.

[Arriba]

when you become a parent ben,i think your viewpoint will change somewhat.

[flammableBen]

I don't think all parents are irrational.

[sheepshagger]

do you think I am being irrational Ben ?

If so in what way ?

[Arriba]

i'm sure victims couldn't give a shit if an abuser was put down.sexual abuse victims lives are changed forever.it never goes away.
many say nothing out of shame,and hope to blank it out of their minds.trouble is it will always crop up in theor lives at times.it effects future relationships etc.
people that carry out the disgusting crimes are sick and connot be cured.

please explain the irrational comment ben

[pauld]

I have a gut instinct shame as sheepshaggers - kill the fuckers in the most painful way possible. What stops me from supporting the return of the death penalty in these kinds of cases is the woeful record of miscarriages of justice. You can release someone wrongfully convicted from a life sentence, but not from a death sentence

[Arriba]

the scumbag in the article this thread is based on pleaded guilty and showed no remorse.hardly got the wrong guy have they?
some things are 100% proven

[nevillew]

the scumbag in the article this thread is based on pleaded guilty and showed no remorse.hardly got the wrong guy have they?
some things are 100% proven

Would he have entered a guilty plea if the death sentence was available.

And for a number of you opinionated people - it's paedophilia, not peadophilia.

[Don Rogers Shop]

Well whats your opinion

[pauld]

the scumbag in the article this thread is based on pleaded guilty and showed no remorse.hardly got the wrong guy have they?
some things are 100% proven

I was talking in general

[nevillew]

Well whats your opinion

I would see the death penalty as a deterrent as well as a punishment, but I can't see where you draw the line. For example - is raping a fifteen year old or a ten year old punishable by death - where is the cut off ?.

For that reason, and the risk, however small, of error, I can't really justify bringing it back

I'd feel more comfortable with the life means life approach, without the cossetted life that i perceive prison sentences to be these days. I also don't think there should be any special arrangements for this type of convicted criminal (eg segregation)

[Don Rogers Shop]

Agree with all of that mate as much as the death pen would get rid of them as you and others say too many mistakes can happen.

[stfctownenda]

It goes without saying that the support of victims is the most important thing in all this, but that's where the blind hatred of the media is at its most irresponsible.

This stereotyping of the creepy evil peado does nothing to help or encourage victims to come forward. In fact it does the opposite; in the vast majority of cases the abuse is going to be from someone the child knows and is unlikely to be anywhere near the stereotype. Knowing their abusers would could face death would make the difficult emotional experience of reporting abuse even harder.

Support for victims isn't the same as constantly reminded them that they've suffered to what society considers one of the worst crimes possible. They should obviously have as much help as needed, but shouldn't be made to feel guilty for moving on.

To be honest I think you would find most of the people abused would find the idea of there abuser dying a big incentive when considering whether to report them.  Imagine someone has tortured and ruined your life with abuse and then you have the chance for them to go away and never come back.  Even the fear of them someday getting out of prision is enough to ruin most people who have been abused lifes.  I struggle to see how there can be any understanding to sex offenders (paedo's, rapists etc).

[tans]

I say kill the sick cunts.