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« Reply #45 on: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 08:50:33 » |
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They should not be rahabilitated anyway.
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« Reply #46 on: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 08:52:07 » |
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Why not?
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« Reply #47 on: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 08:58:19 » |
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Understanding the problem has not helped crime in this country.We all know why Drug addicts commit crime and in most cases we know why they got on drugs in the first place,has this reduced the amount of people becoming addicted to hard drugs? No it has increased.
The only way you will keep a peado or rapist from doing this is to keep them away from victims and the only way that is possible is to keep them locked up.
I dont doubt for one minute that there are cases that have happened where someone has probably commited this offence and possibly changed their lives around but stats will show these people re offend.
To say that people who want to inflict punishment may mean they have something to hide themselves is out of order in my opinion.
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« Reply #48 on: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 08:59:09 » |
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This topic has to be the last major taboo hasn't it? One that will be never accepted within modern society and quite right too.
Did anyone see that documentary about Daniel Carleton Gajdusek the Nobel Prize winning physician and convicted pervert? Interesting but disturbing conclusion.
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« Reply #49 on: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 09:46:18 » |
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Fella at my work got arrested,shagging a 15 year old or something im not overly sure of the facts.I believe the Police found some dodgy shit on his computer as well.Got arrested a few months ago at work then never came back.Found dead in his flat a couple of weeks ago,apperently hit the bottle and fell over or something,although I wouldnt rule out suicide.He seemed quite normal to me.
Actually that sort of a senario is a problem. There but by the grace of god goes a lot of us. When we were younger how many of us had a girlfriend aged 15 ? So shagging her at age 15 & 364 days makes you a nonce, but after midnight it's all legal. I know common sense is applied often in these sorts of cases, but how do you ditinguish between that sort of case & the Gary Glitters of the world. (in law that is). |
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« Reply #50 on: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 09:53:10 » |
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Actually that sort of a senario is a problem. There but by the grace of god goes a lot of us. When we were younger how many of us had a girlfriend aged 15 ?
So shagging her at age 15 & 364 days makes you a nonce, but after midnight it's all legal. I know common sense is applied often in these sorts of cases, but how do you ditinguish between that sort of case & the Gary Glitters of the world. (in law that is).
A lot of 15 yr old girls now look 18/19 anyways, and if they tell you they are 19, what the fuck are you supposed to do ? |
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« Reply #51 on: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 09:55:44 » |
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Understanding the problem has not helped crime in this country.We all know why Drug addicts commit crime and in most cases we know why they got on drugs in the first place,has this reduced the amount of people becoming addicted to hard drugs? No it has increased.
What so all drug rehab programmes are a waste of time even though a lot of people have used them to help them quit (I acknowledge they have to really want to quit themselves first). The only way you will keep a peado or rapist from doing this is to keep them away from victims and the only way that is possible is to keep them locked up. But surely prevention is massively important? How can imprisonment be a total solution? That only stops repeat offending. What about those doing good work in stopping distribution of child porn etc. What about encouraging children to speak up about adults who might be acting badly towards them or teaching them that this behavious isn't OK so they might be able to recognise it as wrong when it starts. And yes there needs to be someone adults who are worried about their behaviour\urges can talk to. All this can help towards prevention. With rape (not child rape) there is clearly a big problem in that only a small percentage of rapes are reported and only are small percentage of those are sucessfully prosecuted. I think I heard something like 1 in 10 reported and 1 in 10 prosecuted. I might be wrong but if this is vaguely right that would mean only around 1 in 100 rapes result in prison for the rapist anyway!! I know the police are working to increase the prosecution rate but clearly with rape there are more issues than just how many years the rapist gets. |
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« Reply #52 on: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 10:46:49 » |
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Sorry spy - we will just need to agree to disagree on most of this...
You cannot "prevent" some sicko's urges - they will be there whatever...
Encouraging kids to speak up is absolutely necessary - although this is after the horse has bolted and not prevention
Cleaning up kiddie porn on the internet is also something that is needed - and more of it ! Shut them down and lock up the bastards that are either putting it on or accessing it !
However when it comes to some sick twat that rapes a 10 year old girl - there is nothing to understand. There is nothing to try and rehabilitate. It is all too late. That poor little girl now has a complete life sentence - purely because he didn't have the will power to say no to his urges.
Therefore he needs to be taken away from society - permanently. He had his chance - simple as that. HE chose not to take that chance. HE chose to do what he did. HE knew it was wrong - but he didn't stop himself.
I cannot see the point of locking him up for the rest of his life - that is just a waste of time, money and resources. Why should I as a taxpayer put money into the system that keeps him alive and breathing ? He is useless and pointless - and the quicker he is dead the better in my opinion.
I also understand that my opinion is pretty harsh on this point - but I guess as I have a 10 year old daughter myself it might be making my judgement slightly clouded on this one.....
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« Reply #53 on: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 11:08:55 » |
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Sorry spy - we will just need to agree to disagree on most of this...
You cannot "prevent" some sicko's urges - they will be there whatever...
Encouraging kids to speak up is absolutely necessary - although this is after the horse has bolted and not prevention
Cleaning up kiddie porn on the internet is also something that is needed - and more of it ! Shut them down and lock up the bastards that are either putting it on or accessing it !
However when it comes to some sick twat that rapes a 10 year old girl - there is nothing to understand. There is nothing to try and rehabilitate. It is all too late. That poor little girl now has a complete life sentence - purely because he didn't have the will power to say no to his urges.
Therefore he needs to be taken away from society - permanently. He had his chance - simple as that. HE chose not to take that chance. HE chose to do what he did. HE knew it was wrong - but he didn't stop himself.
I cannot see the point of locking him up for the rest of his life - that is just a waste of time, money and resources. Why should I as a taxpayer put money into the system that keeps him alive and breathing ? He is useless and pointless - and the quicker he is dead the better in my opinion.
I also understand that my opinion is pretty harsh on this point - but I guess as I have a 10 year old daughter myself it might be making my judgement slightly clouded on this one.....
Great post sheepshagger. That's how i'd like to put it but sadly am a bit too inarticulate to pen it in such a way. FB, I fail to see how wanting to see sickos who rape little children fry for what they've done makes me a closet peado. It's just plain wrong and the perpatraitor should pay with his life. I'm sorry if that upsets some of the wet blanket lefties on this site but tough shit. |
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« Reply #55 on: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 11:29:44 » |
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However when it comes to some sick twat that rapes a 10 year old girl - there is nothing to understand. There is nothing to try and rehabilitate. It is all too late. That poor little girl now has a complete life sentence - purely because he didn't have the will power to say no to his urges.
I think this is the wilful ignorance that I disagree with. Just because it's a horrible subject, and something that people want to ignore, doesn't mean that there's nothing to understand. There are clearly social and environmental influences that lead to crimes like this. Don't confuse that with an excuse, it's not the same thing. There's a very confused attitude towards children and sexuality in Britain. People are right to be disgusted about child abuse, but a lot of the anger is a diversion because people don't want to face up to and have a sensible discussion about the subject. |
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« Reply #56 on: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 11:31:00 » |
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She's not even been found guilty yet. Do you think they should bother with a trial? But if she's found guilty then yes. |
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« Reply #57 on: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 11:32:39 » |
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These pervs are vile but it's not as easy as getting the old gallows out of the shed anymore. The western world has changed and I doubt the death penalty will ever return in our lifetime.
I agree with Ben's comments about people not wanting don't "to face up to and have a sensible discussion about the subject".
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« Reply #58 on: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 11:41:38 » |
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Do you actually know anyone who has been abused fb? I do, and their life is a constant battle against facing the horror that they've been put through. Everyday is a fucking chore not to remember what the filthy cunt did to them. There's self harming, deep depression, suicide attempts and a whole lot more. You carry on with your understanding pal. There is nothing to understand. They are scum and should be put to death.
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« Reply #59 on: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 11:46:02 » |
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I think this is the wilful ignorance that I disagree with. Just because it's a horrible subject, and something that people want to ignore, doesn't mean that there's nothing to understand. There are clearly social and environmental influences that lead to crimes like this. Don't confuse that with an excuse, it's not the same thing.
There's a very confused attitude towards children and sexuality in Britain. People are right to be disgusted about child abuse, but a lot of the anger is a diversion because people don't want to face up to and have a sensible discussion about the subject.
I think this is the wilful ignorance that I disagree with. Just because it's a horrible subject, and something that people want to ignore, doesn't mean that there's nothing to understand. There are clearly social and environmental influences that lead to crimes like this. Don't confuse that with an excuse, it's not the same thing.
There's a very confused attitude towards children and sexuality in Britain. People are right to be disgusted about child abuse, but a lot of the anger is a diversion because people don't want to face up to and have a sensible discussion about the subject.
Maybe so Ben, but right now things such as Peadophilia are things that we don't understand fully and therefore cannot cure not prevent. Maybe one day we will develop enough understanding on the subject to be able to rehabilitate them but until that day comes then surely they should be kept where they can do no harm to others. |
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