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Good god im up for this one! :D

Roll on 5 o'clock and pub time.

What knobheads ruin an ace trip to the pub by going to a football match

Did anyone else get the Email about going in the members suite for free for the next two Tuesdays?

We have decided to take advantage so we can grab some dinner and have a sit down as its usually a big mega rush for me

Hartlepool training on Croft this morning - I've sprinkled drawing pins around liberally !  ;D Promise I'll pick them all up after though !

Im going straight from work today, I need to get food and Sam/Nickies dinner smelt LOVELY last time!

I'm going straight from work as well. We parked in The Merlin car park this morning. I hope they don't clamp us.

Its pancake day, whats up with you all!

I had pancake day yesterday. Straight to the pub for me too

I want pancakes for Lunch but gay husbad is refusing to make any!! we dont have a frying pan in the work kitchen so it could actually be difficult!

Priorities.

Ooh, it's pancake day. Might have a savoury pancake for lunch if I can be arsed.

I cant make it-we're bound to win.

Nor me Adje

Needless to say I will be fucking standing all the way home from Paddington again !

At your age!

I know

Inconsiderate cunts

We could climb and to 3 league places with a win tonight and would definitely go above hartlepool,

3-1 win! The reds are staying up!

I might mention that this pancake is lush. Cheese, Ham and Herbs. Nom.

I had 3 pancakes with maple syrup for breakfast. Not the crepe style ones, but the fat American ones.

I was just thinking about having the same BO. Think it might be a bit greedy as I'll probably have some pancakes later.

You can give up pancakes for lent tomorrow.

Hmm. I'll consider it.

Wait a sec. I don't have to give up anything for lent.

I might do anti-lent and eat bad things that I wouldn't normally eat for the next however many days.

40.

That's a long time to be even doing anti-giving up things. I think I'll just carry on as normal.

I've decided that for lent I'm going to give up giving things up.

I'm giving up dairy. Man i'm going to struggle. Didn't realise so many things had dairy in them!!

I CAN make it and hopefully we will win....I havent seen us lose for 4 seasons....fingers crossed!

Fuck me, you haven't been to many matches then!

i had pancakes norwegian style with crazy things like baconost (bacon cheese...in a tube). i didn't realise it was pancake day until just now  8)

I'm meant to be reading. Just "finished" my second reading about social constructivism of climate change science, and should be moving on to the third...but the offer of free pancakes at my friends' place in Kings Cross seems a bit too good to miss!

..........Brezovan
Smith..Ifil..Greer..Vincent
Amankwaah.Kanyuka.Allen.??
..........Cox..Paynter

That's the team, but accoriding the the official site, McNamee is starting and on the bench, and Kanu is no-where.
So i'm not sure about that.

Has kanu gone back to reading or is he injured

He's playing mcnamee's been named twice!

Hartlepool site says Robson-Kanu is starting.

Oh and where did you get Allen from? Timlin's playing not him!

just switched on the inter v manu game on norwegian tv and the presenter is none other than jan the man!

i want to kiss the tv.

would have liked to see mcnamee start instead of amankwaah,attack them at home and all that,they cant be too good defensively if we scored 3 past them last time..

Agreed santas

Mcnamee wouldn't last 90 minutes on a soft pitch.

Music's been good (apart from the Smiths) - Chuck Berry and the Clash.  Should we try to get the Rezillos on at half time?

he wouldn't have to,just think he should start

Who the fuck is this commentating?

has mcnamee ever lasted 90 minutes? if he has, it must have only happened once or twice due to his asthma


also what's wrong with the smiths?

i'm gonna stick my neck on the line and say sonic are you in norway??!

I'm not a fan.  That is all.

Hello Sonic-what you doing over there?And why have you only got 92 posts to your name?Are you an imposter?

whatever gave you that idea? :)

so is timlin in the middle and robson-kanu on the left?

yes-now answer my question!

Let him help us go a few goals up,swap him for amankwaah during the last 20 minutes of torrent attacks from the opposition,which we're bound to get seeing as we're swindon and prone to late equalisers..


expect so,kanu has played there for the last few games

So 10 minutes gone, anyone got any idea how we are playing?

1) i'm meeting the girlfriends parents (and extended family)
2) i deleted my account in december when my head was a mess

this game is not very exciting

Eastenders was alright. Monkhouse is going to bite us on the arse isn't he.

They're not Norwegian!

sorry to hear(2)-ok now?
pleased to hear(1)

Millwall seem to be on freefall at the moment, Cheltenham 1-0

Hopefully another 43rd minute half time booster!

Need a bit of an ht boost from DW!

 :sleep:

Best. Matchday. Thread. Ever.

Probably 'cause not many people have commentary?

by the by,were you that bored you HAD to put a full stop ater each word?

Afraid so. And I don't have commentary. So I'll assume that 45 minutes was as dull as ditch water then......

Saturdays was the best ever - tonight's is :zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

I've resorted to browsing the web for random shit.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7908446.stm

Come on, the OAP's of today just have no bloody respect......

I have got commentary-but wish I hadn't

saturdays game was full of incident,whereas todays game sounds like (from sporting life) its boring,only 5 shots aparently.


shame they dont take chavs off the streets, afterall they are the biggest nuisance,especially in merseyside.

Didn't know Ben was working for Sky News........

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090218/twl-toddler-weds-dog-to-avoid-indian-tig-3fd0ae9.html

Stop moaning you miserable old fart and think of the penguins

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20090213/twl-environment-us-penguins-1202b49.html

right,im off to play footy,last time i played and swindon played was walsall,lets hope we dont let two goals in,but still win ;D

It is boring but we do seem to be attacking.

Monkhouse booked. Free kick coming in.......Timlin drive in.......everyone misses it bar the keeper.

Kanu misses and cox is not happy

You fucking right there nochee. This is boring.....

Sounds as if this game is crying out for McNamee

I went to buy some pancakes but the shop had ran out of lemon juice :(

So i bought strawberry sauce instead but its just not the same

You went to buy pancakes???????? WTF, make them yourself! And buy a lemon, cut the fucker in half and squeeze the juice out. Its not rocket science........

Is anyone else's commentry cutting out every minute or so?

Time for a change,surely?

Buying 6 frozen pancakes is alot cheaper and easier than buying the flour and the milk and making it all up yourself. Point taken on the lemon though. Let myself down with that

no,but I somehow wish it was.

Brighton equalised, Millwall in front.

And here it comes-McNamee and Peacock on Amankwah and Paynter off

Got that we were making subs, but who it was i dont know???  Help me out Adje please

I suppose you are a student. But even so Dave......

I've taken to liking my pancakes the american way. Loads of maple syrup drizzled over them and some nice streaky bacon on the side. With lemon is just so......meh.

That was brilliant, well done.

Has anyone taken up the 30 free trial of World? Can't get commentary and only plays highlights/news items if I download them. Tried their FAQ's and contacted them but still no joy. Being overseas should not be a problem according to them.

Ha Virgo sent off-couldn't happen to a nicer bloke!

Allen for bigpat kanyuka

oooooo peacock has a shot saved by the keeper

"Its one of them nights" says Phil king

bad miss by Peacock

I've got the trial and had no issues at all. Commentary's fine and the news clips play alright as well, so it must just be you

Thanks ... although a bit cutting  :cry:

I had the full works (World) for the three years I was in the USA, so overseas is not (or was not) a problem. Firewall issue your end maybe?

Oh, and it needed IE - was weird with Firefox if you use that as your web browser.

Try right clicking then copying the link location. Open up Windows Media/Real Player/Whatever and open URL, or just Open on a few. Paste.

If that don't work, right click, save target, save somewhere. open it up and it'll ask for a password. Worked fine for me.

Greer the Man o the match of a wanky game

haha. Penalty to hartlepool

Penalty ffs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Goal

For high-foot.

Fuck off, thats indirect.

unless he made contact then he's got to fucking book him.
Tw**

Bugger

Another 90+ minute goal-its getting beyond a fucking joke!

Oh bollocks! Just arrived. Wish I hadnt now! How long left?

Fucking swear properly you twat.

Bollocks :cry:

FFS

SOS.....

Let him fucking swear as he cunting wants.  Bollocking arse, I'm cuntflappingly pissed off now.

Sounds like Jerel has had a mare all game, and gone and fucking topped it all off! For fuck sake! Just when we think we're moving in the right direction, today was massive and we've fucked it up.

laughoutloud

sounds like we've massively underestimated hartlepool. We get one fortunate win against decent opposition and then loook what happens

Has it finished ?

The table looks tight now at the bottom with crewe now in the mix

Why can't we beat shit teams? :(

final score?

BUMP!

it has and we are

Another fucking late, late goal. We're in the shit. This is a game we simply couldn't lose.

Has anybody started putting money on swindon conceding a goal in the last 5 mins? This could be a recession busting idea. Surely we would make an absolute fortune.

Of course we would obviously get reported for match fixing as it could never happen that often... :doh:

Problem is, we've had a good run of late and we're still right in the mix. Destiny very much in our own hands. Les hope tonight was just a bad day at the office. Onto the weekend, and you just never know......

you've got to win your home games at a minimum. We didn't. Things are not looking good!!

basically we are pretty shit at home

Can't be arsed to stay up for the post match interviews. Night all. Grrr.

And pretty shit away, bar the last two results, but draws aren't going to keep us up are they?!

Well thats all my confidence built up from the last few weeks shredded. We are right in the poo now.

Well to be honest our away record holds up pretty well-only the top 7 have lost fewer.

We always do it to ourselves don't we if there's an important game were guaranteed to lose it.

how the fuck was that a penalty? high feet, which their player wasn't contesting..so it wasn't dangerous. and he kicked the ball when it was out of the area.

the ref was shocking

we were worse. i think the ref will paper over the fact that we were totally inept, playing long balls to strikers marked by two massive lumps at the back...suicidal stuff

grr

At least DW agrees with me.

ref needs shooting.

i can't be arsed with the radio, what's he saying?

Shit ref+2 shit teams=shit game,basically.Oh and Kanu's loan is to be extended(whoop!)

oh magic, he wasn't superb today

we really didn't look up for it, neither did they though

 We're now a point worse off than in 05/06....a point would have been disappointing, but a clean sheet etc etc....this could be our Rotherham game, where the team spirit flies out of the window, players mentally jack it in and start looking for moves in the summer.

Haven't read the thread so don't know if it's been mentioned, but high foot is only an indirect free-kick. Should never have been a penalty.

Worst decision I ever seen in 20 years of watching Swindon

Ifil kicked the ball and some how gave away a penalty.

Swindon 0
Hartlepool 0
Referee 1

hope get gets GRID

Didn't look like the ref had any idea all night, but we didn't deserve anything out of that.  I think it was one shot on target all night.  And that bloke from Reading was fucking awful, couldn't hit a barn door from five yards tonight.  But if we could have passed and played with some sort of spirit we would have won that game.  Too lethargic, not enough effort and not bloody good enough!

Was not pleased with that performance. Gutless if i'm honest. I haven't felt this low as a Town fan for ages. I'm actually starting to think about the unthinkable.

it had shit 0-0 with no chances written all over it (like when we used to play Blackpool) but the cunting ref had other ideas.

Must have had money on it the fucking cunting twatbag

FUCK YOU REF YOU FUCKING CLUELESS NUMPTY.

We deserved NOTHING from tonights game, but nor did they, ref was a disgrace - A penalty for  hight foot, he was the only one in the ground that thought so ....
AARRGGHHH .......

Fair summary!

That was some god awful bad officiating, I was (and still am) pretty livid

And we were shocking also. No creativity, urgency or commitment

We weren't up to standard, but without the ref being a cunt we would have held on for 0-0 at least.

Right now I have that out my system.

First half was OK. Bad patches intermingled with some good passing with Amankwha combining with Smith and Cox well to get down the flank and in behind. Didn't create enough clear cut chances.

Second half was bitty scrappy bollocks with a cock of a ref who looked like he'd been got at during half time. You could see it coming, but not in the manner it did. When the ref doesn't even know the laws of the game then you are stuffed.

This was a game we couldn't afford to lose really. But we did.

Oh, and why does Robson-Kanu turn into Ricky Shakes in the last 3rd of the field, and why are we bothering to extend his deal when JPM can do just as good a job attacking.

I thought he was poor tonight, alongside several others.  How come Akmanawah got taken off - I felt he played a good game, our best attacking option.

a draw would have been a fairly decent result-3pts behind pool with 2 games in hand.It would be good to hear an explanation by the ref-but they dont have to do that,do they.

Taking off Amankwaah was a big mistake, he was doing fat Humphries every single time with ease.

He was our most creative player by far. McNamee came on and did fuck all, Robson-Kanu did his best to play like Christian Roberts.

As Batch said, I know he isnt and never has been flavour of the month but JPM would have done a better job out there tonight. Fuck knows why we want to extend Kanu's loan

i must have missed the games he (Kanu) has managed to deliver in then. He certainly has a better physical presence than McNamee (so do Munchkins), he has quality until he plays the final ball/shoot. Then he is gash.

Agree Amankawah was doing well. Strange one that.

Im bloody livid, Hartlepool worked out in the second half that if they fell over they got a free kick. Bloody stupid penalty decision, i don't buy a season ticket to watch some twat give the opposition a penalty in the 90th minute when no one appeals for it, or has a clue what he's about to do. It's got to be a clear penalty at that point in the game with equal teams, not something as simple as Ifil lifting his foot and a player going down low to head it especialy when there wasn't even any contact made and the player himself doesn't appeal for it. Stupid thing is we can't get those three points back, everyone knows it was an awful decision but nothing can change the score at the end of the day, which makes it even more bloody annoying.

I've also come to the conclusion that Jamie Vincent definitely has a left foot shaped like a 50 pence piece.

We lost - Booo. Damn mobile had it as 0-0 a good 20 minutes after it should've finished. I arrive home to this. Shit.

Everything is crap!

Definitely itchy bum time...

on the penalty, the laws of the game do allow for a direct free kick or penalty to be awarded for high feet, just not very often (in fact today being one of a handfull of instances I've ever seen).  That mere possibility makes Ifils challenge just as stupid as his general play for the entire 2nd half where he was a clueless fuckwit.  Giving a ref who was intent on penalising eveything, any opportunity to award in the box was asking for trouble.

deserved to be 0-0.

Brezovan's goal kick cause us a real problem, which became very evident in the 2nd half.  They have no distance and float so the defence can set themselves to attack the ball and flick ons from our players become next to impossible and even if we do win the ball the lack of pace on the ball means our touch sends the ball straight back up in the air.  It caused us to be on the back foot so often tonight.  Such a simple thing, that shouldn't have such an impact, but with a team their size we struggled in that 2nd half to get the ball under control and out of our half.

Kanu was rubbish tonight but he wasn't helped at times.  McNamee cut right across him, bringiong 2 more defenders in towards Kanu and cut off every angle.

Bring last Saturday evening back please.

If ever there was a game in which both teams deserved 0 points, that was it.

That penalty decision seemed bizzare at the time, but I'll watch a replay before commenting further. Although the fact that not one Hartlepool player appealed doesn't look good for Mr. Hall.

Bring back last season i say. This one has been a total nightmare.

With Brezovan kicking he does not put his foot through the ball. He kicks under the ball which lacks distance but not height.

from a Hartlepool fans posting from his mobile

great result and a much improved performance. We had all the possession in the last 30 mins without creating too much and then the softest penalty in the history of the game won us the 3 points. A raised foot on four foot and 7th choice striker Sir David Foley which was a free kick at best on the edge of the box, the ref gave us everything and i will love him forever for that!

Where, or are you interpreting it as "kicks or attempts to kick an opponent" or "strikes or attempts to strike an opponent". I think that would be an extremely harsh interpretation and I genuinely believe the ref has got the rule wrong or cheated.

edit: unless you are saying there was contact, which I did not see - and would have been self inflicted by the attacker rather than the other way around.

Shit game really.

Was bored most of the time. First half was ok. The second half was shit. Kanyuka was piss poor so understand bringing on Allen but he just isn't going to get balls that are hoofed down the field. We always passed the ball to Macca when Hartlepool had 2 players marking him the whole time. Peacock is shit and needs to go now, he offers nothing to the team. Super Hamdi Razak should have come on, if not for a bit of physical prescence. Amankwaah was ace today. Robson-Kanu I didn't think he was that bad but he cannot shoot and sometimes gets a bit greedy. 0-0 would have been a fair result. The ref was clearly in their pocket to be honest and neither team had any quality about them today. Hey ho, we move on Roll on Tranny!

Hard to pick out decent performances from that. Greer was solid at the back and I do like the way he looks for the ball. Just a shame it was often wasted when played out from the back.

Amankwaah had a decent game. He looks like he is slow and trudges around, but is deceptive because he does have the pace to beat players (and did). Put some good balls in, so well done Kevin, you did well.

Cox ran his arse off and looked like he gave a fuck. Unfortunately that sort of meant he ran around too much and was hard to find on the pitch.

Other than that, some pretty stinky individual games. Central midfield did not look urgent and looked scared to bring the ball out. Kanu on the right did not work as well as Kanu on the left. McNamee had three men on him as soon as he got the ball (and thus highlighted the lack of midfield support).

Jack Smith didn't look confident, Vincent had the touch of a rapist and the delivery of an English seamer. Paynter couldn't get in the game and I think he should have held the ball up for support more.

Why am I saying this and not slating the ref? This is what I would have typed had we got  the draw. Bit of a nothing game we should have got three points from. Given our lack of anything and the referee's silly decisions, we've got fuck all.

I hope this gives us a kick up the arse for the games against other lowly teams.

Especially between the 85-95 minute :(

Ho hum. Whether or not we stay up will be largely determined between 17/03/09-25/04/09... But if we can't beat teams like Hartlepool at home (dodgy decisions or not) before then, well - It's possibly back to the Deva Stadium next season.

Blind faith or not, I still think we'll stay up*

* Decision may change if we fail to beat Cheltenham next week.

Doesn't have to be contact to change it from Dangerous Play, it can be a direct free kick if the Ref believed the player to know the opposition player was in proximity.  It's hardly ever given, but I have seen it before end in a direct free kick.  As I said, if the ref is giving everything it doesn't take a genius to understand you stop commiting any borderline fouls.  Not saying it would be given as a penalty ever again, but Ifil was playing into his hands.

Wrong, only obstruction in the box can be classed as an offense that can be a pen in the box but an IDFK elsewhere.

only becomes a direct offense if he makes contact with the attacker in which case it changes to kicking an opponent.


thats still dangerous play, or else every high foot with players 10 mts away would be given on that description

Who gives a fuck about the fucking ref?  We were completely and utterly shit that deserved absolutely nothing out of the match.  Hate the way the crowd were blaming the ref when the players needs to start carrying the can.  We've had three managers this season who have got the same mediocre to shite results out of these unless fuckers.

I'm not having a go at Wilson, don't think Sir alex could work with the useless bastards we have as a first team squad.  Only a handful should survive the cull in the summer.  I haven't been this pissed off after a match for ages.

Oh and my god Hartlepool were awful - and they won - laughable really.

Yes we were shit. But we were worth 0-0 given Hartlepool were also as shit.

you'd think some sort of motion towards the ball and offending high foot would have to be brought it to change it to dangerous play...

I meant that several of them had a poor game tonight, I have not seen anything in Kanu to get excited about!

Yep, some sort of intent for it to be dangerous, rather than just sticking a boot in the air.  It wasn't, in pretty much everyones opinion, but it still allows a stupid ref the scope.

That's not how the Laws read,


Ifil was playing like a prize dong for much of the second half. And the amount of free kicks we gave away around the box was unbelievable.

Agreed

That,unfortunately,is becoming more and more obvious each game

i can see where you're coming from...on that basis i think most attempts to kick a ball should be outlawed...atleast we'd end up with 11 "men" on the pitch after each game

No, the player would have to be in very close proximity and the ref would have to believe the defender was trying to be dangerous as opposed to his actions simply being dangerous.  It's not an iterpetation that fits with tonight, but it's not black and white, and when a ref is intent on blowing up every 20 secs you run the risk.

It's not that being in the box is the issue, that offence can be a direct free kick anywhere on the field and I have seen it given more than once.

who's going to forward this to the FA fao Mr A Hall (could possible be pronounced Hole)

Agree with Jan and Nemo. I'd deduct points from both teams for bringing the game into disrepute by being utter shite and make the ref physically eat a rule book before sending him to referee IDF V Hamas "friendlies". He was as clueless as everyone has said but we got exactly what we deserved from that game - nothing.

the ball bounced up and Ifil booted is clear because we were under pressure.

thats as complicated as it gets, Ifil kicked the ball.

None of this dangerous play shite, or whether a player was close to him. Ifil got punished for kicking the ball.

Worst fucking decision I have ever seen and I saw us sign Aaron Brown!!

Batch, the rules on direct free kick also mention dangerous, and Ref's are given guidance notes beyond the text of those laws.  Ultimately they are allowed an "opinion" on whether the play was dangerous or whether the player was trying to be dangerous (or something like that).  high feet ends up as indirect 99.99% of the time, and if no contact is made it's hardly ever anything but indirect.  If the ref thought you were sticking the boot up knowingly trying to impede a player, rather than just an attempt to clear the ball, then he can use the Direct Free kick.  As I've said, tonight's challenge should have been Indirect, the ref was wrong, but Ifil should not have offered him the opportunity in the first place.  We could still have conceeded from a free kick, just as Brez could and possibly should have saved the penalty.

you're forgetting it was outside the box dv

So your introducing a brand new law, direct free kicks for purposely creating Dangerous play; indirect free kciks for accidental dangerous foul play.

You know how wrong that is? whether you are purposely doing it or not, its always indirect.

bored of explaining now

doesnt matter if it was on the fucking moon.

In football you are allowed to kick the ball.

I can't see the word dangerous in the direct free kick section, but I'll leave it there Rob. It doesn't matter now, it's done.


I agree, but you could so how it could be argued his boot was high thus preventing an attacker heading the ball.

I DONT SEE THE RULE WHERE IT SAYS YOU ARENT ALLOWED TO KICK THE FUCKING BALL.

I'll calm down eventually

It would be stupid to press the panic button just yet, when things are still very much in our own hands.  But we've been cocking around at the foot of the table for far too long now.  Commendable away draws are only any good if we're averaging a minimum of 2 points per game at home.

I am worried.  We need a run of results (and not just an unbeaten run, but a run that includes a win at least every other game), and soon.  If we do stay up this year, I have a feeling it's going to be close.  The thought that Rovers might send us down makes me feel nauseous...so I sincerely hope we have survival wrapped up by then.

Well Ardiles, we have a very tricky game Saturday, followed by our bogey team Cheltenham, followed by Franchise.

Not panicking, but times are tough and like you Rovers and Posh in our last 2 make me nervous.

Can we get Invincibile back on loan for the Posh game?

We have a "no excuses" run coming up. Disregard form, stats, history. After Leeds we have a run where we play Southend, Hereford, Northampton, Yeovil, Crewe, Brighton, Orient, Carlisle and Bristol Rovers. Can't get through that then we can have no complaints (except - why and how did we let this happen!?!)

If players want new contracts and Simon Cox wants a big move then they better get it sorted! I hate seasons like this.

We were giving away stupid freekicks all night long.

Nothing gets my goat quite like watching as a Town player foul an opposition attacker who is chasing a ball back towards his own goal.

We do seem to have serious problems with home games. The crowd are not motivated and this reflects back on the players. Obviously there is no excuse for lazy play, but it is difficult to actually force our players to work hard if they dont want to.

Some were saying it was a strange decision to take Amankwaah off? He was very good for the first half, but for some reason on about 30 minutes he simply stopped playing, he became a complete passenger, not moving at all. He should have come off at HT. McNamee comes on, but he cant be bothered if he doesnt have the ball either.

I fell sorry for Wilson. He takes Paynter off because he knows that Peacock will give 100% and Paynter wont. But Paynter has to stay on because he does have that goal hangers knack.

Robson Kanu drives me mad. Hes got sublime control and touch. But how many passes did he complete tonight? How many decent crosses? How many shots on target? Yes he can trap a ball from 60 yards up in the air, but can he do anything USEFUL with it? NO!

Cox was the only player who didnt let his standards drop.

Brief word about the ref. He ruined the game with incessant whistles for nothing contact (I wouldnt even call some of them challenges or tackles) all night. Hate to say it but we should have taken a tumble in the box ourselves. It is so sad that we have refs like this who have been encouraged to blow up for every minor infringement. It was reffed like a spanish game, and as such it had the same tempo (with a lot less skill). Basically an awful game. I would rather have flushed a £20 note down the toilet than watch that again.

Football can leave you on the ceiling and it can leave you on the floor. Obviously I am gutted that a relegation rival has been handed 3 precious points. But Im depressed about the standard as well.

Shocked and depressed.






And stop wearing shitty 3rd kits! Your colours are white and blue Hartlepool!!!!!

That hacked me off, we were gutless, as were they, and then the ref kicked us whilst we were down.

We were good for a point but I'd hoped and been led to believe for so much more.

I'm not going on Saturday, I hope the passion gets back into the players and they come out fighting on Tuesday, I'm not sure I would deal very well with losing to Cheltenham. Again.

I think we are down, I have not seen anything this season to suggest we can stay up. Teams around us are picking up good points and winning 1 in 3, we get the odd point here and there.

The squad is full of shite from top to bottom. You can change the odd player here and there but all you are doing is shoveling shit from one pile to another. Too many players play well 1 in 6 games and they are not good enough to have that consistancy required.

it,s a funny old game

highlights on SSN after the break if anyone wants a second look

Thanks for that, I'll watch it.

i take it we were pretty rubbish in terms of alot of things today then?

Where has the belief that the players must have had on saturday gone,in 72 the belief just cant go for no reason!

i think coxy is trying hard in everygame because well he wnats to play in the championship and if a team is playing crap and he is playing his arse off he's going to be noticed,regardless of how prolific he is infront of goal.

i cant see why people are having fits though about the form being crap because of one game! its one game for christs sake, i wasnt there but all i want to say is weve lost 1 in 6, and 4 of those were against top 6 opposition!

Im usually a pessimist but people lets stay optimistic, at least until the last day of the season! and then we canbe either one of two things..optimistic we'll win league 2,or pessimistic that next season is probably going to be another like this.

also - that heavy workload is coming now with sat/tues games, i wouldnt be surprised if some of the players are nakerd already...

I can only agree with what has already been said.

On the brightside (There is one, honest!), I thought Amankwaah was very good, and some of our build up play was okay in the first half. The one thing that I hate though is that not one of our centre mids ever look for the ball......Their movement is non-existent! Thus why we keep cuntin hoofin the ball!

And please can we do away with the full time text messages BBC Swindon recieve......Some of our supporters are right fuckin mongs! Some of the texts read out are cringe worthy to say the least......

Oh and the ref's a wanker..........

Here come highlights on SSN.

Or should that be lowlights?

Whilst in all probability the ref made the wrong decision with the penalty, lets not be distracted from the fact that we were shit and a number of players were unbelievably shit.

Ifil had another (at best) average game and then adds one of his regular fuck ups to give the penalty away. Whether it was a penalty or not, putting your boot that high in or near the penalty area is just stupid and asking for trouble.

I reckon we would of done better playing without Robson-Kanu and going with 10 players instead. His crosses were shit, his shooting was shit, his all round play was shit. McNamee has his faults but at least he creates a few good chances every time he plays which is more than Robson-Kanu has achieved in all his games for us.

Whilst Allen looked like a little kid who was totally out of his depth and didn't do a single thing right.

My biggest criticism is for Danny Wilson. What the fuck was he thinking with the substitutions? McNamee should have come on for Robson-Kanu with Allen and Peacock staying on the bench rather than taking players off that were actually have ok games.

I'm also mystified by his choice of substitutes, why does he not have a forward there? I like Peacock but he is not an out and out forward, he's fine if you need an attacking midfielder or a forward that drops off the main striker.

We were fucking shit tonight and got exactly what we deserved - fuck all.

Fucks sake, SSN didn't even show anything.

This is it though. If you dont keep momentum it can just all hinge on one game. Just like it did last time we were relegated. Wish we could forget it like we werent there, but can we?

Im not so alarmed at our form. But I am alarmed at the amount of points teams below us are picking up.

There is no probability about it. The Ref was fucking wrong


That is utter gash, the ball bounced infront of Ifil and he put his boot through it to clear it. How the hell is that a fuck up. He kicked the fucking ball for christ sake.

You tell 'em DV. Vent on!

Before this recent 'run' (27th Jan) we were 2 points off the bottom 4, we are now 1. So this series of results has made our position worse. A defeat on Sat and we could be 3rd from bottom, then the season is out of our hands.

SSN didn't even fucking show highlights.

Maybe he kicked it too hard. Could've took some of the stitches out that those little africans didnt sew in properly...


that was the highlight.

Thank fuck.

I wanted to see the cocky decision, I'm in the TE so pretty much saw fuck all.

Sad isnt it

We've fallen so far that we dont even get highligts at twenty to mid night on a Tuesday yet - Peterborough, Southend, Scunthorpe, Oldham, Bristol Rovers, Crewe and Yeovil do...

I was enjoying the renewed positivity. Oh well easy come easy go.

...or they haven't obtained the footage yet.

It will be back next game we win

win one - mid table
lose one - relegated

re jerk knee action

reckon the ref took it home with him, one to show the grand kids maybe?

think he took the 3 points with him as well, cunt.

It doesn't matter whether he made contact with the ball or not - his foot was high, at least chest height. When you do that with an opposing player near to you it doesn't matter whether you get the ball, the player or nothing - it is dangerous play and a free kick.

So you'd rather Ifil let it bounce inside our area. Bollocks, the ball was bouncing and was there to be cleared, Ifil cleared it. Clearence like that must happen loads of times in every single game. Ifil cleared the ball - that was all.

matters if you make contact with the player or not though...
chest height is nothing though, how many players head the ball at chest height?

Well letting it bounce and not raising his foot would have been a far better option than raising his foot, giving away a penalty and losing us a point. You're right that its the sort of thing that happens in every game and it isn't always penalised, but if you put your foot up high you're always running the risk and its a risk he didn't need to take.

I thought it was dangerous and a free kick.

Well I thought it was fine and the ref was a fucking joke and that was never a penalty in a million fucking years and was probably the worst decision I have seen in 20 years

Fair enough, but its IDFK not a pen then. i think it was a fine clearance and i havn't seen it  8)

I wasn't able to listen to the radio on the way home, did Wilson or any of the players or the referee explain the decision?

What did he give it for?
Was there contact?
Was it inside or out?
Did he say dangerous play or kicking an opponent?
Did he say why it was a penalty and not a indirect free kick?

Basically Wilson said the rules of the game state is should have been an indirect free kick, so the ref needs to check up on the rules.

He said we were poor but deserved a point, we were robbed.

He wasnt going to speak to ref because it wont change anything but the ref was wrong. Wilson said the ref would probably try to justify the decision to Wilson because he has to, but it will be wrong.

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Ref signalled at the time it was for high foot
The only contact was Ifil foot and the ball
It looked close so could have been inside or outside the box
I dont think it was dangerous play as it wasnt that high and Foley didnt even go in for it
It was a penalty because the ref doesnt have a clue and doesnt know the rules. Although I must admit untill Wilson mentioned it in his interview I didnt know that was the case, but I'm not a referee.

*Official Rules*

Indirect Free Kick
An indirect free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a goalkeeper,
inside his own penalty area, commits any of the following four offences:
• controls the ball with his hands for more than six seconds before
releasing it from his possession
• touches the ball again with his hands after he has released it from
his possession and before it has touched another player
• touches the ball with his hands after it has been deliberately kicked
to him by a team-mate
• touches the ball with his hands after he has received it directly from
a throw-in taken by a team-mate
An indirect free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if, in the
opinion of the referee, a player:
• plays in a dangerous manner• impedes the progress of an opponent
• prevents the goalkeeper from releasing the ball from his hands
• commits any other offence, not previously mentioned in Law 12,
for which play is stopped to caution or send off a player
The indirect free kick is taken from the place where the offence
occurred (see Law 13 – Position of Free Kick).

to be fair we didnt deserve much from that game! we were pretty woeful!

I wonder if its too late to back out for Tranmere...

I'd be interested in whether any of the players or Wilson or anyone pointed out the error at the time to the ref.

I'd have thought Wilson would have been within his rights to call the ref over and discuss it, but he didn't.

I doubt any of the players knew about the rules either, judging by the way they acted.

probably spoke to the 4th official...cant believe for a moment that if he knew the rule at the time of te incident who wouldnt have spoke to anyone...


if he read the rules as he got back to the changing room or one of teh backroom staff said the ref had messed up then fair enough. but something should have been said at the time if teh rules were known

o well,just look forward i guess the game has been and thankfully gone

This is a joke, the technical offenses are indirect freekicks, the punitive offenses are direct free kicks. 

For misconduct an indirect free kick may be awarded in the event that there is not a punitive offense as part of the misconduct, and the ball is not out of play.  An example would be two team mates engaging in a fight.  The restart of play would be an indirect free kick to the opposing team, after the fighting players had been awarded red cards.

Answers on a postcard please, when was the last time a penalty was awarded for dangerous play in a professional game of football.  Alternatively, the Guiness Book of Records should be contacted.


Yes, I am a referee.

Beeb says it was Andy Hall reffing, is that the shortish ginger chap? He's usually alright.

my dad's match report via text. 'final score 0 1. Dreadful game lacking any football, skill, passion and to cap it all the ref awarded them a penalty in injury time for foot up outside the box we think'.

Woke me up at 3.30 ish this morning and ruined my evening.

Ask the ref and he's bound to say he's given it for attempting to kick a player. Or similar. Clearly bollocks, we all know that.

I hope the asseser in the stands sees the correct decision was not made

We were awful, and you can't blame the ref for all the failures that were wearing red shirts last night.
WTF are Kanyuka & Amankwaah doing in midfield?

The first half was two rubbish but solid teams with little creativity and skill, except for some good bursts and crosses from Amankwah. What worried me most was the way we played second half, most passes and headers misplaced, dropping further and further back, and Ifil went to pieces even before the so-called penalty. This was real relegation form i'm afraid.

Physical presence to protect the back 4. Ain't pretty but has worked at the expense of a bit of craft.


Totally agree with all of this. Even more worrying is a) Hartlepool were just as bad as us and were there for the taking, b) We have done well against the top teams, but signs so far are we don't have the stomache for the battle against the teams around us. Just have to hope that yesterday was an isolated shitfest.

There was a 10 second clip on SSN this morning. I refuse to call it highlights. From what I saw:

- Ifil's foot was high - head high on the striker - but he clearly made contact with the ball first. The striker put his head in, but wouldn't have seen Ifil's foot as he was doing so.
- Ifil's standing foot was definitely in the area.
- Not much in the way of appeals from Hartlepool.
- Didn't see where the ref was in relation to the incident to be honest.
- Poor penalty that squirmed under Brez's body.

Of course that is just my opinion based on what I could see on TV. Poor decision IMHO.

Moving on, we need a result Saturday, but more so next Tuesday. If we can't beat Cheltenham at home, we deserve to go down.

oh another point i'd like to make - kanyuka plays holding midfield? why when we have the ball does he bomb off up front to leave timlin as the person who gets to the second ball? surely it should be the other way around?

On reflection after a night to sleep on it, what really worries me about last night is the lack of energy. Now I'm really hoping that's just the usual complacency/failure to get up for lower sides etc, but with at the start of a run of back-to-back Tuesday/Saturday games, I'm worried it's just that they're not fit enough to play two games a week. So for once I find myself hoping that they just weren't good enough/couldn't raise the interest, because if it is lack of fitness, we're going to be proper in the crap come the end of March.

Welll my that was pretty crap TBH.

Our Defence didnt look like we were going to concede but our attack didnt look like we could have scored if we played all night.

Cox looked up for it, as did Macca when he came on, Manks....1st half looked good running at them 2nd half we never used him at all.

Greer looks confident and Vincent looked settled, Smith had little to do all game.

Ifil looked calm and good most of the game and won most of the balls in the air, a big improvement over the old Jerel last time I saw him a few months back.

Timlin, some great tackles some dire misstimed tackles and passes.

Paynter looked good early on till he got kicked and then couldnt get back in the game.

Kanyuka, I know hes been playing well recently but to me yesterday he looked lost in midfield, won very little and was not first the the loose ball which a good defensive midfielder should be.

Robson-Kanu.....my first sight of the lad..plays for himself not the team, has no interest in playing in better positioned players when hes within 40 yards of goal, cant cross but has good quick feet and a few tricks....Macca is better IMO and by a long way, Kanu can go back to Reading and play for a place there cos hes not good enough for us and if hes playing to be spotted by another scout then hes doing it all wrong by being bloody greedy when he should pass....but saying that his crossing and delivery is as poor as Ricky Shakes.....that says it all.

Peacock looked eager when he came on and had our best chance, Macc looked up for it and did some good runs/crosses but always had 2 players on him.

Allen, the lad was chucked in a bit out of his depth and looked like a boy among men.

Overall.....Hartlepoo were shit and there for the taking ..........IF.......we kept the ball on the floor and ran at them and got crosses in...but no...we hoofed the ball up and it never worked...poor tactics or poor player? dunno but it was shit.

Refereeing....one of the worst overall ref performances, didnt see what was wrong even if Jerels foot was high, very poor penalty, not the worst I have seen but one of them.

End of the day.....we werent good enough to beat a crap team.

Must try harder.

because timlin seems to drop short at every opportunity

I have been to two games this season, Brighton at home and last night. I thought first half we did ok, Amankwah looked a threat with the ball at his feet and tried hard (there was some twat in the DRS slagging him off after 5 minutes) generally thought he, greer, vincent, and cox obviously looked good the rest of the team were not filling me with confidence.

Referee was the worst I have seen, hope his car broke down on the way home - cunt

So in summary, I am clearly jinxed and will stay well clear from the CG till we are "safe"......

Well, that was bad, bad, bad. Both teams completely inept. Hartlepool came for a point and got 3 but they had more desire and were quicker in the tackle and attacked the ball whilst we watched it. Paynter was useless and his booking in the first half was absolutely pointless - a bit like us at the endo f the night. Timlin was doing stupind petulant little tackles. The number of free kicks we gave away on the edge of the box was annoying and asking for trouble against a team who were looking to nick it.
Robson-Kanu - worst game for us so far and was very selfish. Ifill was crap all second half. Hartelpool had done thier work as in the first half the long ball was going to Greer who mopped it up - in the 2nd they sent it Ifill's way.
We just weren't at the races yesterday.
We do seem to struggle against crap sides and a lot of the games to play are against this type of team.

Just managed to get back online...

How fucking deflated did i feel last night as i avoided the bloke with the camera and cut across the magic roundabout. :cry:

I was amazed how many people blamed the ref for the defeat.  He was shit and didnt give us a bean but we had more than enough chances to win...Coxys header wide was woeful.

Hartlepool had a game plan called project Stiffle and they snuffed us out and didnt really look to create anything themselves...they waited for a break and unfortunatly for us the Ref gave it to them.

Why didnt the Town players take heed of a ref who had a whistle glued to his teeth waiting to give free kicks? DONT FUCKING LUNGE IN TO TAKLES AROUND THE BOX!!!! >:(

Pools recognised what was happening and just got into areas and waited for the 'foul' and went to ground.

I was in the Townend and the pen did not look a pen....Town players didnt expect it and Pools players never appealed for it.....i will need to see it again to be sure but it seemed the ref waded through the players and pointed to the spot?

Timlin was brought down moments later on the edge and was waved away.....to me that was a freekick.


McNamee has to beat players and then cross it not beat them three times and then give away poccession......another Ricky Shakes without the physical prescence im afraid and a luxtury player that we can do without in a scrap. :doh:

It boils down to this:  Hartlepool didnt deserve to win that game anymore than we did.....we have to beat these 'lowly' teams to have any chance of avoiding the trapdoor - drawing at Leicester will not save us!

Cheltenham next week has turned into our biggest game of the season so far..............

If we can get anything at Tranmere i will be happy.

Look him up on Google!!

Then post again!

Spencer White made a very good point (mostly likely in this thread, can't be bothered to look it up) about Robson-Kanu. Fuck me, was he woeful. Great first touch but his final ball is shocking.

Ho yeah...........had a big ding dong barny with er indoors when i got back......icing on a very shit cake!!

A few people have commented that a high foot can in some cases result in a direct free kick / penalty which I'm guessing is where it was extremely dangerous, reckless, made contact with the player, viewed as kicking etc.

If that was the case last night and the reason the ref gave it, didn't he then contradict the decision by not at least booking Ifil as all of those offences are at least a yellow card.

That decision was just baffling but almost expected given the amount of stupid free kicks he gave to Hartlepool. I know we weren't great, but how are you supposed to play when you're constantly being pulled back for free kicks?

I was quite nervous about last night for the very reason that Hartlepool have been struggling recently and it's the type of game we generally lose. Why can we perform against the top, yet not the bottom?? Promising that we still did show signs that when we get forward we can play but I thought we were far too lethargic far too often. Defence was solid though, and would have had a deserved clean sheet were it not for a terrible decision.

You win some, you lose some. We can play better than that and, hopefully, we can for the rest of the season.

looks like i missed a load of shit then.i saw worrying signs on saturday that all was not good in all honesty.why the fuck cant easton get a chance?why cant jpm get a game? big lumps like kanyuka can do shut out jobs away, but at home that aint good enough.its all well and good grinding out draws and maybe nicking a narrow win on the road.but with the players he's using at the moment in midfield we are in deep shit.
last night was the perfect opportunity to take the game to hartlepool and they blew it.

I think that's what has annoyed me the most about last night.  We should have had a go at them last night, drawn them into the relegation battle, but instead we've given them a bunk up towards safety.

we certainly didnt attack enough, after Saturday I wanted to see Kanu and McNamee both start but in hindsight they were both shite last night.

Amankwaah was our most creative player and biggest threat. I dont know if thats because he played well or because everyone else was rubbish. Taking him off was a huge mistake. He must have got in behind the Hartlepool back line at least 5 or 6 times. Compared with Kanu once and McNamee never.

I know alot of people dont like him but would McGovern been any worse out there last night?

Can we still bring in loans? If so I'd like to see a couple of wingers and maybe a central midfielder bought in. No time to give others chances. We need points now.

Swindon                    Monkeyhangers
               Possession
46%                                54%
            Shots on target
 1                                     3
            Shots off target
 8                                     5
                 Corners
 4                                     3
                  Fouls
17                                    7

Were we that fucking dirtier than them - no I don't think so - mugged

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I know alot of people dont like him but would McGovern been any worse out there last night?
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No worse than Kanu. Whilst JPM has his faults he can at least at times cross a ball, pass  and shoot - rather than hold on to the ball and delicately chip row F of the stratton bank or threaten the Town End mobile coffee cart.

Wheeeeeey! you've read the rules correctly this time! (apart from the extremely dangerous, there is no such thing, other than serious foul play in which it'll be a red, which high foot clearly isn't).

and for all those who give a damn http://www.refworld.com/referee/139/0.

Those stats are depressing, having less possession and only just shading the total shots/corners is a disgrace against that shower.  We really are worse than I'd given "credit" for.

1 out of three ain't bad i spose.

Thats sooo funny!! and sadly so true - he was abysmal last night

I thought out bench was so poor last night too - it gave no real decent options except perhaps Macnamee - I would like to see Razak on the bench

On the JPM note he's not even in the reserve team today.

In McNamee's defence, we were absolutely woeful in getting the ball out to him. A few long passes went out his way, which were a piece of piss for their right fullback to intercept. There was a scary lack of creativity last night.

Also, their chance where their man just ran through a bunch of our players - Pat Kanyuka was there, following but not breaking stride. Did he even get a sweat on last night? Lazy cunt.

WTF? Is he injured/out for personal reasons,  or has there been a hissy fit?

Looks like Morrison is injured too, doubt he'd be a tactical sub after 17 mins!

I went up in that members suite thing last night and JPM was up there with the rest of the non-players - doesnt seem that hes had a bust up or anything? justt out of favour maybe?

anyone know the reserve team playing today?

bournemuff

the team whos playing not who we are playing! soz - talking crap today

Details here

http://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/page/Reserves/0,,10341~1569378,00.html

2 - 0 up at the moment goals from Easton and Macklin.

3-0. Macklin again.

Wonder how Easton played?

In line for a squad recall saturday hopefully?

Only half time and 3-0 up

Team is Smith, Thompson, Morrison (Morris 17), Lecsinel, Kennedy, Macklin, Nalis, Easton, Marshall, Razak, Joyce.

Subs - Antell (GK), Evans, Morris, Hyde

Thanks Bob couldnt be bothered to scan the official site

I want to see Macklin on the bench against Cheltenham, let's take the game to those Robin imposters.

Brez
Smith Ifil Greer Vincent
McNamee Easton Timlin Kanu-Robson
Cox Paynter

Subs
Smith, Amankwaah, Macklin, Nalis, Razak

Vincent can cover centre half injury with Amankwaah coming on as full back if Ifil/Greer struggle.

Id be happy with that team Jan - much more positive and attacking

Would like to see Wilson drop Robson-Kanu after last night, His delivery and distribution was very poor.

For what it's worth, i thought we lost a lot from midfield when allen came on, allowing Hartlepool to gain more of a hold on the game. They pushed forward more and got lucky

The Paynter sub was the turning point for me, the ball just kept coming back at us.

Actually all three subs were a bit odd. If they were meant to turn the game our way, they had the opposite effect in my opinion.  Peacock for Paynter was the only half reasonable one. Peaks did have a couple of chances and made one or two defensive clearences.

Macnamee for Kanu whould have been my swap.

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ooh, revenge!

  ;D

haha good one Reg. And that picture pretty much sums up how I felt this morning too

It's been a puzzle to me all season as to why we're that bad. I keep harking on about the 05/06 season, but it's fresh in the memory....then it was obvious from the outset, we'd struggle, we'd lost SSP...replaced him with Cureton, who hadn't scored for a year. We had too many loan players...Roberts was out at the rehab clinic...and we had a dodgy board.

This season...aside from the loss of Roberts, and I suppose some might argue Aljofree, we've been quite fortunate with injuries etc. We've one of the better strikers in the league, and a largeish squad of up until recently, our own players...we've now a decent board.

In 05/06 we had the worst run of defeats in our 85 year FL history...yet we are now a point worse off than at the same stage that season as we enter the final third.

I know a lot blame Malpas, but the pattern has been maintained through Byrne into Wilson, of generally getting decent results against the better sides, and being woeful against the dross.  Throw in the maddening loss of points to very late goals, and it leaves one scratching one's head.

This is why I've been suggesting we're in trouble for a while...not because I'm over negative...but there just seems no end to the pattern.

This run of games v teams below at home does now fill me with foreboding....the likes of HPool Carlisle and Yeovil have turned up with either terrible away records, or chronic shortage of goals, and we haven't taken advantage..there's nothing we've seen so far this season to think it will change.

If it were early in the season at least you could put it down to complacency. But that can't be the case now since, as you point out Reg,  we keep on fricking doing it and we are over half way through the season.

We have stopped giving away as many idiot goals (yes, I know, last night...), but we keep on giving late goals away.

The only conclusion I can come up with is that they are a bunch of bottling gutless bastards  without the ability to have at the opposition.

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I dont think the amount of chopping and changing has help either.

Last season the team was pretty consistent

Brez, Comminges, Ifil, Aljofree, Vincent, McGovern, Easton, Peacock, Zaaboub, Paynter, Cox

then after injuries, loans, new signings

Brez, Smith, Ifil, Aljofree, Comminges, McGovern, Easton, Timlin, McNamee, Paynter, Cox

Brez and Smith have both had spells in goal

Jack Smith & Big Kev have played right back. Ifil, Aljofree, Kanyuka, Morrison, Vincent have all played centre back. Casal, Smith, Amankwaah, Timlin, Kennedy, Francious, Vincent have all played left back. McGovern, Amankwaah, Easton, McNamee, Kanu on the right. Easton, McGovern, Pook, Allen, Peacock, Timlin, Nalis in the middle. McNamee, McGovern and Kaun on the left.

 Not so sure about that DV...last season we used something like 34/ 35 players, changed managers, with a spell of caretaking....I don't think we are so different this season, the line between staying up and going down can sometime be very fine...with us it will look like points lost to 90th minute goals.

no no i mean when we get the ball and go forwards, timlin is about the only person who can actually pass (occasionally) in our midfield, him going short makes sense...but kanyuka going from holding to spliting the strikers (ohh-err) seems a bit strange, especially when he's completely apathetic about running back

32 last season
28 this season

of course using more players doesnt always mean more chopping and changing. Obviously you cant play the same 11 each week because loss of form, injuries and suspensions will come in.

Maybe its just my perception for the most part I thought we had a very settled team.

after watching Kanyuka closely last night, all he can do in midfield is pass it sideways to Jack Smith. He can do that but if that ball isnt on he will lose it.

does he flip out? i wasn't watching him that closely?

Everytime i see light at the end of the tunnel it turns out to be a bottom six side with a request for three points!!

If this season was a cup match you would be thinking our name was on the Trophy!

I am very worried!

Survival viewing from high altitude very simple, keep doing what we are doing away from home, but change what we are doing at home.

Losing at home to teams like Brighton, Yeovil or Hartlepool will obviously relegate us.  There is a mental barrier to winning the six-pointers at home, and more generally playing against poor sides.  The poor sides seem to dictate the game to us, but with the better sides we seem to make the opposition play below par.  Losing at Leicester, "it might happen, no pressure on the team (per Wilson)".  Losing at home to Hartlepool , something of a disaster (pressure to not make mistakes is huge, Malpas may as well be in the dug out).

How do we dictate the game to poor opposition, who will run and chase and try and nick something.  Possibly have have two midfield set-ups, so that 90 minutes of effort are put in for 45 minutes for two players, who are subbed for two players to do the same at half time.  We have a big enough squad to do this.  Also, Cox and Paynter running ragged isn't a good idea if there job is to score and hold the ball up. There has to be a 'minder' for Macca, Bobby Charlton needed Nobby Stiles.  If two or three players surround Macca, surely there is room for a "minder".  Macca seems to be o.k. for 45 minutes but not typically for 90 min.  The Easton of last season is now a necessity, what went wrong is it niggling injury?

The back four and front two just about pick themselves, that midfield does not.

Finally, lack of production at set pieces has to be a mental thing.  I am sure this has been worked to death on the training ground.

http://www.football.virginmedia.com/page/Football/League1/VideoIndex/0,,12555,00.html

It just makes me angrier!!!

hahahhaah how an outrage

i agree, i think

Its daves fat lezzer fingers apprently

Weak decision.

Didn't realise how close Brez was to keeping it out.

he proabably should have saved that to be fair.

I was in the town end as usual and for a second I put my hands up and started kinda cheering then noticed everyone was pissed off then looked and saw their players celebrating.  :soapy tit wank:

I did the same....

Anybody sent this to the FA/FL?

i'd hope the club would...

I've only just seen the footage.

Speechless.

this would be nice

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/sheff_utd/7915275.stm

From that report ...


... In March 2008, just a year after agreeing to developing the Hawk-Eye system, widely used in tennis and cricket, or a micro-chipped ball, the International FA Board - which makes the game's laws - turned its back on both systems.

It voted instead to experiment with two additional linesmen.

At the time of the decision, Uefa president Michel Platini said: "Either you help (the referee) with additional pairs of eyes or with technology, and I'm against technology. Once you start, who knows where you might stop. The 18-yard line, the offside trap?"

Spot on Michel. Next thing you know they'll be replacing football administrators with intelligent androids all over the world. Luddites rule, OK?

I can sort of see where hes coming from. The clearest case for introducing decisions from replays is deciding if a ball crossed the line or not - but once you have it for one thing there will be a strong argument to introduce it for other things and then gradually the game could become more stop\start... possibly also with more of those big screens in the ground which people then watch instead of watching the actual game right in front of them.

The best thing would be to improve the standard of referees, and allow them the opportunity to correct mistakes perhaps?

How would they be able to correct mistakes?

WHY THE FUCK DO WE TAKE A FUCKING STRIKER OFF WHEN WE ARE CHASING THE FUCKING GAME AGAINST TEN FUCKING MEN.


aaaaaaarrrrrgggggghhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!

Erm, this is the Hartlepool thread.

I dont care what fucking thread it is. Im fuming

Is a referee currently allowed to reverse a decision, e.g. a goal, before play has recommenced? It seems that they are under dogmatic "guidance" that once a decision has been made they have to stick with it. If the standard was improved and they were given less guidance maybe there would be fewer complaints about wrong decisions.

I see what you're saying...but why would a referee give a goal then change his mind by the time the players were ready to re-start?

The referee can reverse a decision before the restart of play.

we were bloody lucky to win last saturday.our results this week are of no real surprise.the initial lift from the introduction of wilson, that gained little is well and truely over.

Possibly because of advice received from a better standard of assistant referee? In saying before that the standard of ref's should be improved I meant it to include the assistants. In any case instead of the full blown goal-line technology or chipped balls etc. would a video referee, who was there simply for back-up at the ref's request, be such a bad thing? 

It worked against Scunthorpe.

Scunthorpe had 9 men though

....and there was more time left

We beat scunthorpe in spite of that change, not because of it. Had murphy not let the tame effort through his legs, and had their CB headed it out instead of into his own net would people have been so forgiving to see us with 5 men inside our own half when scunthorpe seemed totally intent on parking all nine men no further than 30 yards up their own half? No they would not. Thats what happened though.

everyones a manager

It was well funny when Wilson sent on Amankwaah every was saying what the fuck is he doing, one bloke in front of me half joked "maybe it'll be a masterstroke on Wilsons part" and then Amankwaah immediately scored!!  :soapy tit wank:

Amankwha didn't score. He was subbed and we lost 1-0

:)

posted in the wrong thread didn't I