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« Reply #13035 on: Friday, February 19, 2021, 12:02:00 » |
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28 goals, 167 appearances.
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70 of those appearances in the Premier and Championship, 84 his total appearances were as sub. 28 goals from 83 starts. |
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« Reply #13036 on: Friday, February 19, 2021, 12:10:22 » |
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look, I think if you get 10 genres out of him you are doing well. we'd take that now.
But you know what's coming ..
he's been out a fair while too, we'll see how he does at s Southend
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« Reply #13037 on: Friday, February 19, 2021, 12:12:57 » |
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I would have him back in a shot just to see Sheridan try and deal with him, now that would be a match made in heaven!
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« Reply #13038 on: Friday, February 19, 2021, 12:57:16 » |
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He was a good player. Too good a player for the league he was playing in.
That he has gone on to do nothing is down to his attitude, not his ability.
"Was" being the operative word. He has done nothing for years. Also you cannot separate attitude and ability. In elite sport, attitude IS ability and ability IS attitude. |
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« Reply #13039 on: Friday, February 19, 2021, 12:59:03 » |
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Also you cannot separate attitude and ability.
Well, you can. He was superb on the pitch. |
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« Reply #13041 on: Friday, February 19, 2021, 13:00:54 » |
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Also you cannot separate attitude and ability. In elite sport, attitude IS ability and ability IS attitude.
While I'd agree with you on that, you can differentiate between his attitude toward his sport which seemed to be pretty good and his attitude to life as a whole which was terrible |
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« Reply #13042 on: Friday, February 19, 2021, 13:01:24 » |
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Well, you can. He was superb on the pitch.
He was good from time to time, of course. But footballing ability is about consistency and discipline. They are important parts of someone's talent . He is not a good footballer. |
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« Reply #13043 on: Friday, February 19, 2021, 13:07:41 » |
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He was good from time to time, of course.
I'd say he was consistently very good, not 'from time to time'. One of our best players game in, game out. I don't remember him having a single poor game for us. Off the pitch is another matter entirely, but on the pitch... |
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« Reply #13044 on: Friday, February 19, 2021, 13:13:12 » |
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I'd say he was consistently very good, not 'from time to time'. One of our best players game in, game out. I don't remember him having a single poor game for us.
Off the pitch is another matter entirely, but on the pitch...
Exactly this for me too. |
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« Reply #13045 on: Friday, February 19, 2021, 13:14:17 » |
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I'd say he was consistently very good, not 'from time to time'. One of our best players game in, game out. I don't remember him having a single poor game for us.
Off the pitch is another matter entirely, but on the pitch...
This, otherwise are we going to claim that Maradona or Gascoigne were not 'a good footballer'? |
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« Reply #13046 on: Friday, February 19, 2021, 13:18:01 » |
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His ability to hold on to the ball while being manhandled by defenders was immense. We could really do with that now.
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« Reply #13047 on: Friday, February 19, 2021, 13:18:47 » |
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This, otherwise are we going to claim that Maradona or Gascoigne were not 'a good footballer'?
Also George Best and add Robin Friday who is a good comparison to Ranger, a great player who ruined a great career by being an absolute bell end off the pitch. |
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« Reply #13048 on: Friday, February 19, 2021, 13:50:11 » |
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His hold up play was reminiscent of the Chief. And for all the questioning of his character, his on field temparement seemed unprovokeable and tactically focussed.
My only questioning of his usefulness as a player would be, iirc, a tendency to make himself unavailable. Not so much because of Crown Prosecution requirements but, more whimsically, at the last moment for his own personal reasons. Not exactly an on-field problem but it's kinda helpful to be able to plan for a game.
No idea how he's currently performing but it has to be good for everyone if he is able to focus on football.
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« Reply #13049 on: Friday, February 19, 2021, 13:52:08 » |
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I'd say he was consistently very good, not 'from time to time'. One of our best players game in, game out. I don't remember him having a single poor game for us.
Off the pitch is another matter entirely, but on the pitch...
That’s strong recall for a guy who played half a season for us 7 years ago I remember him being quite handy on the pitch and always surprisingly calm - but I’m sure he must have had a couple of stinkers in there Ultimately his spell with us looks like it might end up being the best of his career - which, given it was 7 (seven) years ago and the guy hasn’t been signed to a professional team in nearly three of those years, I’d be hesitant to say he’d be much good now |
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