Nick Griffin

[sonicyouth]

fact is, whilst the bnp can be considered a legitimate political party - which is fair enough, this is a democracy - some of their policies are downright racist and it's undeniable that griffin has tried to incite racial hatred, perhaps not in such an extreme way as someone like abu hamza but anyone who says he isn't racist are fooling themselves.

off the top of my head, i thought the nazi's only claimed to be socialist as the country was so poor at the time and used as a ploy to gain power?

although i do agree that immigration is a problem and the country is becoming far too politically correct - i've got to attend a 'diversity' seminar at college next week, i'm 19 for fucks sake - there's no chance you'd see me voting for the bnp.

in my opinion, the next step from the bnp is fascism.

but i'm a bleeding heart liberal cunt of course  :-))(

[Amir]

Im not really sure why that is perhaps someone could explain?

Mostly down to those in control of the media(some will tell you zionists :smile1: ), who for whatever reason have deemed it sensible to hold back stories where white people have been racially attacked, which then inflames most people who find out even more than if they had just been told in the first place.  This always makes me feel like someone is doing this on purpose to keep us divided and ruled, but most likely it's the chattering classes thinking everyone should just 'get along' controlling the output.  

The Met chief was saying the other day that the newspapers seem reluctent to publish crimes that have been commited against black people(not necessarily racist ones), and he's right there as well.  The reason in this case is probably more that it doesn't sell papers.  The vast coverage of Damilola Taylor, Stephen Lawrence, and the recent trial in Liverpool give people a false perception that these sort of crimes always get the headlines.  Many are just ignored as they don't catch the imagination.  The first two of those was more to do with the families campaigning making them newsworthy if you ask me.

This is also the same media that has tried to convince everybody that there's a paedophile at the door!  Don't let your kids outside!  Yet most kids are abused by people in their families or family friends.  They have alot to answer for in my book.  Hope this makes sense :smile1:

I've got some nasal spray for not smoking, except it's more like mase.  Which is handy as it's kind of hard to smoke when you're incapacitated.

[Simon Pieman]

Nobody would have voted for the Nazi party if we hadn't arse raped them in the treaty of Versailles so much. This is a whole different kettle of fish.

[sonicyouth]

the bnp have jumped on the coat tails of fading nationalism and patriotism in a very cynical and underhanded manner. because of them, nationalist pride is considered to be racist and unacceptably by many.

morrissey said it best when he sang 'i've been dreaming of a time when / to be english is not to be baneful / to be standing by the flag not feeling shameful, racist or partial'.

[DMR]

I don't think I'd vote BNP but the notion that they're a group of thugs who go around beating up ethnics is dangerously overstated. Truth is there are many aspects to Nationalist policy that I agree with... stopping immigration, reinstatement of capital and corporal punishment etc.

We had some Israeli woman in for Social Studies this week and we were forced to go... to me that is forcing a culture on people who live in and hail from a completely different one.

Btw Sonic if you want a history debate, look at Nazi domestic policy... essentially socialist

[yeo]

I smoked fags on Tuesday and a few on Wednesday.None today though,im wank at giving up but im keeping on trying.

[Simon Pieman]

Capital punishment is so flawed it is not worth reinstating. Even with DNA testing it still won't be a good idea. Look at America - the courts are clogged up by people having trial and retrial when they are on death row. A lot of inmates are on death row for years as a result. I personally think prison should be about punishment not rehabilitation, but the death penalty shouldn't be reinstated.

[Towniegaz]

Think your right pieman. Its always better to have the opposition in site, so to speak. I too am pissed of with the PC shite you hear in some quarters, but this does not detract from the fact that that all members of our multi-cultural society have something to bring to the party and should be encouraged to do so. As far as I am concerned if Ashan Holgate and Aaron Brown are welcome here then so is anyone else of the same cultural background. You know MLK said back in the 60s that one day people would be judged "by the content of their character and not by the colour of their skin" and it seems to me that that day is well overdue!!

[yeo]

I don't think I'd vote BNP but the notion that they're a group of thugs who go around beating up ethnics is dangerously overstated.  

No its not.

Every single one a skinhead with a scorn.Have a look at their site every single one of them could be the missing link.

[lumpimynci]

Dave, a word.

It's not a good idea to throw about the word ignorant with such gay abandon, and then commit such an obvious politico-historical howler?

OK. Clever boy you know that Nazi is a contraction of National Socialist. Glad the GCSE history class wasn't a complete waste of time and money.

Does that make them socialists? Well. Did they support a policy of democratic, ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange? (That's the factories, shops and banks).

That's a rhetorical question. (The answers NO by the way.)

The name's probably best explained as a bit of political spin. A branding that was required if a populist party was going to have any sort of mass appeal in 1930's Germany, where the Socialist Party and Communist Party membership ran into the millions.

It's true there was a proportion of the brown shirts that proposed to carry through a social revolution after the regime had siezed power, but that was never the stated positiion of the leadership and they were all "purged" during the night of the long knives.



Sorry if that sounded a bit patronising but the ignorant remark got my back up.

For you to use it, and then seek to defend the BNP as having nothing to do with fascism, Nazism is more than ironic, it's laughable.

Griffin's a Neo-nazi, his party is a fascist party. They might be trying to dress up their image as a respectable bunch pf politicians, but Griffin was deputy to Tyndale and was at all the rallies with the Swastikas and jackboots and the whole bit. And the skinheads who used to spit at old Asian women on their "papersale" on Brick Lane, (before they were run of it) are still in the party and cavorting around outside court on the telly this week, like the big tough men they wish they were.

They've not even expelled the "The Mad Bomber" who's name escapes me but has done two jail terms for firebombing mosques and family homes.

Dave for fuck sake mate they're not just racist scum, they're fascist scum. Shootings to fucking good for them.

[sonicyouth]

I don't think I'd vote BNP but the notion that they're a group of thugs who go around beating up ethnics is dangerously overstated.

stated where? perhaps you're misunderstanding the notion of racism that people are suggesting. racism has nothing to do with violence in my eyes.

Truth is there are many aspects to Nationalist policy that I agree with... stopping immigration, reinstatement of capital and corporal punishment etc.

there are other political parties who are against immigration, or at least want to control it more stringently. as for capital/corporal punishment, what a ridiculous notion. obviously it works so well elsewhere in the world doesn't it?

[Towniegaz]

We had some Israeli woman in for Social Studies this week and we were forced to go... to me that is forcing a culture on people who live in and hail from a completely different one.

How were you forced, did the Gestapo drag you along or load you onto to a cattle train?

[DMR]

Is capital punishment a ridiculous notion? Those 3 men who kidnapped, stripped, beat and raped a 3 year old girl last month weren't mentally ill, drugged up or anything, they were just scum. In my opinion capital punishment is the only logical deterrent.

I said I wouldn't vote BNP. I merely stated I felt that some of their more considered policies are worth standing for.

[Dazzza]

I smoked fags on Tuesday and a few on Wednesday.None today though,im wank at giving up but im keeping on trying.

Nice to see you reaching out to the Gay community Yeovil me old mucker.

What a waste of tax payer’s money this trial really was.

I'd have bet my balls he would be proven innocent but they’ve only gone and given a far greater platform to the man they wish to silence, in the process made him a martyr for free speech and with the publicity managed to insult more folks than a night out in Oldham Town Hall would ever have reached.

[Simon Pieman]

Is capital punishment a ridiculous notion? Those 3 men who kidnapped, stripped, beat and raped a 3 year old girl last month weren't mentally ill, drugged up or anything, they were just scum. In my opinion capital punishment is the only logical deterrent.

It won't deter people from doing those fucked up things. The person who knows right from wrong just doesn't do that shit. The person who doesn't won't give a fuck regardless.

Killing people as punishment is just as bad as killing someone on the street.