Brief thoughts.

[sonicyouth]

the fact remains that iffy's operating on a budget lower than king had in previous seasons.

[Ben Wah Balls]

He might not get the same success as King, but he doesnt have the same money or resources as King. King had a better wage budget, money to spend and the best player in the division in his squad. Iffy has a lower wage budget, no money to spend and no Sam Parkin. He has a different job, he will achieve different things.

If Iffy keeps us up, it will be a better achievement than King getting us into the play offs in my opinion because most people have already written us off, even some of our fans.

King had very little money or resources, much the same as Iffy has now got, let's not forget we were in administration for a long time, he also made a big profit on players. How much of the Parkin money did he have to spend, he only had arguably the best player in the division because he managed to buy him very cheaply.

The wage budget is not much different, if Iffy keeps us up it will be the same achievement as King keeping us up in 2000/2001 but despite the lower budget I think we have a better squad of players now than we did then.

Only getting into the playoffs would be as big an achievement as getting into the playoffs, resources are similar, Iffy's job is no harder.

that is bollocks ben.kings budget was much higher than what we got this year.and as much as you think king done well in signing parkin it was not rocket science he could of gone to northampton or us king didnt spot him he had been around already.he took as much a gamble on parkin as he did with sabin,opera etc but one of his gambles came off

It's not bollocks, they both have very very tough jobs. Opera was no gamble, he was on like £100 a week and couldn't settle so we released him after a couple of months, nothing lost nothing gained.

O'Hanlon was free. Iffy has not spent much yet but King spent about £40k per year, less than any manager we've had in decades and we got at least twice that back from Parkin. Iffy may be given some money to spend, we don't know.

[red macca]

oh fuck it.king was god will that do

[Ben Wah Balls]

oh fuck it.king was god will that do

My point was only that the past was not the nightmare some people were saying. Get behind the club now for sure but we've had some good times in the past too.

[BrightonRed]

League Form:

P11 W3 D7 L1
DWDDWLDWDDD

(I thought I'd allow a statistic to explain my current state of mind)

[reeves4england]

I think people think King was only here last season. In 03/04 when we were 15th I was confident we would do well and in the end we came good. King did well that year because in his time he had got Parkin, Smith, Evans, Mooney, Migs and others together to make a strong side.

Iffy hasn't had the chance to do that yet and to be honest I am not sure that he will do. BUT what we can hope for is that Iffy continues to get the team playing in their current form and that will keep us up. And given the position he was in to start with, I would consider that a damn good job,

[DV]

He might not get the same success as King, but he doesnt have the same money or resources as King. King had a better wage budget, money to spend and the best player in the division in his squad. Iffy has a lower wage budget, no money to spend and no Sam Parkin. He has a different job, he will achieve different things.

If Iffy keeps us up, it will be a better achievement than King getting us into the play offs in my opinion because most people have already written us off, even some of our fans.

King had very little money or resources, much the same as Iffy has now got, let's not forget we were in administration for a long time, he also made a big profit on players. How much of the Parkin money did he have to spend, he only had arguably the best player in the division because he managed to buy him very cheaply.

The wage budget is not much different, if Iffy keeps us up it will be the same achievement as King keeping us up in 2000/2001 but despite the lower budget I think we have a better squad of players now than we did then.

Only getting into the playoffs would be as big an achievement as getting into the playoffs, resources are similar, Iffy's job is no harder.

King had very little money, but still more than Iffy

Parkin - 50k
Fallon - 70k?
Roberts - 50k?
Ifil - 70k?

All except Parkin were signed due to the extra wage money available due to the 2000 extra fans we got in 2003/2004, when we got Parkin we had to spend a little cash at the expense of having a reduced wage budget, the wage budget was higher but we had a number of poor players signed by Colin Todd on far too high wages meaning the available money was just as low.

I disagree about the extra gate money, because didnt the board mis calculate something?

I remember before the start of the season we needed an average of about 6k to break even, despite most games being above that didnt that figure go UP the next season. I'm sure the board messed up somewhere, so it turned out despite beating the orginal break even figure we didnt make as much profit as we would have thought? maybe I've got that wrong.

I agree with the first part about the Colin Todd wages, but the last 2 seasons (4th and 11th) there werent any people still on Todd wages were there? Even the players signed in that era had been given new contracts?

"meaning the available money was just as low"

You dont know that for a fact! Where as the wage budget between last season and this was slashed, thats a given.

Wage budgets etc aside, Iffy has a different task. King the last two seasons at least, and this one had the chance to bring in his own players and build his own team. Iffy has taken over someone elses team, and in the process players he probably doesnt even want. That to me makes his job harder.

Coming in part way through the season cant be easy, esp with this window blocking any potential wheeling and dealing. We'll see what money he gets to play with in January first then decided if King had a better budget.

[Ben Wah Balls]

He might not get the same success as King, but he doesnt have the same money or resources as King. King had a better wage budget, money to spend and the best player in the division in his squad. Iffy has a lower wage budget, no money to spend and no Sam Parkin. He has a different job, he will achieve different things.

If Iffy keeps us up, it will be a better achievement than King getting us into the play offs in my opinion because most people have already written us off, even some of our fans.

Iffy has a different task. King the last two seasons at least, and this one had the chance to bring in his own players and build his own team. Iffy has taken over someone elses team, and in the process players he probably doesnt even want. That to me makes his job harder.

Coming in part way through the season cant be easy, esp with this window blocking any potential wheeling and dealing. We'll see what money he gets to play with in January first then decided if King had a better budget.

Yeah but it's the same as 2000/2001 isn't it. That is why if Iffy keeps us up I'll give him the same credit and that will be full credit.

[sonicyouth]

:wall:

i think that sums up this thread perfectly...

[Ben Wah Balls]

I think people think King was only here last season. In 03/04 when we were 15th I was confident we would do well and in the end we came good. King did well that year because in his time he had got Parkin, Smith, Evans, Mooney, Migs and others together to make a strong side.

Iffy hasn't had the chance to do that yet and to be honest I am not sure that he will do. BUT what we can hope for is that Iffy continues to get the team playing in their current form and that will keep us up. And given the position he was in to start with, I would consider that a damn good job,

Good post. I would consider it a good job too.

[DV]

:wall:

i think that sums up this thread perfectly...

Not really, I think its been a mature discussion and we've come to some sort of agreement.....

[DV]

I think people think King was only here last season. In 03/04 when we were 15th I was confident we would do well and in the end we came good. King did well that year because in his time he had got Parkin, Smith, Evans, Mooney, Migs and others together to make a strong side.

Iffy hasn't had the chance to do that yet and to be honest I am not sure that he will do. BUT what we can hope for is that Iffy continues to get the team playing in their current form and that will keep us up. And given the position he was in to start with, I would consider that a damn good job,

Id agree with that, but for as many people who only remember King last season alot of people only remember him by his good season.

He was never liked by everyone and had mixed fortune with us, but he did some good things and some not so good things.

The start of this season wasnt good, the 03/04 season was..

[adje]

Iffy has revitalised those players that were going backwards under King,namely Ifil,O'Hanlon,Nicholas Shakes and even Migz

[Spud]

Nicholas was one of those players who under K*ng would be sat on the bench week in week out when they should have been in the starting 11.

[sonicyouth]

precisely. nicho's looking better than ever and is improving still - why? because he knows iffy will pick him if he performs when king would ignore him for no other reason than dislike.