Redevelopment vote

[Batch]

It's "the trust" fault. And the "outrage hats".

How hard is it to have paid £20 and have a vote if you are that bothered.

[Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG]

I can't go on there. I'll fucking rage. Can't be dealing with it.

[Jimmy Quinn]

It really is chalk and cheese to this place😁

[Bob's Orange]

It's "the trust" fault. And the "outrage hats".

How hard is it to have paid £20 and have a vote if you are that bothered.

I do admire how you are going into bat against these people Batch. Its really really straightforward yet you've got dozens of people wittering on about the same thing.

[Batch]

I find it cathartic. It's utterly futile of course.

I'm 99% sure Rob Clarke is just a troll.

The best wind up I fell for was KingstonRobin in MOS, which turned out to be Sutton

[Peter Venkman]

I'm 99% sure Rob Clarke is just a troll.

Either that or he has serious mental issues.

[tans]

The other Rob reckons its perfectly normal business practice to be issued CCJ’s and that every club has them

[doversparkred]

So what is it that the Trust DOES want - if it’s not ground redevelopment, as per the club’s recent proposal?

(despite of course Trust members voting in favour, albeit by a tiny and insufficient majority).

I have never been a member of the Trust, mostly because I’ve always thought the shared ground ownership was a bad idea, and likely to deter the majority of future owners from wanting to get involved - especially having seen the outcome of this vote, and what happens to club progress when the fans decide they don't like its plans.  

We have created a fairly unique situation where we are wedded to an owner that it appears half of fans have decided they no longer like or trust. It’s easy to blame Clem for most things, but I think it’s actually a failure of the fanbase to allow itself to get backed into a corner like this.

For me the Trust needs to do more than demonstrate good governance and comms - which it undoubtedly does - it needs to demonstrate a VISION for the future that most/all fans can get behind. The 50/50 split on the redevelopment vote literally benefits nobody - club, team, owners or fans - and I think may act as a deterrent to potential new owners.

[Steak supper]

Of all the shit stuff that seems to have happened over the last few years, a county court judgment is probably the last thing to raise a wry smile .

 it's all a bit depressing at the moment .

[Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG]

We have created a fairly unique situation where we are wedded to an owner that it appears half of fans have decided they no longer like or trust. It’s easy to blame Clem for most things, but I think it’s actually a failure of the fanbase to allow itself to get backed into a corner like this.

Not an ounce of this is the fans fault. Not one iota.

We've been on a consistent diet of shit sandwiches for over a decade now, its just a shame about half of our fan base are happy to keep eating them with a smile on their face because an Australian bloke shook their hand once and wore a bucket hat.

[RobertT]

 likely to deter the majority of future owners from wanting to get involved -

Chelsea fans own their ground, entirely.  Have Chelsea struggled to attract investment?  Don't go down the route of them being bigger, a Premier League club, because levels of investment are also relative. 

While having real estate may well attract some investors, football clubs are hot property in several markets right now.  You do not need to believe me, but I know for a fact people have and still do show an interest in the club despite the current ground ownership situation.  The biggest challenge to outside investment is the clubs ownership situation.

Anyway, seeing this as a one and done vote is silly.  There are many of those who voted against it that could be persuaded even with the current ownership.  They need the right safeguards put in place and for the club to put some real time and effort into the plans beyond some concept art and a business case that looked like it had less than a day spent on it.

[doversparkred]

While having real estate may well attract some investors, football clubs are hot property in several markets right now.  You do not need to believe me, but I know for a fact people have and still do show an interest in the club despite the current ground ownership situation.  The biggest challenge to outside investment is the clubs ownership situation.

I would love for this to be true, but none of the rumours about new ownership have materialised so far, whether pedalled by those in the know or pure fantasy.  To my knowledge STFC is regarded as a poor investment opportunity among buyers, with “who wants to catch a falling knife” being a commonly held view.

[Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG]

To my knowledge STFC is regarded as a poor investment opportunity among buyers, with “who wants to catch a falling knife” being a commonly held view.

and why is that?

[tans]

Peoples lack of understanding is doing my head in

One bloke on fb just said ‘dont know why the trust bought the ground if they cant afford to maintain it’

I have now had to explain this is the purpose of the JV that club are supposed to pay rent to!

[doversparkred]

and why is that?

I don’t know, but I think buying a club that operates a JV on ground redevelopment with a fanbase that has a record of rejecting proposals could be regarded as more of a threat than an opportunity to a potential new buyer.