Redevelopment vote

[RedRag]

For me in principle I like the idea, its a (probably) needed upgrade to the County Ground.

If anyone else were in charge I would fully back but the whole funding thing is a major concern with the accounting mastermind Clem behind it all.

I trust (no pun intended) Clem with financials about as far as I could throw him.

It's what you might call Hobson's Choice.

I'm in favour of almost any redevelopment but fear for our future whichever way the vote goes.  However I vote will probably turn out to be "wrong" with Morfuni supposedly  at the helm.

I want the current ownership - whatever it is - gone.  However precarious, I would rather suffer short term to recapture a sense of direction.  My instinct is that a No vote will more likely lead to that, whatever the quite significant short term pain.  But will it?

[Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG]

Yes vote down to about 12%.

It won't be anywhere near that low in reality but I'm hoping this means it isn't particularly close.

[Batch]

Seems very unlikely they'll get 75% of the turnout saying yes

[4D]

The fans will get blamed and be called non fans etc. Blah, blah

[Batch]

Oh I'm sure we will.

Then unreasonable

[digby]

NO from me, and I added the following note:

The actual plans look fine, but I have no faith in the current STFC owner and leadership group to fulfill the project.

[Jimmy Quinn]

It’s a no from me based on the untrustworthy Ozzie. How’s Clem going to repay the loan to all concerned if results are poor, Ollie’s long gone and we’re languishing near the bottom of league 2 again and there’s no interest in the corporate boxes when we’re playing the likes of Harrogate and Barrow etc……..unless of course he has a plan B😁

[RobertT]

The fans will get blamed and be called non fans etc. Blah, blah

I think the "fans" should accept that with good grace as well - it's the whole point of us being part custodians, to ensure the club and ground have a long term future, not just be a toy some fly by nights can play with.  If you want to get your slice of cake from us, fucking make sure you engage and sell us on the idea, not a week or two or platitudes and keeping the details hidden behind your backs.  If it is a no vote it should be seen as a warning - work harder, see us as a partner.  I'd want the Trust to actually go public immediately to say we will vote again, and quickly, but the club should put in the effort to convince those who voted no by answering all the questions much more thoroughly.

[Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG]

I think the "fans" should accept that with good grace as well - it's the whole point of us being part custodians, to ensure the club and ground have a long term future, not just be a toy some fly by nights can play with.  If you want to get your slice of cake from us, fucking make sure you engage and sell us on the idea, not a week or two or platitudes and keeping the details hidden behind your backs.  If it is a no vote it should be seen as a warning - work harder, see us as a partner.  I'd want the Trust to actually go public immediately to say we will vote again, and quickly, but the club should put in the effort to convince those who voted no by answering all the questions much more thoroughly.

"You bloody drongo mate, I got you an open letter from James Phipps and Dick Mattick? What bloody more do you want?"

[ron dodgers]

Shit, I just thought I was voting on the plans not whether it could actually happen!!!

[Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG]

Shit, I just thought I was voting on the plans not whether it could actually happen!!!

Quick question. What about this ownerships track record makes you believe it would be carried out as presented?

Blind faith is my guess as I cannot fathom anything else.

[RobertT]

Shit, I just thought I was voting on the plans not whether it could actually happen!!!

I present Northampton Town for why some drawings alone should not be taken as a plan for development that should be green lighted.

[RedRag]

It's what you might call Hobson's Choice.

I'm in favour of almost any redevelopment but fear for our future whichever way the vote goes.  However I vote will probably turn out to be "wrong" with Morfuni supposedly  at the helm.

I want the current ownership - whatever it is - gone.  However precarious, I would rather suffer short term to recapture a sense of direction.  My instinct is that a No vote will more likely lead to that, whatever the quite significant short term pain.  But will it?

Have now voted No and have amended my Poll response from undecided/yet to vote to No

With a heavy heart - given that almost any development (inc. the proposed one) would be great.

But I have zero confidence that the project - run by Clem under the current hidden ownership - would be implemented honestly, competently, openly or beneficially.

[RedRag]

Bump.

Trust Members:  The voting closes at 5pm THIS WEDNESDAY, 11th JUNE.

The very worst outcome would be for apathy to be the decider in the Trust Redevelopment vote!

[fuzzy]

A no from me.
I commented that I thought redevelopment would benefit the club but that I didn’t trust the owners to carry out the plans successfully.