The Spirit of '69 and our Day of Action

[horlock07]

No Carlisle had a good manager in place at the start of the season Simpson - signed a sack load of players then promptly sacked him and appointed a manager who plays a style of football completely different to simpsons. They’ve now signed another sackful of players and if it doesn’t work out no doubt they will sack the manager. We’ve been a shambles and still are off the field but have a chance under Holloway. Probably need to give the owners a little bit of credit there.

I think comparisons between us and Carlisle are valid in having an ownership that seems to have little clue what they are doing, the difference is that they have the money to possibly sort it out, albeit as we know buying players at this level can often achieve sweet fanny adams if those deciding who to buy are clueless.

As for Holloway I'm not sure much credit can be laid at their door, it seems to have rather fallen into their laps with the added bonus that a) unlike the majority of our recent mangers he seems to have a fecking clue and b) he also seems prepared to stand up and be counted, albeit the cynic in me wonders whether for now at least he is being left to get on with it as if we go down he can then be blamed for the shit show.

[Berniman]

No Carlisle had a good manager in place at the start of the season Simpson - signed a sack load of players then promptly sacked him and appointed a manager who plays a style of football completely different to simpsons. They’ve now signed another sackful of players and if it doesn’t work out no doubt they will sack the manager. We’ve been a shambles and still are off the field but have a chance under Holloway. Probably need to give the owners a little bit of credit there.

Re Carlisle and them sacking the managers after signing new squads of players, isn't that exactly the MO of STFC for the past 3 years? probably explains why we are both in the positions that we are in on the field.  Finally looks like we might have appointed somebody with the experience necessary to give us a fighting chance to get out of the hole we are in. Based on what we have witnessed, i give them as much credit as I do a stopped clock for getting it right twice a day, it doesn't paper over the numerous managers that have failed in a very short period of time because they were either too inexperienced, not very good, or weren't given the necessary backing.

I have openly stated that I am far more confident of Hollaway finding a way to keep us up than i was Kennedy, so in the sense of that being our goal, then credit to club for bringing him in - the issue that you seem to be bypassing is the realisation that you seem to be accepting that, our level of goal setting is now set to KEEPING US UP!!  in league 2, and in a terrible league 2 at that, after our worst finish in our clubs history, does that not resinate with you?

I am more than happy for you, our resident Kiwi and any other people to wax lyrical about the job that Holloway is doing, sing Holloway's R&W army and all of that Jazz, but the point that you are conveniently missing, and the whole point of the SO69, is that unless things change off the field, then the success of Holloway, although very much welcomed and definitely needed, is largely irrelevant because it's not sustainable while the club is being run off the field as it is.

So back to Carlisle, the point is, they are not yet getting it right on the field, but they are starting to do things right off of the field.  Their foundations are being laid.  Whereas we are finally getting it right on the field, we have a managment team that can get a tune out of this squad which might get us what we need this season.  We all know it's a squad built at a club with crumbling foundations though, and most of us are smart enough to know what happens when you build on crumbling foundations.

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[Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG]

Re Carlisle and them sacking the managers after signing new squads of players, isn't that exactly the MO of STFC for the past 3 years? probably explains why we are both in the positions that we are in on the field.  Finally looks like we might have appointed somebody with the experience necessary to give us a fighting chance to get out of the hole we are in. Based on what we have witnessed, i give them as much credit as I do a stopped clock for getting it right twice a day, it doesn't paper over the numerous managers that have failed in a very short period of time because they were either too inexperienced, not very good, or weren't given the necessary backing.

I have openly stated that I am far more confident of Hollaway finding a way to keep us up than i was Kennedy, so in the sense of that being our goal, then credit to club for bringing him in - the issue that you seem to be bypassing is the realisation that you seem to be accepting that, our level of goal setting is now set to KEEPING US UP!!  in league 2, and in a terrible league 2 at that, after our worst finish in our clubs history, does that not resinate with you?

I am more than happy for you, our resident Kiwi and any other people to wax lyrical about the job that Holloway is doing, sing Holloway's R&W army and all of that Jazz, but the point that you are conveniently missing, and the whole point of the SO69, is that unless things change off the field, then the success of Holloway, although very much welcomed and definitely needed, is largely irrelevant because it's not sustainable while the club is being run off the field as it is.

So back to Carlisle, the point is, they are not yet getting it right on the field, but they are starting to do things right off of the field.  Their foundations are being laid.  Whereas we are finally getting it right on the field, we have a managment team that can get a tune out of this squad which might get us what we need this season.  We all know it's a squad built at a club with crumbling foundations though, and most of us are smart enough to know what happens when you build on crumbling foundations.

 

[Arch Stanton]

We must also remember that the Holloway hire was in no way a master stroke by Clem or anyone senior at the club. No praise or kudos should go their way. It was literally the club saying "now we're in the shit, what do we do?" and Bignot piped up saying that his best mate could probably quickly step in and do a job.

[Robinz]

Berniman...

You must have an ego as big as an elephant.

Do you really think you are the only one who can see what is happening here.

Yes, I hope Ian Holloway can keep us in the shit division.

The tyre will hit the road when this season ends.

The 4200 plus season ticket holders will be given the chance to either renew or not. If they renew Morfuni and his mates will continue to do what they are currently doing.

If they don't the club will possibly close.

That is why Bobs post is so relevant. What happens next ?    

Life is very easy pointing out what is wrong... the difficult bit is putting plans together to making the wrongs right.

I will ask again... what happens next ?  

[Robinz]

Further to my previous post... you don't need to convince me.

The 4200 + Season ticket holders are the ones that need to be convinced

[McGurk's Missus]

I was ahead of my time 😀

Clem's biggest fan, and everyone's second favourite Hall has spoken (on Twitter)

https://x.com/stevehallsyd/status/1881911649118138375?t=HqTRx8sIypVjz_d76Gmlbg&s=19

Right, I think I get the club structure now. Bad James noshes AFH off and SFH noshes Clem off. Unless Clem is in the UK and then both Bad James and AFH fight over who gets to go first.

I do hope SFH isn't involved in accounting. It seems numbers aren't his thing...

''Today, I'd like to welcome my very good friend Steven, who has been to my house. Steven will become the CEO {Chief Accunting Officer} and will replace Anthhhony's job of operating the Lottery Machine. Anthhhony recently admitted that he finds this part of the job very challenging and agrees that Steven will be much better. Mistakes happen and we continue to learn. Anthhhony is going on a distance learning course, which he will complete at home and involves a free abacus on completion. We wish Anthhhony well in this endeavour but he will continue in his role as CEO {Chief Enema Officer}.

Steven brings with him a wealth of... read more''

[McGurk's Missus]

Further to my previous post... you don't need to convince me.

The 4200 + Season ticket holders are the ones that need to be convinced

RNZ..

Bru...

You're like a fucken jandal bru...

Never seen someone flip-flop so much, china...

Must be back on the Janola bru...

[Robinz]

Please explain.

[Berniman]

Berniman...

You must have an ego as big as an elephant.

Do you really think you are the only one who can see what is happening here.

Yes, I hope Ian Holloway can keep us in the shit division.

The tyre will hit the road when this season ends.

The 4200 plus season ticket holders will be given the chance to either renew or not. If they renew Morfuni and his mates will continue to do what they are currently doing.

If they don't the club will possibly close.

That is why Bobs post is so relevant. What happens next ?   

Life is very easy pointing out what is wrong... the difficult bit is putting plans together to making the wrongs right.

I will ask again... what happens next ?   

I am not sure what is egotistical about my post, like Rafa Benitez, i am just spitting facts, but to put your mind at rest my ego is well and truly in check.  I was responding to a post from Bob stating that Carlisle were in a worse position than us because of what is going on, on the pitch.  What I was trying to put into words was what SO69 and this thread is about, the off the pitch stuff - this is nothing to do really with the on the pitch stuff, the on the pitch stuff will be the result of what the SO69 is trying to do, although Hollaway is doing a decent job of patching it up in the short term.

The answer to what happens next?  Well on the topic that Bob and a few of you keep harping back to, what comes next it the National League, maybe not this season (hopefully) but recent history shows us that this is inevitable.

The answer to what happens next off the pitch?  If SO69 are successful, Clem publicly puts the club up for sale and we see what interested parties there are.  SO69 have repeatedly stated that this is their only aim.  Until the owner publicly comes out and says that he is actively looking to sell the club then potential interested parties will not make themselves known.

The alternative is that we continue to spiral through this downward trajectory that we are in, we continue to watch the club operate in an unprofessional manner, we continue to watch the club be mismanaged, we continue to watch the fans be treated with disdain with very little communication, we continue to watch suppliers and support services not getting paid on time, we continue to watch the Admin errors occur, we continue to allow nefarious characters to remain associated with our club, we continue to watch the stadium crumble and certain sections get closed down occaisionally, and we continue to not get our bloody Bovril.

So, I don't really understand where the personal aspects of your response come from, i only mentioned you in your staunch support of Hollaway, which i made clear that there is nothing wrong with.  Just trying to make the point that Holloway is not the problem here and not the point of this thread or the SO69.

To quote a movie, if you build it they will come.

[Crispy]

Above players entrance, middle of arkells.

Is that not hospitality?

[Quagmire]

I am not sure what is egotistical about my post, like Rafa Benitez, i am just spitting facts, but to put your mind at rest my ego is well and truly in check.  I was responding to a post from Bob stating that Carlisle were in a worse position than us because of what is going on, on the pitch.  What I was trying to put into words was what SO69 and this thread is about, the off the pitch stuff - this is nothing to do really with the on the pitch stuff, the on the pitch stuff will be the result of what the SO69 is trying to do, although Hollaway is doing a decent job of patching it up in the short term.

The answer to what happens next?  Well on the topic that Bob and a few of you keep harping back to, what comes next it the National League, maybe not this season (hopefully) but recent history shows us that this is inevitable.

The answer to what happens next off the pitch?  If SO69 are successful, Clem publicly puts the club up for sale and we see what interested parties there are.  SO69 have repeatedly stated that this is their only aim.  Until the owner publicly comes out and says that he is actively looking to sell the club then potential interested parties will not make themselves known.

The alternative is that we continue to spiral through this downward trajectory that we are in, we continue to watch the club operate in an unprofessional manner, we continue to watch the club be mismanaged, we continue to watch the fans be treated with disdain with very little communication, we continue to watch suppliers and support services not getting paid on time, we continue to watch the Admin errors occur, we continue to allow nefarious characters to remain associated with our club, we continue to watch the stadium crumble and certain sections get closed down occaisionally, and we continue to not get our bloody Bovril.

So, I don't really understand where the personal aspects of your response come from, i only mentioned you in your staunch support of Hollaway, which i made clear that there is nothing wrong with.  Just trying to make the point that Holloway is not the problem here and not the point of this thread or the SO69.

To quote a movie, if you build it they will come.

Spoken like a true ego maniac.

[Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG]

Is that not hospitality?

I think its both. Those windows stretch a fair bit.

[Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG]

Spoken like a true ego maniac.