The Spirit of '69 and our Day of Action

[tans]

Yeah......whilst yesterday was fun and great to win, lets not get too carried away on building that statue for Clem just yet.

Quite!

[Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG]

Being well over seventy I respectfully object to being encompassed by the above generality!

Apologies and glad to hear it! Its hard not to notice that 99% of the Clem fan club seem to be from a certain demographic though.

[Robinz]

Strongly suggest that all possible insults are kept well away from any form of public media.
Whether "we" are 70 plus or 60, 50 or 40 and below we are all hopefully wanting the best for STFC.
 Important thing is sticking together.

[Bob1978]

Strongly suggest that all possible insults are kept well away from any form of public media.
Whether "we" are 70 plus or 60, 50 or 40 and below we are all hopefully wanting the best for STFC.
 Important thing is sticking together.

Good point - I look at this forum and the insults just put me off the whole orange hat thing. For the record I’m in my 40’s.

[DV]

Yeah, it’s the insults putting you off the orange hat ‘thing’

[dagrumpymunki]

Timing is spot on. As demonstrated 500 last home game.

if you followed the club you'd have seen there was an attempted protest last year that failed.

So stop pretending the protests have nothing to do with the league position.

If we were top of the league you'd have the same 15 moaning gets that hang around the boardroom thread looking for things to get outraged about.

[Batch]

Good point - I look at this forum and the insults just put me off the whole orange hat thing. For the record I’m in my 40’s.

Regardless of what "we" post on here, other than the So69 account "we" are just fans not ambassadors.

The official organisers of the protest have been extremely respectful of all views as far as I've seen.

[Batch]

So stop pretending the protests have nothing to do with the league position.

If we were top of the league you'd have the same 15 moaning gets that hang around the boardroom thread looking for things to get outraged about.

I'm not. For me they are linked and everything startsv with the ownership. I refer you to this:

For me It's totally about direction of travel on the pitch, because of the shambles off of if.

Holloway may be an effective sticky plaster, but there's been no change behind the scenes. He is just a sicky plaster.

There is a clear danger the club could go down to the cesspit that is non league.

[DV]

So stop pretending the protests have nothing to do with the league position.

If we were top of the league you'd have the same 15 moaning gets that hang around the boardroom thread looking for things to get outraged about.

League position has definitely been a catalyst but let’s be honest - people haven’t been happy with the ownership (….and the hangers on) since the end of the first season.

Kiely, Hart & Austin - their involvement , Karachi, the share transfer & admin fees increasing. Decrease in playing budget, letting players (McDonald) go for free when under contract. Turn over of staff, unqualified staff put in important roles / multiple roles. Ed Brand. Issues with kit suppliers. Not paying the JV on time, not paying policing & ambulance. That part of land in the car park, that fucking Mercedes.

I’m sure there are more glaring examples - they have all been contentious points discussed on here for the last couple of years.
…but to say the discontent only happened when we went bottom is rubbish.
Was it the straw that broke the camels back - to an extent, yes. Was the Camels back fine before it - no.

Trust had already said their bit before that too.

[Pericardinho]

So stop pretending the protests have nothing to do with the league position.

If we were top of the league you'd have the same 15 moaning gets that hang around the boardroom thread looking for things to get outraged about.

but we aren't top of the league, are we?

we aren't even in the top 7.

or top half.

or top 18.

Each year under this ownership has shown decline.

I bet those pesky Morecambe fans wouldn't be protesting either if they were top of the league.

It's almost like there's a correlation between these things.

Who'd have thought!

[4D]

We've had owners we've disliked before but they haven't had us in such a dire league position as this, getting worse each year. We want the club to be in a better position than it is, on and off the pitch. What's so hard to understand?
Same half a dozen whiners as usual.

[Pookemon]

For me it's not about who the owner is, many football club owners are dodgy as it's a self regulated industry with potentially enormous returns, which attracts gamblers and cash rich individuals - so if Clem sells I think it's unlikely we are going to get completely shot of unwanted characters in the background.

All I want to see is that we are getting the basics right, have a decent match day experience and see progress each year and we just aren't getting that.

I'd therefore be happy with Clem if he
 - employed a CEO with a service industry or elite sport background
 - employed qualified staff (even part-time) for activities such as marketing/finance etc
 - made sure that there was enough staff and stock to serve everyone, that wants one, a pasty/pint on every match day
 - put some stock in the shop to sell at Xmas
 - Has a sensible, clear, forward looking strategy rather than what appears to be a reactive, chaotic and ill informed approach to decision making
 - Learns from mistakes not blame others for them

Just stop winging it FFS

[Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG]

but we aren't top of the league, are we?

we aren't even in the top 7.

or top half.

or top 18.

Each year under this ownership has shown decline.

I bet those pesky Morecambe fans wouldn't be protesting either if they were top of the league.

It's almost like there's a correlation between these things.

Who'd have thought!

Fucking unbelievable the shite being talked. Really is.

[Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG]

For me it's not about who the owner is, many football club owners are dodgy as it's a self regulated industry with potentially enormous returns, which attracts gamblers and cash rich individuals - so if Clem sells I think it's unlikely we are going to get completely shot of unwanted characters in the background.

All I want to see is that we are getting the basics right, have a decent match day experience and see progress each year and we just aren't getting that.

I'd therefore be happy with Clem if he
 - employed a CEO with a service industry or elite sport background
 - employed qualified staff (even part-time) for activities such as marketing/finance etc
 - made sure that there was enough staff and stock to serve everyone, that wants one, a pasty/pint on every match day
 - put some stock in the shop to sell at Xmas
 - Has a sensible, clear, forward looking strategy rather than what appears to be a reactive, chaotic and ill informed approach to decision making
 - Learns from mistakes not blame others for them

Just stop winging it FFS

The links to criminals and us having issues like that due to a lack of pot to piss in are almost certainly related though.

[Bob's Orange]

This is a bit random, and I researched this off the back of seeing that York City are about to spend 350k on a striker. (if the rumours on socials are true - Josh Stones from Wigan) Anyway, I was interested to see their ownership details and on their board are 2 Canadian Billionaires along with 2 members of the supporters Trust.

https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/sport/yorkcityfc/23620164.uggla-family-completes-takeover-york-city-football-club/

Looking around at other clubs who have recently been taken over by wealthy foreign investment you have Walsall, Wrexham and Wycombe who are doing pretty well and then at the opposite end you've got Gillingham and Carlisle where it hasn't really worked out yet. (although I believe a lot of groundwork has been done at Carlisle re training ground/academy investment etc)

I'd like to think somewhere along the line we still may be seen as a club with huge potential for new owners. The money for Clubs appears to be from North America at the moment and you have to wonder if the Trust/SO69 have something up their sleeves. It's all well and good asking Clem to actively put the club up for sale, but there has to be viable owners for the whole chain to work.