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« Reply #585 on: Friday, February 21, 2025, 14:13:34 »

The lessons were learned at the time.  Establishment of NATO and (here) the welfare state are proof of that.  But memory fades over time.  There's been a noticeable rise recently in the proportion of the voting public who are comfortable appeasing figures like Putin - and I think it's no coincidence that this has happened at the same time as the passing of the last generation to remember WWII.  We're probably going to have to suffer a decade or so of fascism every 100 years as an unpleasant wake up call.  Before, hopefully, learning the lesson and rebuilding again.

Christ...I hope it's only a decade this time.

The set up of the European Coal and Steel Community was a reaction to that too.

So, yes I guess we learnt but have now forgotten.  Worrying and depressing.
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« Reply #586 on: Friday, February 28, 2025, 18:31:10 »

Trump and Vance, what a pair of shit biscuits.

The news is a goldmine for Butterkist sales I'd imagine.

And talking about disrespectful, they had some rambling idiot wearing a baseball cap in the oval office, surely the non-removal of headgear inside that sacred place is pretty disrespectful.

Vance was once step down from calling his momma fat, it was that kind of crazy!
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« Reply #587 on: Friday, February 28, 2025, 18:51:01 »

Vance told Zelensky that the Ukraine army was short and in disarray

Zelensky says ‘have you been to Ukraine to see’

Vance then comes out with ‘ive seen the stories’

What a pair of cunts Vance and Trump are
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« Reply #588 on: Friday, February 28, 2025, 18:59:09 »

Vance told Zelensky that the Ukraine army was short and in disarray

Zelensky says ‘have you been to Ukraine to see’

Vance then comes out with ‘ive seen the stories’

What a pair of cunts Vance and Trump are

That was a bit of a zinger by Zelensky. Watch his face/eyes when Vance splutters and eventually says he's seen videos, very telling. Internally he must be thinking, what a Douche blanket.
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« Reply #589 on: Friday, February 28, 2025, 19:22:10 »

A pair of fucking uneducated pricks come up against a leader who regularly visits the front lines, dead soldiers families, what the fuck do you he was going to react like!!!
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« Reply #590 on: Friday, February 28, 2025, 19:23:07 »

I’m supposed to be going to Florida later this year. Not sure if I want to go to Trump’s America.
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« Reply #591 on: Friday, February 28, 2025, 19:23:57 »

I thought Starmer's visit yesterday went suspiciously well. What a pair of absolute shit gibbons at the controls of the world. Lordie.
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« Reply #592 on: Friday, February 28, 2025, 19:26:35 »

But whatever Trump promised is just unfiltered bullshit. There’s even talk now that the Americans can’t be trusted with shared intelligence. What the fuck are we entering.
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« Reply #593 on: Friday, February 28, 2025, 19:39:50 »

Trump & Vance acting like spoilt children because they didn’t get their own way.

They thought they had Zelensky in check mate & he told them to fuck off, I’m not signing that.

Not sure how well it’s going to end for Ukraine though
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« Reply #594 on: Friday, February 28, 2025, 19:40:39 »

But whatever Trump promised is just unfiltered bullshit. There’s even talk now that the Americans can’t be trusted with shared intelligence. What the fuck are we entering.

To be fair, there are some great people over there. Don't let the lunatic running the asylum fool you. There are also some absolute nutcases and Florida seems to be worse than other areas. They do have the good weather mind.
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« Reply #595 on: Friday, February 28, 2025, 19:46:08 »

How we see things so very differently...

Facts are, if America had not gotten involved at the beginning the invasion it would have been over in a very short period of time.
On this occasion Trump and Vance were completely correct
Basically Europe can't manage its affairs.


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« Reply #596 on: Friday, February 28, 2025, 19:52:00 »

How we see things so very differently...

Facts are, if America had not gotten involved at the beginning the invasion it would have been over in a very short period of time.
On this occasion Trump and Vance were complete completely correct



You don’t think it would have continued as a guerrilla war, with Ikranian resistance mounting sabotage attacks on occupying forces? Ukrainians will never give up.

But, the real point is, if you are a world leader, you need to understand and employ diplomacy. These two are the worst of US society. I think Vance might be even worse than Trump!

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« Reply #597 on: Friday, February 28, 2025, 19:52:38 »

How we see things so very differently...

Facts are, if America had not gotten involved at the beginning the invasion it would have been over in a very short period of time.
On this occasion Trump and Vance were complete completely correct




Facts are if Russia had not invaded a sovereign state the US would not have needed to get involved.
Ever heard of NATO.
How you can defend those pair of fuck wits is beyond me.
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« Reply #598 on: Friday, February 28, 2025, 19:58:51 »

Posh..
Having watched the so called interview 3 or 4 times now.
What can you disagree with what Trump and Vance did and how Zelenski reacted.
Seriously, Trump was completely right in saying Ukaine is in a bad place and needs their help.
I am not defending any one here.
Facts are facts

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« Reply #599 on: Friday, February 28, 2025, 20:03:26 »

The only people who are suffering are the mum's, dad's and children of all the Russian and Ukaine people involved.
Everyone is suffering.
Hopefully this war will stop very soon
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