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« Reply #15 on: Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 11:34:20 » |
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Flint's done alright for himself since. Same with Caddis. McCormack also played in the Championship fairly regularly. It was a solid back 4 as part of a much more solid unit.
Goes to show what good fitness and discipline can do.
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« Reply #16 on: Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 11:57:52 » |
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I had a quick look at goals conceded per game and the table is a little surprising to me, the first figure is games managed the 2nd is average goals conceded per game, there are a couple of interesting ones in the top 10 with Beamish, Trollope and Hart in there.
I know its a bit simplistic and doesn't take into account division or points achieved etc but it does check out that Di Canio had the tightest defence.
Paolo Di Canio 95 - 0.80
Dennis Wise 17 - 0.82
Paul Sturrock 52 - 0.98
D Williams(1) 222 - 1.06
Paul Hart 11 - 1.09
Fred Ford 122 - 1.14
Lou Macari 285 - 1.19
John Trollope 121 - 1.26
Ken Beamish 68 - 1.27
Bob Smith 132 - 1.28
Ossie Ardiles 106 - 1.32
Danny Wilson 120 - 1.33
Roy Evans 26 - 1.34
Andy King 232 - 1.34
Kevin Mcdonald 14 - 1.35
Glenn Hoddle 120 - 1.35
Steve Mcmahon 204 - 1.35
Maurice Lindley 93 - 1.39
Iffy Onoura 40 - 1.40
Mark Cooper 125 - 1.43
D Williams(2) 227 - 1.44
Maurice Malpas 42 - 1.45
Dave Mackay 45 - 1.46
Sam Allen 1192 - 1.48
Luke Williams 62 - 1.48
Bert Head 426 - 1.49
Les Allen 62 - 1.51
Louis Page 369 - 1.54
Colin Todd 18 - 1.61
Jimmy Quinn 85 - 1.65
Martin Ling 9 - 1.66
Ted Vizard 285 - 1.68
John Gorman 72 - 2.05
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« Reply #17 on: Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 12:15:29 » |
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Who the fuck is Ted Vizard?
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« Reply #18 on: Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 12:22:28 » |
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Paolo Di Canio 95 - 0.80
Dennis Wise 17 - 0.82
Paul Sturrock 52 - 0.98
Covers the last two escapes from division 4.... Oh. |
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« Reply #19 on: Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 12:25:07 » |
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« Reply #20 on: Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 12:31:41 » |
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It's nothing new or shocking is it.... Italian manager has best defensive record (yes there are shocking examples too) on the whole Italians are pretty good at defending. If you have a solid defence and only even 1 playmaker and 1 goalscorer you WILL win more games than lose due to the sheer fact you set up tactically as 8-1-1.
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« Reply #21 on: Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 12:32:53 » |
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Flint's done alright for himself since. Same with Caddis. McCormack also played in the Championship fairly regularly. It was a solid back 4 as part of a much more solid unit.
Goes to show what good fitness and discipline can do.
Exactly. The back 4 changed a lot though, only Caddis was a constant there. We used Kennedy, Cibocchi, Ridehalgh and McEveley at left back, Devera and Flint were supplemented by others and as such we didn't really have a fixed regular back 4 - as you say, fitness and discipline can make a big difference. I wouldn't say Devera was any better than some of the current crop but had a bit of pace at least. The defence has declined massively since then but I honestly can't remember us not having defensive problems, a season and a half aside. |
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« Reply #22 on: Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 12:41:38 » |
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Exactly.
The back 4 changed a lot though, only Caddis was a constant there. We used Kennedy, Cibocchi, Ridehalgh and McEveley at left back, Devera and Flint were supplemented by others and as such we didn't really have a fixed regular back 4 - as you say, fitness and discipline can make a big difference. I wouldn't say Devera was any better than some of the current crop but had a bit of pace at least.
The defence has declined massively since then but I honestly can't remember us not having defensive problems, a season and a half aside.
Luke Garrard has got Joe Devera at Boreham Wood, so probably shows he gets lower league football. Oh and Ricky Shakes  |
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« Reply #23 on: Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 13:54:33 » |
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Martin Ling 9 - 1.66
Lee Power 3 - 1.66
Ted Vizard 285 - 1.68
John Gorman 72 - 2.05
Was hoping he would make the top ten at least. Not to be. |
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« Reply #24 on: Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 20:45:07 » |
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It's nothing new or shocking is it.... Italian manager has best defensive record (yes there are shocking examples too) on the whole Italians are pretty good at defending. If you have a solid defence and only even 1 playmaker and 1 goalscorer you WILL win more games than lose due to the sheer fact you set up tactically as 8-1-1.
PDC's team was good because it worked hard as a unit. Everyone knew their jobs and there were 'mini teams' within the team - eg Caddis and Ritchie. Fitness, organisation, planning. That Div 4 team would eat the current lot for breakfast. Quality at a price, yes, but fitness, organisation and planning doesn't cost, which is why this season's debacle is particularly galling. |
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« Reply #25 on: Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 21:03:44 » |
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Do we even have a fitness coach?
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« Reply #26 on: Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 21:05:39 » |
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Do we even have a fitness coach?
If we do they must be very very part time. |
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« Reply #27 on: Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 22:34:35 » |
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PDC's team was good because it worked hard as a unit. Everyone knew their jobs and there were 'mini teams' within the team - eg Caddis and Ritchie. Fitness, organisation, planning. That Div 4 team would eat the current lot for breakfast. Quality at a price, yes, but fitness, organisation and planning doesn't cost, which is why this season's debacle is particularly galling.
This is precisely what I was thinking reading other comments about individual defenders or even back 4s and 5s as units. Whoever the players were, we were so so difficult to play against under PDC - that was fantastic coaching. Unfortunately his coaching ability is overlooked due to err, other elements of his personality. Proper coaching, not just the high risk 'beating the press' nerdy stuff (if you're reading Luke). |
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« Reply #28 on: Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 23:26:41 » |
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Do we even have a fitness coach?
We have a sports scientist.. I'll let others run with that one (excuse the pun) |
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« Reply #29 on: Thursday, February 16, 2017, 10:14:22 » |
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This is precisely what I was thinking reading other comments about individual defenders or even back 4s and 5s as units. Whoever the players were, we were so so difficult to play against under PDC - that was fantastic coaching. Unfortunately his coaching ability is overlooked due to err, other elements of his personality. Proper coaching, not just the high risk 'beating the press' nerdy stuff (if you're reading Luke).
I think he had a very good coaching team alongside him. Not sure he can take full credit, but otherwise yes I agree. |
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