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« on: Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 08:47:07 »

Here we go again. It seems that Subway stations have been attacked as well as the airport.

Shit's fucked up.
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« Reply #1 on: Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 09:23:43 »

I assume Daesh will be responsible for this. Awful stuff
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« Reply #2 on: Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 10:58:18 »

The Belgium police were warning of a threat to their subway system soon after the Paris attacks...but they still couldn't stop it.
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« Reply #3 on: Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 11:14:52 »

The Belgium police were warning of a threat to their subway system soon after the Paris attacks...but they still couldn't stop it.

Im begining to think that this whole thing cannot be stopped. This whole operation is bigger than people thinks and taking 2 or 3 of the "most wanted" off the street is just a drop in the ocean.
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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 11:30:28 »

Im begining to think that this whole things cannot be stopped. This whole operation is bigger than people thinks and taking 2 or 3 of the "most wanted" off the street is just a drop in the ocean.

Your spot on,  this can never be stopped. Taking the generals out of action only encourages more to step into the breach.
In order to stop the bombs getting through you have to either have stonewall intelligence or stop and search all Muslims, which human rights activists wouldnt allow.
There are some westernised Muslims that are disgusted by the attacks by their so called brothers and do not deserve to be associated with them. They are the innocent ones as they will be associated with extremism because of who they are.

So do we ;
Admit we were wrong about Iraq and Afghanistan pay compensation to the countries affected and disrespect all the service personnel and their famines by doing so.
Or, increase our military and intelligence agencies and take the fight to the Daesh?

Ultimately i feel for the families of those injured or killed today.

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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 11:35:33 »

Im begining to think that this whole things cannot be stopped. This whole operation is bigger than people thinks and taking 2 or 3 of the "most wanted" off the street is just a drop in the ocean.

There hasn't been a terrorist attack in the UK in nearly 11 years. I imagine there would have been hundreds planned, so our counter terrorism units are doing something to stop it at least... but you're right, worldwide attacks like these will probably continue for a while.
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Flashheart

« Reply #6 on: Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 11:36:10 »

"In order to stop the bombs getting through you have to either have stonewall intelligence or stop and search all Muslims, which human rights activists wouldnt allow. "

How to identify them in the first place? They don't all wear sacks or have silly beards. Many Muslims are white and many Arabs are not Muslim.
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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 11:44:42 »

"In order to stop the bombs getting through you have to either have stonewall intelligence or stop and search all Muslims, which human rights activists wouldnt allow. "

How to identify them in the first place? They don't all wear sacks or have silly beards. Many Muslims are white and many Arabs are not Muslim.

99% of them have a common denominator, i agree and understand that you can't truly identity them as such.
However intelligence knows who are converts, whether they've been radicalised in prison or at local mosques. We too have moles hence how we know so much.
Going back to your point if your Arab looking to some in this country that means you ARE a Muslim which means you ARE a terrorist.
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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 12:36:25 »

99% of them have a common denominator, i agree and understand that you can't truly identity them as such.
However intelligence knows who are converts, whether they've been radicalised in prison or at local mosques. We too have moles hence how we know so much.
Going back to your point if your Arab looking to some in this country that means you ARE a Muslim which means you ARE a terrorist.

Only 20% of Muslims are also Arabs - around a billion Muslims live in Asia and 300 million in Sub-Saharan Africa, with the four largest Muslim populations being in Indonesia, Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh. There are also millions of Arabic Christians, so that common denominator might not be so common.

The issue, as you rightly point out, is that there is a large proportion of people in 'western' cultures who don't realise this and consider Muslim and Arabic to be the same thing. Unfortunately I don't think there's any way to improve that other than through education.
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« Reply #9 on: Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 13:31:25 »

Only 20% of Muslims are also Arabs - around a billion Muslims live in Asia and 300 million in Sub-Saharan Africa, with the four largest Muslim populations being in Indonesia, Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh. There are also millions of Arabic Christians, so that common denominator might not be so common.

The issue, as you rightly point out, is that there is a large proportion of people in 'western' cultures who don't realise this and consider Muslim and Arabic to be the same thing. Unfortunately I don't think there's any way to improve that other than through education.


Well time will tell if there is a common denominator, but from what i can remember the Paris attacks were conducted by a group of extremeists who by and large were all pretty similar! 
They don't represent Islam they're evil, but unfortunately they will tar all with the same brush.
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« Reply #10 on: Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 13:36:25 »

They do represent Islam, they're Islamic. What they do not represent is all Muslims.
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« Reply #11 on: Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 13:44:10 »

There will always be conflict in the World, the terrorists just represent hatred. Their lives must be pretty shit and miserable. You can't live in fear just enjoy life, something these twats will never understand.
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« Reply #12 on: Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 13:48:35 »

They do represent Islam, they're Islamic. What they do not represent is all Muslims.
They represent THEIR version of islam
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« Reply #13 on: Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 13:54:48 »

They represent THEIR version of islam

Well, yeah, but it all comes from the same book.

The extremists follow a particular interpretation of it, as do the moderates. Who's to say one interpretation represents the faith but not the other? Some of it says don't kill, some of it says do kill. Which interpretation of their book is the correct one? (I think they're both wrong, by the way)
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« Reply #14 on: Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 14:13:16 »

There will always be conflict in the World, the terrorists just represent hatred. Their lives must be pretty shit and miserable. You can't live in fear just enjoy life, something these twats will never understand.

They do enjoy life though. That's the problem with any kind of fundamentalism. As far as they're concerned, they're right. It's us who should be looking at our lives, wondering where we went wrong.

As far as they're concerned, they are making the world better in the name of Allah right now, or if they don't achieve that they will die, become martyrs and reach heaven. Assuming you're not under that delusion, what's not to love? You're not going to miss the odd wank or glass of Chablis when you're that far gone.
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