TRUST & SUPPORTERS CLUB MEETING WITH STEVE MURRALL

[Batch]

Because as anyone with half a brain can work out, giving your own players dogs abuse during the game is not going to make them play any better.

Actually, on one or two occasions it seems to have!

We've had nothing on the field to boo about the last 2 seasons though.

[DV]

It makes you a fan, we all question what the manager & players do from time to time.
What differentiates "the fan" from "the mong", is booing his own team when they make a mistake during a game.

Because as anyone with half a brain can work out, giving your own players dogs abuse during the game is not going to make them play any better.

Unfortunately, we seem to have quite a high proportion of "the mong"

I can take mistakes.

Hurled abuse once or twice at a few lazy effortless players mind you...

[Peter Gibbons]

Hurled abuse once or twice at a few lazy effortless players mind you...

Can understand this.  Can almost understand over exuberant (drunk) teenagers shouting abuse.  I find it odd though when there are seemingly sober, middle aged fans shouting and moaning constantly at every mistake.  I find a barely audible 'tut' perfectly adequate in such circumstances.

[horlock07]

Some sense at last.

Why aren't the Trust pushing these questions? No wonder they are seen as a laughing stock by many.

I don't recall anyone suggesting the Trust is a laughing stock... Some confusion regarding their objectives and approach but good they are speaking to the board. 

You are more than welcome to your opinion but in the absence of hard evidence I take your 'many' with a pinch of salt.

[sonicyouth]

Can understand this.  Can almost understand over exuberant (drunk) teenagers shouting abuse.  I find it odd though when there are seemingly sober, middle aged fans shouting and moaning constantly at every mistake.  I find a barely audible 'tut' perfectly adequate in such circumstances.

I find it even more odd that they continue to pay their money to be so miserable. Why can't they do that at home?

[Tails]

I haven't called for KMacs head and I've not hurled abuse at him but have questioned his choice of formation and tactics - so god knows which category you put me under...

The less retarded one.

You're still a miserable git though!

[dagrumpymunki]

Not at all. The aim of these meetings, surely, is clarity. So when asked who owns the club and the response is McCrory, it is not unreasonable to ask whether he is the sole shareholder, ask for proof of the ownership of the hold co, ask whether, regardless of whose names the shares are in, whether any further arrangements are in place to control executive decisions - i.e. What is the involvement of the various individuals who appear to have influence but no official role.

Instead, for the sake of keeping friendly, it appears that nobody is prepared to delve into the detail.

You're aware these are supposed to be informal relatively friendly meetings right? Not interrogations.

Because when you ask someone (who lets be honest is under no obligation whatsoever to even be in the room) a question and are given a fairly reasonable answer, to respond with "Liar! Prove it!" might be considered a bit rude.

[DV]

The less retarded one.

You're still a miserable git though!

Agreed on both accounts.

[Frigby Daser]

You're aware these are supposed to be informal relatively friendly meetings right? Not interrogations.

Because when you ask someone (who lets be honest is under no obligation whatsoever to even be in the room) a question and are given a fairly reasonable answer, to respond with "Liar! Prove it!" might be considered a bit rude.

I disagree. There is a line between aggressive interrogation and sensible, reasoned questioning. If there is an innocent answer, then it is in everybody's interests for it to be aired and no need to hide it. We've reason enough to ask the questions given the admission that King and Power are involved. I fully appreciate the will to keep lines of communication open, but not to the extent that we pander to Murrall and McCrory's wish not to disclose a shred of who is making decisions and what the motivation for their involvement is.

[horlock07]

I disagree. There is a line between aggressive interrogation and sensible, reasoned questioning. If there is an innocent answer, then it is in everybody's interests for it to be aired and no need to hide it. We've reason enough to ask the questions given the admission that King and Power are involved. I fully appreciate the will to keep lines of communication open, but not to the extent that we pander to Murrall and McCrory's wish not to disclose a shred of who is making decisions and what the motivation for their involvement is.

Has it been admitted that King and Power are 'involved' apart from Fredi? I know that Power is allegedly dealing with player contracts etc, but so was Spencer and I don't recall anyone demanding that the previous lot revealed the structure of their ownership and what his involvement was.

Yes the Trust could possibly be more proactive but equally all we have seen are bullet points of the meeting which if that is all that was discussed verbatim would suggest that the meeting lasted about 5 minutes (10 if biscuits were provided!), its a process of discussion which has started.

In what way have the Trust pandered to anything, without being at the meeting thats quite a leap to a conclusion don't you think?

Sadly I fear that the Trust are now being discredited by association for speaking to the bogeymen.

[Batch]

I think it was clear Spencer was an agent riding the gravy train. Hence no questions.

[Reg Smeeton]

I think it was clear Spencer was an agent riding the gravy train. Hence no questions.

I'd have liked to ask him.."Phil what exactly is a gravy train?"

[PetsWinPrizes]

No far from it mate, but there appears to be a shroud of secret boys club about it.

Certainly is putting people off getting involved

A secret boys club that lets anyone join for a fiver, and any member stand to be on the board?

[HexstaticSTFC]

No far from it mate, but there appears to be a shroud of secret boys club about it.

Certainly is putting people off getting involved

I'm new to the trust and its far from a secret boys club. Any member can join the board and as PWP pointed out, its only a fiver to join.

[derbystfc]

I'm new to the trust and its far from a secret boys club. Any member can join the board and as PWP pointed out, its only a fiver to join.

I really dont think you need to explain to fred what the trust is etc etc! Its never been the same since the days of Fred and PaulD