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« Reply #15 on: Tuesday, June 11, 2013, 20:36:39 »

I think that certain departments such as MI5/6 should have some access to whatever they need to do their job. I'm not quite sure how that should be regulated though.
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« Reply #16 on: Tuesday, June 11, 2013, 21:49:11 »

I think that certain departments such as MI5/6 should have some access to whatever they need to do their job. I'm not quite sure how that should be regulated though.

This is what I think. There's a huge difference between finding out if, say, you've pirated something, or you're claiming for £20 extra benefits you're not owed, compared with matters of national security like bomb plots and opposing agents attempting to damage the country.

Certain security services deserve to have access to anything and everything they need to protect us from exterior threats. I'd hope that this kind of power would be used selectively and sensibly by those involved, seeing as how they're our security/intelligence services, and not the insecurity/dumbarse services. I doubt an intelligence officer gives a fuck how much goat porn one bloke watches.

But then who watches the watchmen? And who watches the watchers of the watchmen? And who watches the watchers of the watchers of the watchmen? (And so on ad infinitum...)
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« Reply #17 on: Tuesday, June 11, 2013, 22:05:03 »

It's all a bit Orwellian isn't it?!
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« Reply #18 on: Tuesday, June 11, 2013, 22:18:08 »

It's all a bit Orwellian isn't it?!

There's always been the need for policing. We don't generally moan about Bobbies patrolling the streets or driver's licences to regulate road safety, for example. These could be considered intrusive or Orwellian but most of us don't because we see them as common sense.

The internet has changed things quite a bit though. It's thrown up a fair few legal and moral challenges to be faced but it does need to be policed somehow.
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« Reply #19 on: Tuesday, June 11, 2013, 22:22:48 »

There is a certain irony in the defense which essentially says "to protect your rights and freedoms we are going to infringe on/piss all over your rights and freedoms".
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« Reply #20 on: Tuesday, June 11, 2013, 22:27:14 »

There's always been the need for policing. We don't generally moan about Bobbies patrolling the streets or driver's licences to regulate road safety, for example. These could be considered intrusive or Orwellian but most of us don't because we see them as common sense.

The internet has changed things quite a bit though. It's thrown up a fair few legal and moral challenges to be faced but it does need to be policed somehow.

I just wouldn't trust the government with private information.

These people are human beings with agendas who have royally fucked up in the past.

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