BBC News: Swindon Town to halve playing budget for next season

[ron dodgers]

See, I heard from another player than Douglas was our top earner on 4.3k basic...

All Chinese whispers I expect.

this seems more reasonable

[Arriba]

4.3 basic plus add ons would be around what's been rumoured about more recent players. It's pretty clear that di canio gave out decent contracts to players he brought in.

[Iffy's Onion Bhaji]

4.3 basic plus add ons would be around what's been rumoured about more recent players. It's pretty clear that di canio gave out decent contracts to players he brought in.

Or Spencer did more like.

[RobertT]

Jeesh, Lumps was on one again.  Lumpy, unlike the socialist utopia you desire, the capitlist world we live in means that many people earn below the average, a few earn well above.  I didn't do any long studies into potential total squad sizes, length of contracts, loan vs perm signings etc.  I just took a good basic average fully paid up squad size for the season.  Using that, it is always fair to assume that someone in the organisation is on at least double that, and probably at the same level as those on or around the average (it is the same in all walks of life if you ever review the salary budgets of companies).  Individuals negotiate their own salaries and are generally encourage to keep them confidential for exactly the reasons you flippantly remark about - others finding out the variance and questioning it.  Now, you may not like that, but it is the way of our economy.

Either way, the point was very clearly being made that £4.5 is a lot of fucking money to spend on wages (either direct or to the Govt) when you only earn £5m ish in the financial year.  It is not sustainable, and a budget of £2.4m seems entirely reasonable when you work out the average pay that would come from that (be it 24, 30, 27.3456786 players on average).  Given other analysis provided it seems completely in line with the league average, which suggests a season at least of re-alignment, but not a doomsday scenario as some may paint.  At worst it is enough money to settle us into mid table.

[Posh Red]

Interesting that rumours suggested that Bristol City had a wage bill of almost £19m, although I read somewhere that O'Driscoll was told to get that down to around £10m for last season.

It has been suggested up here that Peterborough in comparison had a wage bill of around £5-£6m last season.


I'm guessing that both of those will have to seriously cut their wage bills next season, becasue unlike Wolves I don't believe they are going to be getting any form of parachute payments.

[fatbasher]

Swindon fan in piece here!

To understand the nitty gritty you need answers to pertinent questions such as.....

Did the past budget include the back room staff?
Did the past budget include PDC's wages?
Have the figures bandied about included players out on loan and players bought in on loan? Did these figures allow for how much we either got in the form of subsidies for incoming and how much we subsidised those going out...

My understanding from someone close to a player is that Ferry was the top earner BEFORE his increase on the years extension and that was £3k per week.

I know it has been reported that the increase would take him to £2.8 per week so either way I'd suggest that his minimum is £2-2.5k rising to £2.8 maybe three with the years extension.

In short it's a mine field and you need to be clear of the points in your posts to make others understand where you are coming from.

Everyone has an opinion on what a player is worth and is maybe based on their own personal income. My outlaws got by on minimal wages and invalidity payments until their retirement a good few years ago due to various reasons and scraped by in a council house, which they still live in. What their daughter and I earn seems a fortune, it's far from that but to them it is.

The bottom line is we don't have a wealthy benefactor to support us and have to live rather frugally now in comparison. The likes of Si Bhoy or whatever his popular street cred name is is a luxury we can't afford. Unless you want to pay £700 for a ST or £50 on the day.....

[FreddySTFC!]

See, I heard from another player than Douglas was our top earner on 4.3k basic...

All Chinese whispers I expect.

I remember being told around that time by a guy who sits in front of me in the DRS that O'Brien was on £240,000 a year, working out at over £4,500 p/w. Douglas was apparently on £8,000 p/w at Leeds so I'd be surprised if he dropped to £4,300 p/w with us!! I would safely guess that Roberts/McEveley are probably the highest earners we've got at the moment with the likes of Williams & Navarro not too far behind. & on the subject of Yeovil's seemingly tiny budget I'm sure Williams turned down £5,000 p/w in the summer to be the highest paid player in the clubs history or am I making that up??

[Arriba]

Add ons would considerably boost a 4.3 basic.

[dalumpimunki]

Jeesh, Lumps was on one again.  Lumpy, unlike the socialist utopia you desire, the capitlist world we live in means that many people earn below the average, a few earn well above.  I didn't do any long studies into potential total squad sizes, length of contracts, loan vs perm signings etc.  I just took a good basic average fully paid up squad size for the season.  Using that, it is always fair to assume that someone in the organisation is on at least double that, and probably at the same level as those on or around the average (it is the same in all walks of life if you ever review the salary budgets of companies).  Individuals negotiate their own salaries and are generally encourage to keep them confidential for exactly the reasons you flippantly remark about - others finding out the variance and questioning it.  Now, you may not like that, but it is the way of our economy.

So what you're saying is "I came up with a figure by incorrectly dividing the playing budget by a squad size that I just made up, and then just assumed for no good reason that someone in the squad would earn at least double that."

Fuck it I can't be arsed with the argument anymore ... you can all keep believing that we're somehow magically managing to pay players £8-10k a week, run with a squad of 30 odd players and 7-8 loans a season all for £4.5m a year. Fuck I hope none of you have control of budgets in your jobs.

[Nemo]

I know it's not a Stunner's World Cup year but this forum could really do with a few boobs to calm it down at the moment.

[sonicyouth]

I know it's not a Stunner's World Cup year but this forum could really do with a few boobs to calm it down at the moment.

this is a good idea

[RobertT]

Lumps, what point are you trying to make?

Mine was that spending £4.5m was a lot for this level and our income, and that £2.4m is still ample to get a squad together for this league that is competitive.

I can't figure out if you agree with that but just don't like ageering with anyone, or whether you think £4.5m was not enough?

Look, it's pretty simple.  We don't need to know the details, just that the wage budget for next season is ample to avoid the hysteria some may want to peddle that all is lost.

I would still wager good money that we have some players, not many, pushing the £200k+ salary mark.  The vast bulk of the squad would be on less than 1.5k a week.

[BruceChatwin]

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[sonicyouth]

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My tits are better than your boobies.

[herthab]

I know it's not a Stunner's World Cup year but this forum could really do with a few boobs to calm it down at the moment.

There's enough tits on here already